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The closest to bad guys are probably the Iron Hands. They went bonkers after Ferrus died, started replacing all of their Emperor-given biology with spanners and clockwork, and have an extreme disregard for civilian casualties.
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Hustlin Floh posted:They're so loyal that Malcador sent squads of them to watch over all the other legions. The only argument you could make against them really is the fact that they razed Prospero under the false assumption that it was an order from the Emperor that even fooled Valdor, the closest guy to him other than Malcador. So, no, they aren't pretty clearly the closest to Bad Guys of the loyalists. From memory Valdor was urging caution right up until they dropped.
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Endman posted:The closest to bad guys are probably the Iron Hands. They went bonkers after Ferrus died, started replacing all of their Emperor-given biology with spanners and clockwork, and have an extreme disregard for civilian casualties. This was going on while old mate no head was still a head haver. He talked about the obsession in the legion with replacing their flesh and that it was bad and he was going to have to stamp it out when the great crusade was over.
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Apr 12, 2018 11:17
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Hustlin Floh posted:They're so loyal that Malcador sent squads of them to watch over all the other legions. The only argument you could make against them really is the fact that they razed Prospero under the false assumption that it was an order from the Emperor that even fooled Valdor, the closest guy to him other than Malcador. So, no, they aren't pretty clearly the closest to Bad Guys of the loyalists. So what you’re saying is loyalists are moron idiot hellfuckers.
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Apr 12, 2018 11:41
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Hustlin Floh posted:They're so loyal that Malcador sent squads of them to watch over all the other legions. The only argument you could make against them really is the fact that they razed Prospero under the false assumption that it was an order from the Emperor that even fooled Valdor, the closest guy to him other than Malcador. So, no, they aren't pretty clearly the closest to Bad Guys of the loyalists. They were the ones used to execute other chapters even before 1k sons, were hilariously hypocritical about psykers, and wasn't until angron bitchslapped russ that he started eating some humble pie Like, theres a reason that everybody shrugged and assumed the order was legit, space wolves were proto-minotaurs except with less self-awareness
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Apr 12, 2018 11:57
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Inferno is great if only because it reveals that the Wolves aren't actually pretending to be backwards idiot savages.
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Apr 12, 2018 11:59
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All the marines should have been wiped out after the heresy. The Imperium is the vehicle for humanity to rule the galaxy and Marines are less-human than Ogryns or Ratlings. Should have done unto them as He did unto the Thunder Warriors.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:03
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That was rather the plan.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:09
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Schadenboner posted:All the marines should have been wiped out after the heresy. The Imperium is the vehicle for humanity to rule the galaxy and Marines are less-human than Ogryns or Ratlings. Except for LotD. They’re bros.
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Schadenboner posted:All the marines should have been wiped out after the heresy. The Imperium is the vehicle for humanity to rule the galaxy and Marines are less-human than Ogryns or Ratlings. Finish the Great Crusade, put Magnus in charge of the webway, let any of the quarrelsome primarchs and legions destroy themselves in civil war, then send in the Custodes and and the Sisters of Silence to mop up. His plan failed on account of the civil war happening too soon, and Magnus ending up om the wrong side of the it. And then his eternal bathroom break prevented him from fixing anything.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:10
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Neurolimal posted:were hilariously hypocritical about psykers No you see, Spacewolf psykers aren't psykers, they're psykers. Hope you understand now.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:12
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Hustlin Floh posted:They're so loyal that Malcador sent squads of them to watch over all the other legions. That worked out really well, 9/20 legions still exist and are loyal. Another stunning victory for the Space Wolves.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:13
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Yeah, Custodes were explicitly supposed to be post-crusade Primarchs, being exemplars of scholastic and artistic pursuits that aren't created by stealing warp power and shooting it into babies. After the crusade the primarchs were to 'retire'. Seeing as Moloch is heavily hinted at being former Custodes, it would be cool if he got a story revealing that he was aware of that plan, which is why he's cool with killing the poo poo out of chapters. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 12:15
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I’m saying the Custodes and the Guard and even the toaster-worshiping cogboys (still *somehow* more human than than the astares!) should be the change we want to see in the Galaxy. Except LotD. They’re bros. Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 12:16
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Groetgaffel posted:Yeah, that was Big E's plan all along. I always wonder who his pysker backup for magnus was, there’s no way he made 20 super humans but only made 1 with the potential to secure future human ftl. Seems a tossup between lorgar/sanguinus/kurze meaning his backups were mostly traitors too.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:18
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The one agreed upon statement: warhammer's Jesus is a Bad Dad.
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Schadenboner posted:All the marines should have been wiped out after the heresy. The Imperium is the vehicle for humanity to rule the galaxy and Marines are less-human than Ogryns or Ratlings. The heresy was a manufactured event by the emperor to wipe out the Marines.
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Apr 12, 2018 12:22
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Zasze posted:I always wonder who his pysker backup for magnus was, there’s no way he made 20 super humans but only made 1 with the potential to secure future human ftl. The way the HH books make it out, as I remember them, each of the Primarchs had a relatively specific role to play over the course of the Emperor's big plan, and there wasn't really a backup for any of them. Some, like Angron, were always intended to be disposable muscle. Others, like Magnus, had a more permanent role planned for them. If you're just commenting on the psychic potential of the Primarchs, they were all, technically, potent psychers (being partially born of the warp and power stolen directly from the Dark Gods); it's just that a good chunk of them never realized that potential, or it manifested in more subtle ways. Even infamous anti-psychic bigot Lameman Rust had, and used, psychic powers (his famous howl was a little more than just a loud shout).
