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I may have posted about this before but today I got on a Greg Giraldo You Tube things and started binging on an old failed CC show hosted by Colin Quinn called "Tough Crowd". I like edgy, roast oriented comedy - Greg Giraldo in particular - so some of it was still really funny but, god drat. You listen to to some of this stuff in context or, especially with the benefit of hindsight, and it's just awful. Comedy can age terribly and going through some of these shows post 9/11 and leading up to the Iraq invasion is...well...incredible, honestly. It makes me want to go back and watch old news talk shows and poo poo in the context that they were originally aired. I wonder how an old Bill Maher episode aired on 08/2001 might hold up, for instance. Some of these comedians were surprisingly hawkish and, like most of the nation at the time, very pro Iraq invasion. The show had a lot of a problems and, by and large, doesn't hold up with a poo poo, but I appreciate what they were trying to do and they had some genuinely funny people on there. I kind of wish it had done better because when it was good it was really good and the spirit of it seemed well intentioned, but most of it was just comedians trying to score and dunk. Problem being they only shot about 50%. It's worth checking out (all episodes are on YouTube) and a really interesting time capsule. For me anyway. I like it better than Politically Incorrect and Real Time , which are the closest comparisons I can come up with.
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Wheat Loaf posted:One of my all-time favourite movies is a Good Friday movie: Is The Long Halloween a reference to this?
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Apr 10, 2018 23:47
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Is The Long Halloween a reference to this? I don't know, but I'd guess it's not. They're both influenced by noir storytelling so they're probably both referencing the Raymond Chandler novel The Long Goodbye. Anyone who hasn't seen The Long Good Friday should give it a watch; it has one of my favourite endings of any movie.
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Apr 11, 2018 00:07
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by the time a fart travels between bill maher's brain and his mouth it's already aged terribly
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Apr 11, 2018 00:13
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BiggerBoat posted:I may have posted about this before but today I got on a Greg Giraldo You Tube things and started binging on an old failed CC show hosted by Colin Quinn called "Tough Crowd". I like edgy, roast oriented comedy - Greg Giraldo in particular - so some of it was still really funny but, god drat. You listen to to some of this stuff in context or, especially with the benefit of hindsight, and it's just awful.
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Apr 11, 2018 01:08
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BiggerBoat posted:I may have posted about this before but today I got on a Greg Giraldo You Tube things and started binging on an old failed CC show hosted by Colin Quinn called "Tough Crowd". I like edgy, roast oriented comedy - Greg Giraldo in particular - so some of it was still really funny but, god drat. You listen to to some of this stuff in context or, especially with the benefit of hindsight, and it's just awful. I liked the episode where Giraldo dunks on Leary after he told Giraldo he writes too many jokes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymltNm4p2VY&t=199s
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Apr 11, 2018 01:23
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FactsAreUseless posted:It was also a New York show. Speaking of, The Critic has aged better than most but still... uh, well- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr13Y-wu3nU&t=849s
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Apr 11, 2018 01:25
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Ghost Leviathan posted:See also airport shenanigans in the climax of romantic comedies. Like that episode of Full House where Stephanie and Michelle are going on a plane to Oakland, California and end up on one to Auckland, New Zealand instead. How is that possible? You definitely need a passport and to go through customs to go from the US to NZ.
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Apr 11, 2018 03:47
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At the time of production passports weren’t issued to children tho
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Apr 11, 2018 04:29
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Why would you take a plane from San Francisco to Oakland anyway?
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Apr 11, 2018 04:50
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Detective No. 27 posted:Why would you take a plane from San Francisco to Oakland anyway? Have you see the traffic?
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Apr 11, 2018 04:53
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Have you see the traffic? Take the BART. But avoid the AIDS needles hidden in the seats.
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Apr 11, 2018 05:01
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Mu Zeta posted:Take the BART. But avoid the AIDS needles hidden in the seats. God drat. FactsAreUseless posted:It was also a New York show. Not sure what that means. BiggerBoat has a new favorite as of 12:08 on Apr 11, 2018 |
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Apr 11, 2018 11:56
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BiggerBoat posted:Not sure what that means.
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Apr 11, 2018 12:37
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Speaking of 9/11 media, Reign Over Me using it to shill for a video game.
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Apr 11, 2018 13:32
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FactsAreUseless posted:I just noticed a lot more (justifiable) anger coming from New York-based shows around that time. Ah, got it. I thought you meant "They're from New York so they're automatically rude obnoxious assholes". Still finding listening to some of these fascinating. It's not aging oddly like a regular old scripted sitcom that's a product of its time.
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It's utterly bizarre that anyone believed the second Iraq war was justified. Maybe it's because I'm on the opposite coast in California, but pretty much nobody here believed in it. Everyone thought it was a scam from day one. Even me when I was just a dumb high school kid.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:54
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Mu Zeta posted:It's utterly bizarre that anyone believed the second Iraq war was justified. Maybe it's because I'm on the opposite coast in California, but pretty much nobody here believed in it. Everyone thought it was a scam from day one. Even me when I was just a dumb high school kid. The slides of mobile chemical weapons labs were pretty convincing. That bullshit removed any trust I had left in the US and it's intelligence services.
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Apr 11, 2018 14:57
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oldpainless posted:At the time of production passports weren’t issued to children tho 
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Apr 11, 2018 15:20
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Mu Zeta posted:It's utterly bizarre that anyone believed the second Iraq war was justified. Maybe it's because I'm on the opposite coast in California, but pretty much nobody here believed in it. Everyone thought it was a scam from day one. Even me when I was just a dumb high school kid. That was a good time to find out that your favorite comedians were jingoist shitheads, at least. Got that out of the way nice and early in my life.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:37
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BgRdMchne posted:The slides of mobile chemical weapons labs were pretty convincing. That bullshit removed any trust I had left in the US and it's intelligence services. You mean the" You can fit a chemical weapons lab in a shipping container. Trucks can carry shipping containers. There are trucks in Iraq. Therefore Iraq has chemical weapons." Yeah, loving infallible. 
