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Not a Children posted:What's the deal you signed? Is it due over time, or immediately? From what I've heard from someone else who has left, immediately. Glancing over the company document on education I didnt see the date it comes due but its probably there. Its actually a pay raise...it just takes 1.5 years to become so because of this big out of pocket up front expense. Its the "should I buy solar panels" problem but for a job...where the break even for the solar panels is 1.5 years and then you make money.
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Unless you're in your 50s and the time horizon for the rest of your career is hella short, it's a no brainer. Take the job with the ~$24k pay boost (unless I'm misunderstanding your break-even). You will be a happier person, I guarantee it or your money back* *I will not give you money but I'm still pretty confident in this
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Not a Children posted:Unless you're in your 50s and the time horizon for the rest of your career is hella short, it's a no brainer. Take the job with the ~$24k pay boost (unless I'm misunderstanding your break-even). You will be a happier person, I guarantee it or your money back* I'm under 30, appreciate the thought and its probably what I'll do.
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I am a better person after moving closer to work. 400hrs/yr is huge and will change your life. That's a new hobby, home reno, Etsy store, an extra beer or two every evening, etc.
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I've always calculated the commute cost as: (Approx hourly wage * hours worked)/(hours worked + round trip commute) Then I'd compare approximate hourly wages. You could probably do it yearly, too, but I'm someone who is thinking real short term all the time because I'm not established.
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Mar 23, 2018 20:41
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I vote take the job.
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So I'm working as a systems engineer less than a year out of college at a big company. Basically, my job is to write requirements and a test plan for new features for the software/hardware that our section is responsible for. I learn about the feature from the feature architects who get the requirements from the E2E. I've been told several times that I'm "over-engineering", "over-thinking" and/or "over-analyzing" the use cases for the features. The issue I'm running into is that I feel like the feature architects are operating on a different plane or set of data all the time - they are the ones talking to E2E and are the only ones that know how the customers will be using the new features, and then they don't tell me this new info, as if it's not something I'd need to ever worry about. But how am I supposed to restrict the kinds of use cases I come up with if I don't know how the customers will be using the features? A couple times I've even come up with use cases that the feature architects hadn't thought of and I'll suggest a solution but they just shut those ideas down with "I don't think we'll ever run into that use case so don't worry about it" or even worse "if I don't understand what you're saying then our overseas team definitely won't". And I mean, maybe they're right, but drat. And you know what happens later at the design reviews? I get asked questions about those specific use cases. "Oh your customers will probably never run into those situations so don't worry about them." I can't say that. I just end up looking dumb with "GOOD F-IN QUESTION. I HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT. LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT." /rant So, uhhh, yeah. Any advice for a new guy that keeps running into these situations? I'm not sure if I'm just being an idiot mishandling these situations, or I'm overstepping in my job duties, or if I should just stfu and deal with it. I like the company. I get paid well. I plan to be here for at least 5+ years. But it sucks to be shot down and made to feel like an idiot for (seemingly) no good reason.
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Mar 25, 2018 13:15
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End to end. They're the guys that work with all the other major sections to figure out which features are going to be implemented every couple months.
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Mar 25, 2018 14:18
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I would discuss it with your boss at your monthly 1-on-1 (if you have that). Bring specific examples. Approach it under the premise that you are not getting clear direction.
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Dangerous Mind posted:So I'm working as a systems engineer less than a year out of college at a big company. Basically, my job is to write requirements and a test plan for new features for the software/hardware that our section is responsible for. I learn about the feature from the feature architects who get the requirements from the E2E. I've been told several times that I'm "over-engineering", "over-thinking" and/or "over-analyzing" the use cases for the features. The issue I'm running into is that I feel like the feature architects are operating on a different plane or set of data all the time - they are the ones talking to E2E and are the only ones that know how the customers will be using the new features, and then they don't tell me this new info, as if it's not something I'd need to ever worry about. But how am I supposed to restrict the kinds of use cases I come up with if I don't know how the customers will be using the features? A couple times I've even come up with use cases that the feature architects hadn't thought of and I'll suggest a solution but they just shut those ideas down with "I don't think we'll ever run into that use case so don't worry about it" or even worse "if I don't understand what you're saying then our overseas team definitely won't". And I mean, maybe they're right, but drat. And you know what happens later at the design reviews? I get asked questions about those specific use cases. "Oh your customers will probably never run into those situations so don't worry about them." I can't say that. I just end up looking dumb with "GOOD F-IN QUESTION. I HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT. LET ME GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT." Murphy's law states that if you dont include that use case they will definitely exclusively want to use it that way and when you dont include it the blame will fall to you for the sub par software.
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There's also a clause in Murphy's Law that Systems is going to get hosed over no matter what. As a S/W engineer, I love my Systems engineering guys/gals but holy poo poo do they get screwed over by management at my work.
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Mar 26, 2018 14:45
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spwrozek posted:I vote take the job. I did. Start date is a while off, planning to give 1 month notice and wrap up the two big projects I have going to leave on good terms.
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Thoguh fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Aug 10, 2023 |
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Mar 28, 2018 16:52
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Ha, no, still pleasantly employed. For my next features I ended up just asking to see the HW/SW product unofficial documentation, so I can see the expected use cases as they're being written by the architect. Which is nice. I can't share it with anyone but it's nice that I'm trusted enough to just read it for myself. So now I can structure my test plan around that. Lots of time saved. I also created a nice looking excel spreadsheet where I document lots of different little things for each test plan I create, as well as each meeting I have per feature. It helps me with documenting changes and special requirements so I don't overlook anything. Dangerous Mind fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Mar 31, 2018 |
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Mar 31, 2018 20:14
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Also, I'll definitely see how things go over the next 6 months or so before I ever involve management. Literally every single person is 2-7 pay grades above me so it's not an issue worth fighting. I'll just stick with my spreadsheet for the foreseeable future. 
