trying to capture likeness with a grid I think if I hadn't smashed her chin in, it would look a good deal like her. I also got the bridge of the nose all wrong which in turn ruined her right eye. Hard to see these things in the thick of it.
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MTV Crib Death posted:trying to capture likeness with a grid To my eye it’s not the chin, it’s the distance/curve from her brow to the tip of her nose. As mentioned above, add another set of blocks to your grid. Is the drawing digital or on paper?
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Apr 11, 2018 20:38
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Al! posted:did this one for a trade in kind deal: i'm making them gifs they can use in their youtube music videos and they're trading loops i can use in an adventure game. I am extremely excited to hear you’re working on an adventure game (maybe?). Promise to post here when it’s out? Re the human form; I like the shading/detail on the spine, is the white angle on the right side of the head a nose or an ear?
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Theokotos posted:To my eye it’s not the chin, it’s the distance/curve from her brow to the tip of her nose. As mentioned above, add another set of blocks to your grid. Is the drawing digital or on paper? Yeah I can see that problem now too. I'm working on paper.
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MTV Crib Death posted:I think if I hadn't smashed her chin in, it would look a good deal like her. I also got the bridge of the nose all wrong which in turn ruined her right eye. Hard to see these things in the thick of it. Try lining up the edge of your pencil horizontally and vertically with points on the edges of the features so you can see where things should be lining up. That would help you spot things like where the edge of the nostril is relative to the edge of the mouth and far eyebrow without having to use a smaller grid (unless you wanted to). Even with a grid sometimes I find it really easy to get too focused on making stuff look good in isolation, but what you want is for everything to work together, and I find that technique really helps when I remember to do it. Also, you can figure out some guidelines early on if you line up the edge of your pencil along the edge of straight-ish area like the edge of the forehead and see where the line would intersect along the grid if it kept going straight, which could help with angles and stuff. You can also simplify complicated stuff like the edge of the eyebrow to the chin or the edges of the hair into one guideline and kinda work with it from there.
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MTV Crib Death posted:trying to capture likeness with a grid If you want to see where things aren't lining up between the reference and the photo, just put the photo at around 20% opacity above your drawing layer and then resize it to fit the drawing. You'll see where the problems are pretty quickly. How much construction/underdrawing are you doing before you start committing to the facial features? The way certain objects are out of proportion, which then push other objects out of proportion, and so on, would lead me to believe that you aren't spending a lot of time blocking in the proportions for the different areas before you start going to town on the fine lines and details.
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Theokotos posted:I am extremely excited to hear you’re working on an adventure game (maybe?). Promise to post here when it’s out? it kind of...... doesn't have a head in the original drawing lol....... i think next time i'll at least sketch out the shape of the head even if there's just going to be hair covering it. it resolves a lot better in the revision i posted however.
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Al! posted:it kind of...... doesn't have a head in the original drawing lol....... i think next time i'll at least sketch out the shape of the head even if there's just going to be hair covering it. it resolves a lot better in the revision i posted however. The revision looks better (the removed white bits were ears?). Although I think the body anatomy works, in that position the right arm would more likely be crossed in front of the body and grasping the railing in front of the torso-hair is difficult, having a skull/structure under it, even if unseen in final product, definitely helps to determine drape etc.
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i do want to work on more figures this year........ here's a character design
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I'm working on a bigger drawing but I wanted to take a break with something easier.
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gmc9987 posted:How much construction/underdrawing are you doing before you start committing to the facial features? The way certain objects are out of proportion, which then push other objects out of proportion, and so on, would lead me to believe that you aren't spending a lot of time blocking in the proportions for the different areas before you start going to town on the fine lines and details. This is most likely where I am falling apart. Part of it is--I guess dread is the right word. I fear commiting a bunch of time to a drawing and then still getting it wrong. The above picture is a 20-minute job with maybe 1/4 of that being construction. I love watching Bradwynn Jones so intellectually I understand the value and necessity of underlying construction. He spends 45 minutes in that video just blocking out simple shapes. But I got the fear in me something terrible. E: edited for something actionable -- today at lunch instead of trying to create a complete drawing I'll use my full hour just for construction. MTV Crib Death fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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MTV Crib Death posted:This is most likely where I am falling apart. Part of it is--I guess dread is the right word. I fear commiting a bunch of time to a drawing and then still getting it wrong. The above picture is a 20-minute job with maybe 1/4 of that being construction. Yeah, the first time you try out a new technique or method it'll come out lovely (to your standards) about 100% of the time. The next one will be less lovely though, you just gotta power through those first few terrible drawings that you don't want to show anyone. Have you considered not making a finished drawing, and just practicing the construction lines? If the ultimate goal isn't to make a pretty drawing would that relieve some of the pressure? I am playing around with ideas for stone age people these days.  
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gmc9987 posted:Have you considered not making a finished drawing, and just practicing the construction lines? If the ultimate goal isn't to make a pretty drawing would that relieve some of the pressure? Yes I think it very well might release that pressure valve. Awesome cave people! I like how they look like a combination of cave scratchings and more modern cartoons.
