[Mideast + Africa] Getting rid of Bongo- but at what Brice?

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Best Friends: Nov 4, 2011

cargo cult posted:

realism neorealism post structuralist? not that i know what much of that poo poo means

also ill say Tucker Carlsons been the most vocal about being skeptical about the trump-russia stuff which is another position he seems to share with socialists and communists

far right wingers like Russia now because it�s run by a far right strongman

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GoluboiOgon: Aug 19, 2017; by Nyc_Tattoo

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

oh yeah well i think the chemical warfare denialists are trying to square a contradiction. first of all, they (a) don't believe the U.S. should go to war in syria, at least more than it already has, and they also (b) accept the view that using chemical weapons is verboten and would perhaps justify an intervention. so there's some cognitive dissonance there that resolves itself by concocting these false-flag stories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUyrgEtzbvM

what if i say that assad used chemical weapons but i don't think the U.S. should intervene? 'my god! then you accept children being gassed!' no, i don't think a U.S. attack will make it better. the germans rolled out chemical weapons in 1915 and the fact of their use didn't justify U.S. intervention then -- and there were all sorts of atrocity stories used to justify that war, many of them true i'm sure. was the U.S. entry into World War I a good idea, in retrospect?

it's kind of ghastly thing to say which is why you won't see it on the op-ed pages. but that's me being honest with myself.

the idea of chemical weapons being a red line is extremely arbitrary. the us has used chemical weapons (napalm, white phosphorous, agent orange) on civilian populations quite frequently since vietnam, and nobody has tried to ground our airforce to prevent further attacks on civilians. most nations routinely use chemical weapons (tear gas) on their own civilians. how is this legal? the us has had a huge hand in writing and interpreting these treaties, so incendiary weapons are considered distinct from war-gasses like chlorine, despite the fact that both chlorine and white phosphorous create toxic fumes that burn people's lungs from the inside. tear-gas manufacturers were able to insert a passage into the league of nations anti-chemical weapon resolution that explicitly allowed for the use of irritant gasses against civilians, but not soldiers. calling for a preemptive strike on assad for killing a few dozen people in an illegal manner while we aid our saudi allies in starving tens of thousands of people in yemen is pure legalistic hypocrisy.

also, US entry into WWI was purely about protecting the investments of US war profiteers and was a terrible idea that stoked decades of white nationalism both in the US and abroad. the allies and the entente both used chemical weapons extensively, so the war propaganda in the us focused more on unrestricted submarine warfare, which violated the rules of warfare at the time. it is worth noting that the germans were forced into this measure due to the british creating Q ships (warships masquerading as civilian shipping that attacked german subs when they attempted to evacuate the crew safely), which also was a violation of the rules of warfare, but the british propaganda that flooded the US omitted this. the idea of "international law" has nothing to do with protecting people's lives, but is entirely about protecting the interests of dominant nations and classes.

# ? Apr 11, 2018 08:43

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 27 days!)

I'd rather be one of the gassed people in Ghouta than an emaciated, dysentery-ridden Yemeni child dying in their own filth.

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paul_soccer10: Mar 28, 2016; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

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Prav: Oct 29, 2011

420 Gank Mid posted:

Putin protect his small Assad son

look at that loving horse

god drat amazing

# ? Apr 11, 2018 12:15

Grand Theft Autobot: Feb 28, 2008; I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

GoluboiOgon posted:

...law has nothing to do with protecting people's lives, but is entirely about protecting the interests of dominant... classes.

Ftfy

# ? Apr 11, 2018 12:49

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Best Friends posted:

far right wingers like Russia now because it�s run by a far right strongman

Except in eastern europe where their far right wing governments hate russia

# ? Apr 11, 2018 12:56

Bulgogi Hoagie: Jun 1, 2012; We

so did posters itt tick off all these yet or is there one or two left standing, still

https://twitter.com/luke_j_obrien/status/984035209019523074

# ? Apr 11, 2018 13:01

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Bulgogi Hoagie posted:

so did posters itt tick off all these yet or is there one or two left standing, still

https://twitter.com/luke_j_obrien/status/984035209019523074

It was all of us

# ? Apr 11, 2018 14:01

Pener Kropoopkin: Jan 30, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
(and can't post for 27 days!)

https://twitter.com/1marchella/status/983099132515565574?s=21

show your faces, cowards

# ? Apr 11, 2018 14:56

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

cargo cult posted:

i just dont get why everyones at least performatively convinced that This Is The BIg One. trump tweeting about his bigger and better working button was at least as volatile and nothing came of that either. to say nothing of the fact that nothing happened after we kind of blew up that syrian runway either. whatever i guess

because Trump is the reality TV president, and one of his few skills is getting people real hyped for a bunch of dumb bullshit that turns out to be absolutely nothing

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Darkman Fanpage: Jul 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/984022625440747520?s=21

hello

# ? Apr 11, 2018 15:50

A Gnarlacious Bro: Apr 25, 2007; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Bashar Al Assad the Gas Killing Animal from Parts Unknown

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

really queer Christmas posted:

how the gently caress is tucker Carlson the voice of loving reason

this is probably what chomsky means by the irony of conservative media generally being allowed more journalistic freedom while liberal media (e.g. NPR) is more tightly controlled

# ? Apr 11, 2018 16:07

Jewel Repetition: Dec 24, 2012; Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

comedyblissoption posted:

this is probably what chomsky means by the irony of conservative media generally being allowed more journalistic freedom while liberal media (e.g. NPR) is more tightly controlled

Never knew he said that but it feels true

# ? Apr 11, 2018 16:23

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

chomsky discusses it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXh1_ubCQAI

# ? Apr 11, 2018 17:32

Alpha Mayo: Jan 15, 2007; hi how are you?
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The only reason Tucker Carlson is against invasion is because he is part of the alt-right (((globalist conspiracy))) Alex Jones crowd. They honestly believed that Trump is some Illuminati-destroying Hero, and are now feeling betrayed by him as they realize that no, he is just a shithead who loves neoconservatism (something they should have realized by his cabinet and VP picks).

# ? Apr 11, 2018 17:46

viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Bip Roberts posted:

Reason is being anti-war, which he isn't. Irrationality is denying that Assad dropped the gas despite contrary evidence.

...where is this evidence?

# ? Apr 11, 2018 17:58

viral spiral: Sep 19, 2017; by R. Guyovich

Main Paineframe posted:

because Trump is the reality TV president, and one of his few skills is getting people real hyped for a bunch of dumb bullshit that turns out to be absolutely nothing

The IC is even better than him at this.

# ? Apr 11, 2018 18:01

GWBBQ: Jan 2, 2005

viral spiral posted:

...where is this evidence?

This references reports from aircraft spotters and correlates videos of the recent attack with locations as well as comparing the chlorine tank dropped to ones previously used.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2018/04/11/open-source-survey-alleged-chemical-attacks-douma-7th-april-2018/

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