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Calling this tragedy "one that hit's closer to home" than the thousands of native women in Canada being killed without anyone in a position of power even pretending to give a poo poo is pretty telling. It's pretty much a straight up admission that poor and/or nonwhite people genuinely do not matter at all, especially compared to rich white people. Not particularly surprising in itself, but it is funny to see people so clearly admit it.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:"I'm trying to not get cynical about what is a totally devastating tragedy but the maleness, the youthfulness and the whiteness of the victims are, of course, playing a significant role." Someone is very very mad about a woman having an opinion.
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ChairMaster posted:Calling this tragedy "one that hit's closer to home" than the thousands of native women in Canada being killed without anyone in a position of power even pretending to give a poo poo is pretty telling. It's pretty much a straight up admission that poor and/or nonwhite people genuinely do not matter at all, especially compared to rich white people. What is your smug, cynical rear end doing posting on the Something Awful forums instead of setting up a gofundme for First Nations communities, you stupid great moron?
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Apr 11, 2018 16:27
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ChairMaster posted:Calling this tragedy "one that hit's closer to home" than the thousands of native women in Canada being killed without anyone in a position of power even pretending to give a poo poo is pretty telling. It's pretty much a straight up admission that poor and/or nonwhite people genuinely do not matter at all, especially compared to rich white people. This is the best post you’ve ever made.
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Apr 11, 2018 16:27
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lol u mad
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Apr 11, 2018 16:28
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infernal machines posted:Someone is very very mad about a woman having an opinion. They should try what I do and never assume anybody's gender so they can just be mad at their opinion.
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Apr 11, 2018 16:47
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RBC posted:lol u mad Bold play, let's see if it pays off.
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Apr 11, 2018 16:47
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Postess with the Mostest posted:They should try what I do and never assume anybody's gender so they can just be mad at their opinion. This would work, except you used "she" instead of "they" in the OP E: Sorry, I should give you the benefit of the doubt, it wouldn't do to infer anything about the maleness of your posting. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Apr 11, 2018 16:49
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Wow people get more sad when bad things happen to people who are closer to their location, cultural identity and socio-economic status than to people further off, whoda thunk it. It's worth examining biases but feeling smug because the average person is more empathetic to people in closer social relation to them than others doesn't get you very far because that's probably something that's gonna hold for the rest of humanity's existence. Having Canada care about indigenous communities would be kinda nice tho.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:01
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by pointing it out when it happens it should force people to reflect on why they don't care so much about other awful things. it's not about feeling smug when people get mad about this, it's usually because they know it's true
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Apr 11, 2018 17:07
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"Now is not the time to discuss politics right after a tragedy."
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Apr 11, 2018 17:13
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I just can't wait for "The sweet hereafter 2: Sticks out"
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Apr 11, 2018 17:16
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I wouldn’t even mind if “equal” tragedies closer to home got more attention (yeah it’s lovely to rank tragedies). It bothers me more that broader local issues like MMIW (which have more tangible solutions than a bus crash) or overseas tragedies we are complicit in (and could conceivably work to stop, e.g. by not selling “trucks”) get far less attention or empathy.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:19
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CRISPYBABY posted:Wow people get more sad when bad things happen to people who are closer to their location, cultural identity and socio-economic status than to people further off, whoda thunk it. There have been plenty of well attended and effective social movements like the anti-apartheid folks or the protests against various colonial wars, maybe most notably Vietnam if we're talking in a North American context. These movements didn't necessarily represent the majority will but they spoke for large segments of the population and were composed of people who were willing to put item and energy and in some cases to risk their careers or bodies in the service of a cause largely or exclusively focused on the welfare of people who weren't like them. The fact contemporary society lacks any kind of empathy for foreigners, the poor or the various racialized groups of people (perhaps most conspicuously natives) who are quietly or not so quietly assumed to deserve their lovely lives is not the reflection of some timeless truth about human beings. It's a reflection or our lovely society and the politics and media that are the natural outgrowth of our lovely society. The rather blatant racism that leads us to treat different domestic tragedies very differently depending on who is effected is not some unchangeable biotruth that we can let ourselves off the hook for.
