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Okay it's the right combination of words, it just not the order (or the story) i was expecting: Grace Mugabe's farm invaded by Zimbabwe gold diggers quote:Illegal workers have invaded the farm of former Zimbabwean first lady Grace Mugabe to mine for gold.
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Is the SA govt doing anything to help the Cape Town drought crisis?
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Apr 7, 2018 17:38
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Grouchio posted:Is the SA govt doing anything to help the Cape Town drought crisis? We're too busy trying to keep Lowtax alive, sorry
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Apr 7, 2018 20:59
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GreyjoyBastard posted:We're too busy trying to keep Lowtax alive, sorry
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Apr 7, 2018 21:26
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Lead out in cuffs posted:So I actually had this in the back of my mind, and thought it might make a good educational opportunity: The EFF subscribe to a Falinist-Leninist philosophy, meaning violent revolution to full communism with a side of decolonisation. It's pretty obvious that what Malema was talking about in that speech was that they are holding back and participating in the democratic process right now, but that they were reserving the option of revolution in future. Given that 75% of agricultural land is owned by white people, it would be against the EFFs own mandate to say anything else. do you mean fanonist?
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Apr 8, 2018 00:30
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R. Guyovich posted:do you mean fanonist? Yes. Argh. Gonna edit that into the post. E: EFF Constitution posted:The EFF subscribes to the Marxist-Leninist and Fanonian schools of thought on its analysis of the State, https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/35f96d_3829645aeddf4faf8a6765964a5da15e.pdf Lead out in cuffs fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Apr 9, 2018 21:42
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Lead out in cuffs posted:https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/35f96d_3829645aeddf4faf8a6765964a5da15e.pdf quote:The basic programme of the EFF is the complete overthrow of the neo liberal anti-black state as well as the bourgeoisie and all other exploiting classes; the establishment of the dictatorship of the people in place of the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and the triumph of socialism over capitalism. The ultimate aim of the EFF is the realisation of socialism through people’s power and the establishment of a state that responds to the needs of its people.
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Apr 10, 2018 07:38
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R. Guyovich posted:seems pretty badass to me. Good party.
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Apr 10, 2018 07:43
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R. Guyovich posted:seems pretty badass to me. For sure. As I said, I have misgivings about Julius Malema in person, but am pretty happy to have the party be a feature in the political landscape. Also their stunt of wearing bright red overalls and hard hats to parliament (until the ANC used their majority to force them to wear shirts in the name of  ) was pretty great.And yeah, the (largely liberal-leaning) press loving hates them.
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Apr 10, 2018 09:00
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Lead out in cuffs posted:For sure. he's said some *tugs collar* things in the past (not singing shoot the boer, that ruled) but it's not a stretch to think the guy who was called the next leader of south africa by the anc only to get drummed out a few years later over being mean to white people took a genuinely more radical turn
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Apr 10, 2018 09:05
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punk rebel ecks posted:Good party.
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Apr 10, 2018 19:33
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Grouchio posted:Malema wants to commit genocide, jackass. Malema is an Africanist communist who is really good at trolling fragile white people. And you should lay off consuming the white nationalist bullshit. It has health impacts over time.
