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Honestly, what even happened in that battle? Yeah, most modern day analyses put Iowa as likely beating Yamato, but not by some country mile or anything. This battle was 7 battleships vs. 2, or 4 vs. 1 if you want to disregard all the 14" gun battleships, along with significantly more smaller ships. And, going by shell hits, virtually everything was firing at Iowa to the exclusion of all else. So how the hell did Iowa manage to sink or cripple 3 ships, and massively damage virtually everything other battleship, in the time it took for an entire fleet shooting her to even render her combat ineffective? Were some of the battleships legitimately out of ammunition, as Grey seemingly jokingly mentioned in regards to the transport fleets being used to absorb ammo? Radar-controlled gunnery is great, but this was a day battle where optical gunnery shouldn't have been terribly difficult either. And Grey's ships should have had a heavy experience edge as well, given how fresh Iowa is as opposed to how much Grey's been using his battleships.
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She isn't sunk, she's simply taking the fight to the GIs that have been insidiously attempting to hold territory on the ocean floor 
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:She isn't sunk, she's simply taking the fight to the GIs that have been insidiously attempting to hold territory on the ocean floor she's been lend-leased to the deep ones.
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Lord Koth posted:Honestly, what even happened in that battle? Yeah, most modern day analyses put Iowa as likely beating Yamato, but not by some country mile or anything. This battle was 7 battleships vs. 2, or 4 vs. 1 if you want to disregard all the 14" gun battleships, along with significantly more smaller ships. And, going by shell hits, virtually everything was firing at Iowa to the exclusion of all else. Best explanation I can come up with is indeed that most of the IJN BBs were out of ammo for their primaries and didn't contribute much.
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Lord Koth posted:Honestly, what even happened in that battle? Yeah, most modern day analyses put Iowa as likely beating Yamato, but not by some country mile or anything. This battle was 7 battleships vs. 2, or 4 vs. 1 if you want to disregard all the 14" gun battleships, along with significantly more smaller ships. And, going by shell hits, virtually everything was firing at Iowa to the exclusion of all else. I don't know how detailed the game's naval combat mechanism is, but afaik it's entirely possible for the Iowa to have landed a large number of radar-directed hits before the Japanese were even able to fire with purely optical guidance, potentially doing something like knocking Musashi out of effective combat before the Japanese have fired a single shot.
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Even in the daytime radar fire control loving rules poo poo edit: I can't find it but there used to be a thing online that showed how difficult it is to use a co-incidence rangefinder from a fire control position in a battleship. radar you just turn the loving thing on and you lay the guns, and it'll keep a firing solution while you maneuver wildly. optics are not so easy to use. KYOON GRIFFEY JR fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Magni posted:Best explanation I can come up with is indeed that most of the IJN BBs were out of ammo for their primaries and didn't contribute much. Almost certainly the Yamato and Musashi we’re out of ammo. They have less than most battleships. It also wouldn’t be surprising at all if they didn’t have any to start with, those 18” guns take more naval support and a larger port to reload than the smaller ships.
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My money is on the battleships being really low on ammo. If Grey only left them at Rabaul for one day, it seems very unlikely to me that a force that large could fully rearm.
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Bold Robot posted:My money is on the battleships being really low on ammo. If Grey only left them at Rabaul for one day, it seems very unlikely to me that a force that large could fully rearm. This and the fact that the enemy fleet sacrificed their transports to use up the battleships ammo, even if we did lose the Musashi the commander of that US fleet, if he is still alive, would have to be dishonorably discharged for that screw up.
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   We're going through a phase of allied competency.  We see a Helen suicide run.  We pay a heavy price in planes and skilled pilots (bottom left) – but we sink two more allied ships.   Mostly today is 20 versions of this. Dull as ditchwater.   I need time to repair and rearm – will the Allies give me this?  We're still able to do some damage though!
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Apr 12, 2018 04:44
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koolkevz666 posted:This and the fact that the enemy fleet sacrificed their transports to use up the battleships ammo, even if we did lose the Musashi the commander of that US fleet, if he is still alive, would have to be dishonorably discharged for that screw up. It was all a ruse! The cargo ships were empty and used as bait!
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Apr 12, 2018 05:02
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They were crewed by Pacific Fleet planners eager to wipe the shame of their previous failures.
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Grey Hunter posted:
Yeah, 10 zeros, 6 jills and 2 helens (18 VPs total) of aircraft losses to sink 18 VPs of allied shipping. 