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overboard posted:I wouldn’t even mind if “equal” tragedies closer to home got more attention (yeah it’s lovely to rank tragedies). It bothers me more that broader local issues like MMIW (which have more tangible solutions than a bus crash) or overseas tragedies we are complicit in (and could conceivably work to stop, e.g. by not selling “trucks”) get far less attention or empathy. No, no. A bus crash has a far more tangible solution: the police can feel like heroes for doing something. In MMIWG the police have to accept they did something wrong and that is not tangible at all.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:26
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DariusLikewise posted:This is Nora Loretos full twitter post, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone saying "I wish all tragedies were treated the same way in this country" White people are so fragile they feel victimized when people suggest that other people treated equal to them Of course it's a tragedy. You'd be a moron not to think it's a tragedy. You'd be a moron to think Nora Loreto doesn't think it's a tragedy. It's not some kind of tragedy contest. You can feel bad about several things at once, trust me xtal fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Apr 11, 2018 17:27
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It's not a tragedy because I'm THAT goddamn annoying person with an English degree who still cares about the original meaning of tragedy.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:28
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Prescriptivists out
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Arivia posted:It's not a tragedy because I'm THAT goddamn annoying person with an English degree who still cares about the original meaning of tragedy. Don't doxx me
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Apr 11, 2018 17:46
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Plus people don't want to be called racists, even if it is a low-key unconscious racism. The likely answer is that most people are not aware of the horrible things that happen to people outside of their circle or lifestyle so they don't think about it. I like to think that most people on an individual level are nice to each other but group mentality and demographic isolation are the root causes for understated racism through ignorance.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:15
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I'd say taking that single tweet out of the context of the thread it was in also makes it seem worse than it actually was. If it was just that tweet, it's really tone-deaf even if it's not wrong, but in the context of all the other tweets before and after it, it makes total sense.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:24
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PT6A posted:I'd say taking that single tweet out of the context of the thread it was in also makes it seem worse than it actually was. If it was just that tweet, it's really tone-deaf even if it's not wrong, but in the context of all the other tweets before and after it, it makes total sense. Are you suggesting that some unnamed posters may have deliberately taken a statement out of context in order to justify an outraged response that would otherwise be inappropriate? That's very cynical of you.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:31
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infernal machines posted:Are you suggesting that some unnamed posters may have deliberately taken a statement out of context in order to justify an outraged response that would otherwise be inappropriate? Yes, I would say that happened. And I fell for it, I'll admit 
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Apr 11, 2018 18:31
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Well, regardless of the personal magnitude of this unfortunate event, it's heartening to see salt of the earth old-stock Canadians pulling their sticks out in solidarity.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:36
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Winnipeg is getting a fairly large urban reserve https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/ottawa-treaty-1-chiefs-sign-kapyong-deal-urban-reserve-planned-for-site-479415183.html quote:Through the smoke of burning sage and sweetgrass the future of the Kapyong Barracks site in south Winnipeg became a little clearer Wednesday morning.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:40
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Arcsquad12 posted:This isn't a case of whataboutism. It's about disproportionate displays of empathy towards tragedies. Nobody is saying that the Humboldt hockey vigil should not happen, they are looking at the factors involved that have made this tragedy such high profile while others go unnoticed. You're not seeing a massive fundraising campaign for that bus of dead schoolchildren that just died a few days ago overseas. This is exactly the issue, and it applies even to incidents within Canada. There was a van/truck crash in Hampstead, Ontario that killed 11 people in 2012, and there were no GoFundMe's or hashtag campaigns about that because the victims were migrant workers instead of white hockey players. Nora Loreto is absolutely correct.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:45
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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In the wake of the Parkland massacre, there was similar criticism aimed at the student activists and some of the media, basically that they're only getting a whole bunch of attention because they're rich and white. And then the student activists took the criticism to heart and at least tried, with varying degrees of success, to amplify the voices of PoC who had been working for the same causes, and they've been trying to draw more attention to the ways in which gun violence disproportionately affects communities of colour. It would be nice to see something similar happen in this case.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:49
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Well someone just died on the 401 today and the crash caused a huge pileup. Might as well start there.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:52
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I wonder if the Saskatchewan government will do anything about that intersection where the bus was hit. Early indications would be that the semi-driver was staring directly into the sun and was confused by the general layout of the intersection. It's also an incredibly dangerous intersection and something should have been done 10 years ago.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:56
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its a shame that the hilarious "Sticks Out For Humboldt" got upstaged by all that white fragility
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Apr 11, 2018 18:57
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DariusLikewise posted:Winnipeg is getting a fairly large urban reserve I feel like a very ugly side of this city is about to come front and centre in response to this and I’m not looking forward to it
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TheKingofSprings posted:I feel like a very ugly side of this city is about to come front and centre in response to this and I’m not looking forward to it I'm looking forward to it
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Apr 11, 2018 19:04
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Also talking about the differences between tragedies is laudable but also just a step above throwing more “thoughts and prayers” into the pile unless initiative is taken beyond that
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Apr 11, 2018 19:05
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littleorv posted:I'm looking forward to it You’re looking forward to Winnipeggers being racist shitheads about it?
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Apr 11, 2018 19:06
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TheKingofSprings posted:You’re looking forward to Winnipeggers being racist shitheads about it? Yes
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Apr 11, 2018 19:08
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Someone at the Free Press already deleted the comment but I had it copied already I hope this doesn't get delayed, urban reverses have excellent outcomes and are great for community building
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Apr 11, 2018 19:14
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PT6A posted:What is your smug, cynical rear end doing posting on the Something Awful forums instead of setting up a gofundme for First Nations communities, you stupid great moron? "If poor people want anything done to help the victims that nobody gives a poo poo about because they're not rich and white, they should just raise millions of dollars to fix their problems, it's not my fault they're too stupid to realize what a simple solution it is!" Canada in a nutshell, I guess. I wonder how many rich people even understand that being poor means you have no money?
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ChairMaster posted:"If poor people want anything done to help the victims that nobody gives a poo poo about because they're not rich and white, they should just raise millions of dollars to fix their problems, it's not my fault they're too stupid to realize what a simple solution it is!" No, seriously, why not pick a specific First Nations community that has significant problems and a chronic lack of funding, and start a GoFundMe to help them address to those problems? That doesn't cost you money. You don't have to be rich. Spread the word far and wide on social media, friend. Spend not a second more of your time posting on this dead gay forum until you've reached your goal.
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Apr 11, 2018 19:19
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Pls give my reserve money tyia
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littleorv posted:Pls give my reserve money tyia Let's actually do this. Is there a more effective way than GoFundMe to get started? Is there one already set up?
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