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Apr 11, 2018 15:53
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Gorilla Salad posted:You mean the" You can fit a chemical weapons lab in a shipping container. Trucks can carry shipping containers. There are trucks in Iraq. Therefore Iraq has chemical weapons." It's not like you can't put a chemical lab inside of a shipping container, because it's entirely feasible that someone could do it.
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Apr 11, 2018 15:58
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Iron Crowned posted:It's not like you can't put a chemical lab inside of a shipping container, because it's entirely feasible that someone could do it. I don't think you understand the issue there
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purple death ray posted:I don't think you understand the issue there I mean I get it that the logic was all shipping containers were mobile chemical labs, I'm just saying it's not impossible to do. I currently work on mobile medical equipment, and you'd be surprised at what can go into an envelope the size of a shipping container.
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm just saying it's not impossible to do. No one suggested that, though. That's why we're so confused.
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Apr 11, 2018 16:54
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Iron Crowned posted:I mean I get it that the logic was all shipping containers were mobile chemical labs, I'm just saying it's not impossible to do. I currently work on mobile medical equipment, and you'd be surprised at what can go into an envelope the size of a shipping container. I think we've all seen Breaking Bad, thank you. The issue is not that they could or could not do it, it's that the fact they could do it was being held up as evidence that they did do it.
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:Speaking of 9/11 media, Reign Over Me using it to shill for a video game. Counterpoint: Shadow of the Colossus owned.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:56
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Iron Crowned posted:It's not like you can't put a chemical lab inside of a shipping container, because it's entirely feasible that someone could do it. You are very, very stupid.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:38
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Lazlo Nibble posted:I was six when I got my first passport. Nixon was in the White House at the time. Are you sure? This is very unsettling
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Apr 12, 2018 02:31
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It seemed clear at the time to me as a high schooler that the war in iraq was getting cooked up but I'd tell people and they--even adult teachers!!--would act like i was treasoning america
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Apr 12, 2018 02:57
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BgRdMchne posted:The slides of mobile chemical weapons labs were pretty convincing. That bullshit removed any trust I had left in the US and it's intelligence services. Even before that there was also a lot of misinformation around. Plus let's be honest here; Saddam wasn't exactly a nice guy. I was actually supportive at the time. Now note that I was still a teenager at the time and also am from pretty rural conditions. The mobile chemical labs bullshit was actually the turning point where my opinion switched to "wow, gently caress this." As terrible as Saddam was that was when I realized that we ultimately went to play in the sandbox for utterly bullshit reasons. Looking back it feels kind of weird that like 70% of Americans supported Bush Jr. and thought the Iraq war was a good idea but well...times were different.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Even before that there was also a lot of misinformation around. Plus let's be honest here; Saddam wasn't exactly a nice guy. (looks at 2016 election results) No, times were exactly the same.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Even before that there was also a lot of misinformation around. Plus let's be honest here; Saddam wasn't exactly a nice guy. Deep in fort Meed in a rectangular building covered in glass, a millitary man asks you a question, "how many countries are we at war with right now?" You start to count on your fingers, you start to name the countries. but he laughs and says, your going to need more hands. A young man just given top secret clearance, is seated at a computer labeled 'top secret clearance' and he types his password in. the screen begins to fill with asses and assholes. more and more asses, more and more assholes. so he calls the supervisor. and the superviser says "thats what we do here, those might be terrorist assholes."
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Kay Kessler posted:Counterpoint: Shadow of the Colossus owned. That movie was sappy trash for the most part, but its use of Shadow of the Colossus was actually very thematically appropriate, and I remember being impressed by that at the time.
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Thursday Next posted:Roseanne actually aged extremely well; it's still a great show. But the episode where Roseanne walks out of the plastics factory job (end of season 1) is unbelievable. Her boss is so insanely over the top sexist that she'd be turning away crowds of lawyers begging to take her case. I work in manufacturing and all the bosses in real life are white men with 0 skills and sexual harrassment is so rampant that I, a white man, was butt-groped by a supervisor more than once. If anything, that episode was toned down for tv.
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Apr 12, 2018 04:24
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Even before that there was also a lot of misinformation around. Plus let's be honest here; Saddam wasn't exactly a nice guy. I was for the war, and not because Saddam had anything to do with 9/11. In retrospect it was a bad idea implemented badly, but at the time I believed we had valid reasons for going to war. Which was the mistake because now I know it's stupid to invite war. Even when things do go your way, there's always unforeseen problems or unintended circumstances. You pretty much go all in or stay home. Had we done that it still would have been a bad idea, but it might not have been as bad an idea for as long.
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shame on an IGA posted:I work in manufacturing and all the bosses in real life are white men with 0 skills and sexual harrassment is so rampant that I, a white man, was butt-groped by a supervisor more than once. It's not just manufacturing. I worked in a Sales adjacent position and it was more or less exactly the same story.
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Captain Monkey posted:It's not just manufacturing. I worked in a Sales adjacent position and it was more or less exactly the same story. double same, industrial maintenance
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You can literally follow that chain all the way to the highest halls of power on the planet now
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We watched the movie North Country this year and some of my students initially thought it was a ludicrously exaggerated representation of sexual harassment, and then learned that all the instances in the film were drawn from actual incidents in the irl mine. My understanding is that seemingly mindboggling and horrific levels of institutionalized sexual harassment were extremely common in many or most industries in the past to a level it's hard to wrap your head around
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