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Do we have any estimates on how many American sailors/troops/personnel have died at sea at this point in our timeline vs. reality? It feels like we are far, far above historical numbers even with our anemic air power from the sheer number of loaded transports and capital ships we've sunk
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Apr 12, 2018 15:26
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It's hard to say, as you only get casualties. Which include wounded.
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It doesn't seem like sailors are tracked at all, just pilots and troops.
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Apr 12, 2018 16:00
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Are all vps equal? For example is it fine to trade 18 points of airframe for 18 pts of ships/bases?
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Apr 12, 2018 16:03
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Japan desperately needs its planes more than American desperately needs a destroyer and a cargo ship. Also, the VPs don't track the lost Japanese pilots.
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Donkringel posted:Are all vps equal? For example is it fine to trade 18 points of airframe for 18 pts of ships/bases? As far as triggering the autovictory is concerned, yes.
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11 April 1944 USS Redfin sinks the destroyer Akigumo in the Philippines. Across the world, destroyer escort USS Holder is crippled by German aircraft and never repaired.
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gradenko_2000 posted:As far as triggering the autovictory is concerned, yes. Yes but also no If GH is looking to double the Allied score, and is ahead, every 18 points the Allies lose are worth 9 points to him in losses. Another way of looking at it is that if he loses 18, the allies have to lose 36
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simplefish posted:Yes but also no A bit more, because he's still trying to hit the point where he only needs to break even. My guess, without really knowing the game, is that the 1945 victory is gonna come down to him getting lucky and steamrolling the lack China pocket while stemming the bleeding in the pacific. So basically up to RNG and AI fuckery.
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Good point, although when talking about parity it's double. But while his score is less than double, he needs better than parity to get there
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I'd love to see what crazy ideas naval architects can come up with postwar, as we've proven that the Battleship is still Queen of the ocean. And the Aircraft Carrier should play a supporting role.
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Aircraft carriers have proven their utility in spotting naval targets and attacking undefended transports, but the idea that naval aviation will play a decisive role in naval combat is simply laughable!
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sparkmaster posted:I'd love to see what crazy ideas naval architects can come up with postwar, as we've proven that the Battleship is still Queen of the ocean. And the Aircraft Carrier should play a supporting role. bigger battleships. No, BIGGER battleships
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gradenko_2000 posted:bigger battleships. Man I can't wait for our in-house Let's Play of Rule the Waves 2 once it's out. 
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  This is a perfect example of Japanese torpedo doctrine. This won't be a sole destroyer wandering around, but it's an escort being targetted above the interesting stuff.  We flak up some Mitchalls.  drat your effective planes and well trained pilots!  We get it, you have lots of good fighters. Showoffs.  Bring on the Liberators!  That's it!  The Helens shock me by getting a hit.  A Jill strike gets turned back.  Another day another huge loss of planes.
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Apr 13, 2018 04:51
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I fear we may be losing the air war.
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Apr 13, 2018 04:59
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TehKeen posted:Man I can't wait for our in-house Let's Play of Rule the Waves 2 once it's out. What is the status of RTW2 by chance? I loved the first and hoped a second would come out!
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All I've seen is that it's being worked on but details are pretty nebulous. edit: apparently by the end of this year! Maybe even a discount for owners of RtW1! TehKeen fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Apr 13, 2018 05:09
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jaegerx posted:I fear we may be losing the air war. Is there a way to peek at the Allies top aces list ? It seems like the same Spitfire and Lightning squadron have been rampaging around Rabaul for months now.
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CeeJee posted:Is there a way to peek at the Allies top aces list ? It seems like the same Spitfire and Lightning squadron have been rampaging around Rabaul for months now. I bet it’s that badass Canadian. What was his name? Died in Israel as I recall.
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gradenko_2000 posted:bigger battleships. A nuclear powered, 110,000 ton, 1,100 foot long battleship. It would be a thing of beauty.
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habeasdorkus posted:A nuclear powered, 110,000 ton, 1,100 foot long battleship. It would be a thing of beauty. If it could fly I may find myself unable to love human beings
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jaegerx posted:I bet it’s that badass Canadian. What was his name? Died in Israel as I recall. George Beurling.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:47
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Y'know, at least Musashi went out harder than she did in real life.
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Can you send the savefile to someone in this thread that can then open it as the allies and have a peak? Mainly at casualties and aces.
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TehKeen posted:Man I can't wait for our in-house Let's Play of Rule the Waves 2 once it's out. I'll definitely be doing this!
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Oh hey look the navy's army is gonna get some exercise in Rabaul and Gasmata soon (at least if those land units shown in only one of todays update images are actually there)
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