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Jerry Cotton posted:Oh did they also claim they were a workers' party? Yes. In the metsä they are all the parties.
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HS article I'm not sure is readable to non readers, so here it is. There are some real deep problems living among us right now. It's a hard issue to talk about because everyone chooses with who and even if they wanna gently caress, or have kids with. It still is an issue. quote:SYNTYVYYS on romahtanut Suomessa. Jyrkkä lasku on ollut yllätys, ja nyt se on pakko alkaa ottaa tosissaan.
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I was going to link that myself, but with some venom: after all, Hetemäki and the other ghouls at the finance ministry have been making our lives miserable since the 1990s recession, so no wonder the young adults who have lived through these last nearly 30 years don't want to start families.
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doverhog posted:HS article I'm not sure is readable to non readers, so here it is. There are some real deep problems living among us right now. It's a hard issue to talk about because everyone chooses with who and even if they wanna gently caress, or have kids with. It still is an issue. Kinda hard to feel confident about starting a family when kids are a burden that will loving utterly ruin any spare money you can scrape together in the economy they've created. The Finnish government is incompetent. News at eleven.
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As long as the government keeps deporting people to almost certain death their worry about people having less kids is some 14 words bullshit. I kinda recall that in the days of yore before jytky there was almost a consensus among the parties that immigrants would be the way fix the population pyramid. Might be totally misremembering this though.
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As expected, the comments are mainly about how it is the fault of women for having standards.
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DarkCrawler posted:As expected, the comments are mainly about how it is the fault of women for having standards. Women should be more considerate of male self-esteem and be more permissive in sharing their booty, that way they can stop males from becoming disenfranchised from society and turning into societal dead-weights. Their objection to co-operate make them implicit in this dire situation and thus guilty guilty GUILTY in the first degree of terrorism, which is the same thing as feminism.
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I hate incels too, a lower class of human, if you didn't eat rear end this weekend please leave this thread, but really that is not what this is about on a societal scale. There is something wrong with society, as shown by statistics. Osmo Soininvaara ja hänen kirjat opetti mua kauan sitten ymmärtämään, että tilastot eivät ole poliittisia. On olemassa faktoja, ja sitten on poliittisia tulkintoja ja ratkaisuja. Tämä syntyvyysjuttu on fakta, sitten kaikki sen jälkeen on avoinna keskustelulle. I blame Kepu. 
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Havana Affair posted:As long as the government keeps deporting people to almost certain death their worry about people having less kids is some 14 words bullshit. I kinda recall that in the days of yore before jytky there was almost a consensus among the parties that immigrants would be the way fix the population pyramid. Might be totally misremembering this though. The correct Cock way to improve the situation is a permanent underclass of underpaid Asian immigrants who have no rights or are unable to claim what is theirs because of their dependency on their employer and the language barrier. The Persian Gulf model.
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Sulphagnist posted:I was going to link that myself, but with some venom: after all, Hetemäki and the other ghouls at the finance ministry have been making our lives miserable since the 1990s recession, so no wonder the young adults who have lived through these last nearly 30 years don't want to start families. not emptyquoting but yep
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If I wanted to have kids I'd probably move abroad first, something a friend of mine did when she decided to move to her husbands home country. 'cos come on.
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Skanker posted:If I wanted to have kids I'd probably move abroad first, something a friend of mine did when she decided to move to her husbands home country. 'cos come on. That's super dumb because things are generally speaking worse for kids everywhere else. Unless you're filthy rich, but then the problems here in Finland don't really affect you either.
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Darkest Auer posted:That's super dumb because things are generally speaking worse for kids everywhere else. Unless you're filthy rich, but then the problems here in Finland don't really affect you either. Hey at least my job would pay better
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The birth rates reflect similar things such as apartment purchases and so on. If you're a working-class millennial, it's quite likely that you're stuck in something like the services sector, where they offer you lovely contracts with no job safety. You might even be doing relatively well working like that, but getting a loan for an apartment or starting a family, when you can at a moment's notice be fired or not even fired, just left without work, that's not really a responsible thing to do, is it?
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I feel this ought to be common knowledge that uncertain times will make people postpone making kids, but I guess they thought it wouldn't be as bad since they had all these estimates saying otherwise. Numbers, man. They never lie, until they do.
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Kemper Boyd posted:The birth rates reflect similar things such as apartment purchases and so on. Also, younger generations are overwhelmingly concentrated in the cities where the cost of living is through the roof. The few people my age who stayed in my hometown have like 2-3 kids each but they can live in a huge house and pay about a third of the rent compared to the shoebox me and my 1 dog barely fit in. Where the gently caress would I fit one child, much less the four I need to have for Motherland according to Antti Rinne? I'm pretty sure I could barely afford just one but only if I could feed them dog food too. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Also people these days have much more free time and opportunity to use that time to travel, do hobbies or enjoy whatever luxuries they want. Having a kid means an end to pretty much all that. Why would an educated person in their 20s choose hell over experiencing the world?