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I don’t know your position, but I wouldn’t hesitate before getting feedback from at least your first line supervisor. An organization that doesn’t encourage regular azimuth checks seems a bit defective.
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Hopefully i will recieve an offer tomorrow, in the exciting field of valve manufacturing. When i first heard about the opportunity from the recruiter i was pretty meh about it. Turns out valves and making them can actually (i hope but i think it will be) be intellectually stimulating. I wanted to go in to sexy aerospace foundry work, but it seems Like a good opportunity to develop some bad rear end high level heavy as gently caress industry skills.
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valves are pretty neat. I worked at a pneumatics manufacturer for awhile and it was cool technology. They made tons of valves of all sorts and also designed/assembled basically air powered PLCs for factories that can't/don't want any sort of voltage. There's also the manufacturing aspect of them that's pretty involved too, real big capital equipment stuff: multi barrel lathes, sorting equipment, etc. and the tolerances on everything can be pretty tight.
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Apr 6, 2018 00:47
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What would Data Engineering for the (Canadian) Department of National Defense be like? I've always been under the impression that it would be kind of dry?
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I'm taking a poll: what percentage pay bump have you received for promotions over the course of your careers? I'm thinking like "Engineer" to "Senior Engineer". Or "Engineer I" to "Engineer II", etc.
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spf3million posted:I'm taking a poll: what percentage pay bump have you received for promotions over the course of your careers? I'm thinking like "Engineer" to "Senior Engineer". Or "Engineer I" to "Engineer II", etc. My promotion to "associate engineer" at my current company netted a flat $2/hr (6%ish at the time). I got the same for my non-standard raises for acquiring important certifications (basically every time I got something that changed what I can list after my name on my card).
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spf3million posted:I'm taking a poll: what percentage pay bump have you received for promotions over the course of your careers? I'm thinking like "Engineer" to "Senior Engineer". Or "Engineer I" to "Engineer II", etc. 2 to 6% so far.
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Pander posted:2 to 6% so far. I got a 30% going from Engineer to Senior. But that was because I left my company I joined as a graduate. Then another 30% when I went back as an Engineer to another company. Oil’s weird. v0v
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spf3million posted:I'm taking a poll: what percentage pay bump have you received for promotions over the course of your careers? I'm thinking like "Engineer" to "Senior Engineer". Or "Engineer I" to "Engineer II", etc. Going from electronics engineer 2-> 3 was a 12% when combined with the yearly raise. Got a 20% raise going from a 3->3 by switching jobs.
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Went from Engineer to Senior while switching employers and locations and got a 50% bump.
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Thanks for all the replies. I didn't specify but I was mainly interested in promos within the same company. I'll add my data point: just got the offer for Eng -> Senior Eng for 6% more pay (chemical/process engineering). Little lower than what I was hoping for, we'll see if they're willing to play ball at the negotiating table tomorrow morning.
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Maybe not too informative to your situation but I got 10% going from Field Engineer B to Supervising Engineer. Probably a little bit of a lowball (for a brief period before a qualification-based raise kicked in, I had a direct report making more than me) but I’m also relatively young for the position. Plus the title is kind of a joke, the extra responsibilities are very minimal.
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20% engineer 1 to 2, changed companies 10% engineer 2 to 3, same company 10% engineer to manager, same company Bonus went from 0% to 8% to 10% to 15%
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spf3million posted:Thanks for all the replies. I didn't specify but I was mainly interested in promos within the same company. Eng -> Senior Eng for me was 17% after getting a 7% performance raise a few months prior. It was a good year.
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I gotta mention though if youre over penetrated 6% may be a great raise and if youre way underpaid a 12% raise won't help that.
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CarForumPoster posted:I gotta mention though if youre over penetrated 6% may be a great raise and if youre way underpaid a 12% raise won't help that. This is a good point. I was really high for my company as a level 3 engineer so my jump to management wasn't as good as "normal". But for 31 I really can't complain about my income and responsibility.
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Molybdenum posted:valves are pretty neat. I worked at a pneumatics manufacturer for awhile and it was cool technology. They made tons of valves of all sorts and also designed/assembled basically air powered PLCs for factories that can't/don't want any sort of voltage. Festo fuckin rules, 
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My bumps 1 -> 2 -> 3 were all 6% on top of my usual performance bonus. Still getting underpaid but the work/life balance is great and my coworkers are cool so whatever.
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I've only been promoted once (2 -> 3 on a typical 1-6 scale) and I received like 6% at the actual promo, but then I got a ~15% (5% ranking, 10% discretionary) at performance review because I was stuck in a rotational program for 2 years prior and they wanted to recognize my contributions better. And as other people mentioned, if it is a decent sized company everything is a loving bell curve, so if you were high in the prior level you may begin to overlap with the bottom tail of the new level and therefore on paper it is not much at first, but good performance would "accelerate" you towards the higher mean of the new level.
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8-10% on average. Engineer I - Engineer II - Engineer III....
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It's license renewal month here in NJ and I am getting cold-called by every single vendor of PDHs in the country
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Has anyone gotten involved in any position involving data management? Currently interviewing for a job in controls integration that also is trying to develop competency in “contextualizing data”. I’ve only been tangentially related to data systems and have no frame of reference on if it is an area worth considering. It makes me wary the same way IoT does in job descriptions.
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