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Apr 10, 2018 21:10
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Actually this is something I was mulling over: there's definitely been a trend in South African politics of younger black politicians making statements that will have black people nodding their heads knowingly while utterly inflaming white people. And the fervent displays of white fragility which follow only serve to reinforce their point. Malema is an obvious example with "we are going to cut the throat of whiteness". A whole lot of fragile white people read that and interpret that as a threat of physical violence, when really it's talking about deconstructing this:. quote:Racism is based on the concept of whiteness--a powerful fiction enforced by power and violence. Whiteness is a constantly shifting boundary separating those who are entitled to have certain privileges from those whose exploitation and vulnerability to violence is justified by their not being white So when a bunch of people scream that he's being racist, he can stand back and say "there it is", and his supporters, many of whom are subjected to actual racism on a regular basis, can go "yep, that is a whole lot of fragile white people throwing their whiteness and privilege around". Another case in point was the "#sciencemustfall" meme. A group of UCT science students held a symposium to discuss decolonising science. A non-scientist member of the Students' Representative Council also attended, and raised a point about a part of the country where people believe in using witchcraft to send lightning to strike people down. This caused a white manchild in the audience to yell out "it's not true!", immediately proving her point about white scientists dictating to black people about their beliefs. (Cue a whole lot of laughter as the black people in attendance go "yep, there it is"). Then, the moderator pointed out that yelling things out of place wasn't in agreement with the way they agreed to run the meeting and got the white dude to apologise. Then, the SRC rep went on about Western Modernity and decolonisation, using the dudes outburst as her case in point. (And then the symposium, which was about three hours long, continued, and went into discussions that ranged from African scientists both ancient and modern, to mundane issues like the automatic soap dispensers in the university bathrooms that only worked with white people's skin). Afterward, a guy who filmed the whole thing posted the excerpt, and a whole lot of fragile white people who completely missed the point spread it all over the internet as a meme, claiming it was an attack on science. "They don't believe in Newton! They believe in lightning striking people down! How dare they silence this good, white dudebro who is just protecting science." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14 And again, the point was proven. I mean, it's even in the comments under that video, which range from people completely missing the point to a bunch of actual Nazism (pepes and "14/88"). What a lot of (liberal, not consciously racist) white South Africans just don't seem to get is that holding the reins of economic power as 10% of the electorate isn't a tenable political situation. And the newer generation of black politicians very much do get that, and the result is that they're limiting their engagement with white people to trolling them into proving their point to the black majority.
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I think you're mentally ill. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cream posted:I think you're mentally ill.  Really. Do you have a mindful critique that isn't just a  one-liner?
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Apr 11, 2018 22:13
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Lead out in cuffs posted:
well you're minimizing and excusing violent rhetoric from a political leader directed at a political group because you think they deserve it and that it's funny. You don't really deserve much more of a response than that.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:23
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awesmoe posted:well you're minimizing and excusing violent rhetoric from a political leader directed at a political group because you think they deserve it and that it's funny. You don't really deserve much more of a response than that.
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Its all very well trying to read subtle nuances into Malema's speeches while decontextualising them but not everyone has had the privilege of a higher education in oratory, philosophy and/or political science. There are plenty of Malema's followers in South Africa who think him singing "KILL THE BOER" is actually encouragement for them to do just that - to kill boers. A redistributive economic program is worthwhile, and is something that should be far more widely debated. But encouraging literal genocide is wildly irresponsible behaviour from a leading politician. Most people take words at face value when they hear them. SA needs politicians who will focus on reducing the gaps between the wealthy and the poor - regardless of the races involved. Rich people of all races should pay more tax, poor people of all races should get more assistance. Inflammatory racial rhetoric just serves to distract from the economic issues, even aside from the moral and criminal issues it may raise.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:49
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Yeah, it's just a political leader innocently evoking violent imagery towards a minority group. Nothing bad has ever come of that, it's harmless, really.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:50
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Blut posted:SA needs politicians who will focus on reducing the gaps between the wealthy and the poor - regardless of the races involved. Rich people of all races should pay more tax, poor people of all races should get more assistance. Inflammatory racial rhetoric just serves to distract from the economic issues, even aside from the moral and criminal issues it may raise.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:54
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R. Mute posted:He's contextualising that rhetoric and explaining that it only appears violent to white people who only hear it in its decontextualised form, you dink.
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Apr 11, 2018 22:58
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R. Mute posted:It's kind of hard, if not impossible, to separate race and class in South Africa of all places. No, its really not. Almost 25% of South Africa has a "stable middle class or above" income. The white population of SA is 9%. That means there are far more black and coloured people of middle and upper income than white people these days, quantitatively. The main reason there hasn't been any major economic evolution in South Africa since 1995 is because enough of a black and coloured middle and upper class has emerged to have an interest in defending the economic status quo. If the only upper class people were white they would have had far less lasting power.
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Blut posted:No, its really not. Almost 25% of South Africa has a "stable middle class or above" income. The white population of SA is 9%. That means there are far more black and coloured people of middle and upper income than white people these days, quantitatively.