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MTV Crib Death posted:This is most likely where I am falling apart. Part of it is--I guess dread is the right word. I fear commiting a bunch of time to a drawing and then still getting it wrong. This is totally normal. There's maybe one artist in a million who leaps this hurdle instantly, but everyone else starts off treating their drawings as precious children to be nurtured. For me, a lot of it came from this kind of neurotic worry that I'd never be able to do something as good as what I was making ever again. The only way I was able to get over it was to start consciously prioritizing quantity over quality. The point where my drawing began to see noticeable improvement in my old sketchbook is where each page went from being filled with one or two painstakingly curated faces or poses to being packed corner-to-corner with gesture drawings, quick head sketches, boxes/spheres/cylinders, and anything else I could see. You might be cringing at the thought of having to look at your "bad" drawings over and over again, but when I flip through old sketchbooks, any shame or embarrassment over the quality is quickly drowned out by the sense of pride in seeing how dramatically different the start of the book and the end of the book are.
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Vermain posted:This is totally normal. There's maybe one artist in a million who leaps this hurdle instantly, but everyone else starts off treating their drawings as precious children to be nurtured. Quoting for truth, treat your sketchbook as a place to fart out whatever dumb ideas come into your head without worrying about "finishing" anything and your work will improve perceptibly on a day-by-bay basis. Making good drawings is 10% knowing how to draw well and 90% knowing which ideas to spend time working on and which to abandon.
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I'm gonna stop posting this stuff after this, because this isn't the "idiot king learns to draw" thread. I broke my grid down further and went in with the assumption that this was not something that would ever be finished.  Cheeks and chin too large and eyes a bit strange (I needed to make two different runs at them) but overall much better than the last attempt. I feel like I was spot-on with the tip of the nose and nostril which makes me feel good.
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MTV Crib Death posted:this isn't the "idiot king learns to draw" thread HAHA look at how wrong you are. Yes, it is. This is exactly the "post ur first babby step sketches all day erry day" thread. Never not be postin'. I mean I realize it may not look all that exciting from your point of view, but there's loads that others can learn looking at the progress. Also, telling yourself (because the fear is you) you shouldn't spend time doing something 'cause it might not be great after Serious Effort is kinda like not picking up an instrument 'cause you couldn't play along to Dragonforce on your first go. To who do you owe that "wasted" time? It's yours, and no-one is demanding that it be only spent on perfection except you. I'm drawing: a chicken. Important art! 
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Sharpest Crayon posted:I'm drawing: a chicken. Important art!  I made... Fanart! Even worse, crossover fanart! 
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MTV Crib Death posted:I'm gonna stop posting this stuff after this, because this isn't the "idiot king learns to draw" thread. I broke my grid down further and went in with the assumption that this was not something that would ever be finished.
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I keep thinking your drawings are just actual photos when I see them in thumbnail size and then I increase their size and realize the true power of bird.
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Another suggestion for grid drawing is to draw the face upside down. That way your brain is able to focus on drawing what you observe rather than OMG FACE I KNOW WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE. Unfortunately our brains can get in the way sometimes.
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a hole-y ghost posted:Try to have at least a 3x3 within the face (as in make your grid with enough subdivisions for that). What you're doing won't help that much for face proportions Yeah also, adding a 45 degree diagonal to your grid in the more complex areas can help with aligning features correctly. And if you feel guilty about that you can take it up with J.C. Leyendecker: 
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My sincere thanks for all of you helping me this with. I will try all of these today when I take another crack at it.
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So this one was extremely eye-opening. My drawing looks nothing like the subject, but when I line them up like this I see that the places where I went wrong are off in pretty small ways (lips, eyes). So I can see just how exact I need to be to come close to resemblance. (~40 mins taking it slow and really trying to get it right)  e: without layover: 
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 First page of this weird project I've kinda stumbled into without intending - each month I'm making a new comic-poem-hybrid-abomination, designed for A7 booklet. One sheet of A4 each, folded into a booklet, and they're apparently adorable:  I've actually sold them just from people seeing how tiny they are. Which I wasn't sure how to react to, really, but  Gonna detail the colour on this one a bit more if I find time.
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Thanks, that's what I like to hear!  I'm gonna explore it for a month or two, make sure the idea has legs (and have some lead, I hear that's important), then I'll be whoring a patreon all over the place.
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Aside from it's general  I love how well you make characters 3D, there's a real sense of volume to them.
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 Met some people in town, did some sketching then we all went for a coffee and compared work. 
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Thank you for your kind words, they lifted my spirits which was sorely needed because this week has not been easy. However, I've been sitting on the sketch for this since last weekend and finally got the time to start putting down colour:  The masking fluid is like magic, but it is difficult to work with. I bought some brushes meant for the fluid, but it gunks them up so fast. Wondering it a fountain pen would work better... or if it would just get gummed up just as fast. I gotta experiment with this. Bring in some toothpicks or something.
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Sharpest Crayon posted:Thank you for your kind words, they lifted my spirits which was sorely needed because this week has not been easy. Have you tried frisket film? It has its own set of problems, but you’re not constantly sacrificing brushes to the masking gods. Pens would definitely not work, but maybe foam brushes? Love those patterns.
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Sharpest Crayon posted:The masking fluid is like magic, but it is difficult to work with. I bought some brushes meant for the fluid, but it gunks them up so fast. Wondering it a fountain pen would work better... or if it would just get gummed up just as fast. I gotta experiment with this. Bring in some toothpicks or something. Oooh! I got this! I bought a silicone clay-working tool that works really well for this:  Seconding the masking fluid love. e: toothpicks work ok. I've never tried a fountain pen because wtf you sadist!
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