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:I feel this ought to be common knowledge that uncertain times will make people postpone making kids, but I guess they thought it wouldn't be as bad since they had all these estimates saying otherwise. Numbers, man. They never lie, until they do. Yeah I love the graph with the sharp downward trend and then folks just assuming that yeah, actually right on this moment as we are making this graph, people will continue with their usual breeding habits. But yeah, in my world view this is precisely a result on the huge uncertainty taking place, not to speak of what's on the horizon. Darkest Auer posted:Also people these days have much more free time and opportunity to use that time to travel, do hobbies or enjoy whatever luxuries they want. Having a kid means an end to pretty much all that. Why would an educated person in their 20s choose hell over experiencing the world? Personally this is the case, even though I don't travel that much. SnowblindFatal fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 9, 2018 |
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Don't think it's just about uncertainty, there is something going on with the separation of the sexes and their levels of education too. Getting married and having kids used to be some you did because you had to. It's different now, lots of people don't get married at all, or can't find a spouse they'd wanna do it with. It's a societal trend like kaupungistuminen and there are no easy "solutions" for politicians to sell.
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Well that too. Also it seems to me that people have less and less energy to physically meet up, especially with strangers, of course depending on social circles and so on. Are we truly prisoners of our (pocket) computers?
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SnowblindFatal posted:Well that too. Also it seems to me that people have less and less energy to physically meet up, especially with strangers, of course depending on social circles and so on. Are we truly prisoners of our (pocket) computers? God no. People still gently caress plenty, and people want to have kids too, it's just that being uncertain about everything but uncertainty makes being sure it's the right time more than a bit difficult. Did you tattoo a "those newfangled curses" politoon inside your rear end in a top hat?
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quote:Sipilä, Orpo ja Terho: Niukan kehysriihen ykkönen on työllisyys – "Ei voida elää jatkuvasti kädet tulevien sukupolvien taskussa" Wow, that is great, I didn't realize they're going to abolish retirement benefits for their giant gently caress-off generation!
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Haha, are we now following the Chinese? If we get enough SOTE points, will we be allowed to leave the country?
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How many packs a day do I have to smoke to get 69 points?
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Can't wait to have the calorie count in food labels replaced with Sote-points
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Wrong Diagnosis Unnecessary Complicated Treatment - Speedrun - NEW WR!!! -
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Haluisin kyllä nähdä miten tässäki toi pisteytys toteutetaan siten, ettei tilastonikkarit löydä porsaanreikiä. Vakuutusyhtiöt myy datansa terveysalan firmoille (tai fuusioituvat ja saavat synergiaetuja) ja taas saadaan pari prosenttia viilattua. Ehkä voisin tehdä henkilökohtaisen bisneksen, jossa esitän paljon sairaampaa ku mitä olen ja sitte saan 50% siitä feikkiriskifyrkasta ja kaverin lääkärifirma toisen 50%.
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throw to first drat IT posted:
Type 1 diabeetus 
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The government wants to make it easier to fire people. Sipilä says it's because as a small business owner you take a big risk in hiring your first employee. That might be true but doesn't explain why the relaxed regulation will cover all companies that are smaller than twenty employees. With 20 it's actually fairly easy to use some fuckery to turn a 50 or 70 person company into a bunch of subsidiaries and have at-will employment. If it were, I don't know, six people, then it would really hamper such loopholing. Given that nothing these folks say or do can be taken in good faith, I can only imagine this is exactly what they have in mind.
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I wish it was easier to fire the government. Into the sun, or the mariana trench.
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I would settle for setting the government on fire.
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Sulphagnist posted:The government wants to make it easier to fire people. The relaxed firing regulations will only concern people under the age of 30, which will probably only increase age discrimination in the job market.
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No. 1 Callie Fan posted:The relaxed firing regulations will only concern people under the age of 30, which will probably only increase age discrimination in the job market.
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Nollatuntisopimuksella on saanut jo kauan potkia väkeä pihalle ilman mitään varoitusta
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Kuule hain nussivan posted:Actually, that's a different thing. You can now temporarily hire people under the age of 30 who have been employed for a minimum of three months without having to give a reason why the contract is temporary. Because "THOSE LAZY KIDS"! But why aren't young people having more kids?! 
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It's hilarious in a sad way that this week Petteri Orpo was commenting that something has to be done to counter the downward trend in birthrates, and they come out with this plain as day weakening of work security. I guess since people talk that how you don't work for one company for the rest of your life anymore, they thought to give the kids a good push to that lifestyle.
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