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Struggle songs are a bit of dodgy area, your dealing with long standing anthems forged in the furnace of armed resistance that served as cultural significant totems and asking people to abandon them wholesale is a bit tin eared. I think Juju did use them as cover for provocation in his famous case - but at the same time the liberal tetchiness over Umshini wami is p silly. Wasn't that long ago that the traditional graveside tune Hamba Kahle Mkhonto we Sizwe, which contains lyrics about "killing the Boer", provoked outrage when it was sung - the fact you could point to footage of white people like Slovo and Kasrils singing it recognising it's sentiment as a commitment to the destruction of white minority rule falling on deaf ears because they weren't (((the right sort of whites))). And then you have the people who get outraged over thina loving sizwe as a violent provocation to rise up and expel the whites and those people can get well hosed
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awesmoe posted:that's how he's minimizing it, yes "minimizing" is an extreme choice of word (in the literal sense), and I don't think means what you are trying to say. bango skank posted:Yeah, it's just a political leader innocently evoking violent imagery towards a minority group. Nothing bad has ever come of that, it's harmless, really. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8AEwiDRYf8 Blut posted:No, its really not. Almost 25% of South Africa has a "stable middle class or above" income. The white population of SA is 9%. That means there are far more black and coloured people of middle and upper income than white people these days, quantitatively. The average income of white South Africans is still five times that of black South Africans. The diversification of the middle class doesn't distract from the fact that the vast majority of the working and jobless poor are black, or that class warfare is heavily racialised in the South African context. Blut posted:Its all very well trying to read subtle nuances into Malema's speeches while decontextualising them but not everyone has had the privilege of a higher education in oratory, philosophy and/or political science. There are plenty of Malema's followers in South Africa who think him singing "KILL THE BOER" is actually encouragement for them to do just that - to kill boers. Here's a speech he made a month ago: Julius Malema, addressing an EFF crowd posted:We don't subscribe to violence. We don't subscribe to brutality. We subscribe to the exercising of our political freedom and we stretch it to the limit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z5c2-Wh8KY That is pretty unambiguous. quote:A redistributive economic program is worthwhile, and is something that should be far more widely debated. But encouraging literal genocide is wildly irresponsible behaviour from a leading politician. Most people take words at face value when they hear them. I mean, this is the liberal point of view, that a little more taxes and social safety net will be enough. But you ignore the political spectrum to the left of you at your peril.
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This looks like we could get a repeat of 2014.  https://www.google.co.kr/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/18/more-ebola-cases-confirmed-in-congolese-city-of-mbandaka
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW_xEqCWrm0 pro-click
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Wow that’s great.
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What is really going on with Abiy Ahmed? There's no way he's actually this good.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:What is really going on with Abiy Ahmed? There's no way he's actually this good.
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I've learned not to get hopeful about things in Africa, so the combination of reforms in Ethiopia, the Ethiopia-Eritrea detente, and the South Sudan peace talks he's hosting is disorienting.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I've learned not to get hopeful about things in Africa, so the combination of reforms in Ethiopia, the Ethiopia-Eritrea detente, and the South Sudan peace talks he's hosting is disorienting.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:What is really going on with Abiy Ahmed? There's no way he's actually this good. The down side is he's talking about privatization of state owned enterprises and opening up to foreign investment, which could disrupt the fairly successful industrial policy they have going on.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:What is really going on with Abiy Ahmed? There's no way he's actually this good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_8X8tbjqjg
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Deadly explosion hits Ethiopia PM rally. "Mr Abiy was whisked away immediately after the blast, thought to be from a grenade thrown amid thousands of people in the capital's Meskel Square." Yeah, what a surprise.
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Toplowtech posted:Deadly explosion hits Ethiopia PM rally. It's a two for one Saturday https://twitter.com/AshakaSaleh/status/1010551405797629952?s=19
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kustomkarkommando posted:It's a two for one Saturday Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Jun 23, 2018 |
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:I've learned not to get hopeful about things in Africa, so the combination of reforms in Ethiopia, the Ethiopia-Eritrea detente, and the South Sudan peace talks he's hosting is disorienting.
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ANYTHING YOU SOW posted:The down side is he's talking about privatization of state owned enterprises and opening up to foreign investment, which could disrupt the fairly successful industrial policy they have going on.
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