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Neurolimal posted:The one agreed upon statement: warhammer's Jesus is a Bad Dad. It's not Sanguinius' fault that he died and his sons have gone mad because of their lack of a strong father figure. 
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Broken Record Talk posted:Even infamous anti-psychic bigot Lameman Rust had, and used, psychic powers (his famous howl was a little more than just a loud shout). Fus-Rho-Awooooooooooo?
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Apr 12, 2018 12:29
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Broken Record Talk posted:It's not Sanguinius' fault that he died and his sons have gone mad because of their lack of a strong father figure. That's Jesus's Jesus, Jesus Prime is a bad dad while Jesus Secund is a pretty cool dad
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Neurolimal posted:
Where is that hinted at?
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Where is that hinted at? He has a Custodes spear, and fluff says that Custodes weapons have an MGS2 bio-print thing that keeps non-custodes from yanking their poo poo. He's also quite a bit taller than the average chapter master.
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Neurolimal posted:He has a Custodes spear, and fluff says that Custodes weapons have an MGS2 bio-print thing that keeps non-custodes from yanking their poo poo. He's also quite a bit taller than the average chapter master. Parroting the 1d4chan page doesn't really count; that's all bullshit speculation based on nothing.
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Endman posted:Parroting the 1d4chan page doesn't really count; that's all bullshit speculation based on nothing. It's an interesting idea, no reason to froth over it being written down on a wiki you dont like. He wouldn't be the first Custodes to be operating outside the group, he and his chapter are Terra-based, and the spear is a pretty decent jumping point even if it's not 100% concrete. This is also without acknowledging the fact that GW, especially new GW, hasn't been against listening to fan ideas and theories. E: Painting your stuff black has also been a reoccuring theme of rogue/renegade/dishonored factions in 40k, while that isn't necessarily hard proof it does make the Black Spear thematically consistent, as well. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Apr 12, 2018 13:16
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Neurolimal posted:Seeing as Moloch is heavily hinted at Ah, yes, your frothy imagination after slurping too much of the 1d4chan soup is indeed quite heavy.
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There is at least one other canonical example of a non-Custodes using an specifically Cusostodes weapon. So that indicates nothing. Also the spear is not descibed as being a solely Custodes weapon. Moloch has died, repeatedly. The much stronger, essentially explicit inference is that either Moloch is simply a role played by the Chapter Master, what with their paranoia and the literary need for a Minotaur in the maze, or they are cloning him. Black is the single most common motif in all of 40k when it comes to descriptions and paint schemes. It means nothing other than sounding cool. Getting defensive when people question your wholecloth head canon is weird.
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Eldar use spears. Clearly this Moloch person using a spear is a xenos tainted heretic. Why is he so tall? He's one of Fabius Bile's "new men".
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Fun highlight of my game last night: My opponent deployed two squads of scouts up front to charge into my lines turn 1 and disrupt things, he got first turn. So one unit charges into my devastators who are near Pedro, and I'm like "Okay, 6 marines and a chainsword sgt, that's 16 attacks rerolling misses and rerolling 1s to wound" and he's like "what" and the scouts all died. To be fair one also caught a lascannon on the way in.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:There is at least one other canonical example of a non-Custodes using an specifically Cusostodes weapon. If I remember right there are actually two instances. There's one word bearer who takes one, and the watch captain of the deathwatch is equipped with one.
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Booley posted:If I remember right there are actually two instances. There's one word bearer who takes one, and the watch captain of the deathwatch is equipped with one. As for the word bearer, if we're thinking of the same guy (during the Horus Heresy when Emps sent along a squad of Custodes to keep eyes on the word bearers), I seem to recall the book explicitly mention that the power field doesn't work without the correct gene imprint, but that it's still an excellent and very sharp spear.
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Groetgaffel posted:Yeah, that was Big E's plan all along. There’s 10,000 Custodes and well over a million Legionnaires - how was that plan ever going to pan out?
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Milotic posted:There’s 10,000 Custodes and well over a million Legionnaires - how was that plan ever going to pan out? I mean, a custodes is to a space marine as a space marine is to a guardsmen and it only takes a few hundred marines to take over a planet of millions
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Getting defensive when people question your wholecloth head canon is weird. Mango Polo posted:Ah, yes, your frothy imagination after slurping too much of the 1d4chan soup is indeed quite heavy.  Relax. I think its a neat idea, and I dont care where it came from. Spears aren't exclusively custodes, but the weird gunpear pretty much is.Obviously Forgeworld's word means nothing for consistency, but on the page for their spear pack they call them a signature weapon of the Custodes, and that even for weapons of their type outside custodes their particular disintegration beam gun is extra-rare. As for dying, we only know that he's miraculously recovered after receiving critical wounds...which a hilarious number of marine characters have accomplished without cloning. Also that him being cloned doesn't prevent the original from being a Custodes like, at all. He's an unusually tall guy with a gun spear on Terra and no established gene-seed source, you dont really need a huge leap to accept that he could be a Custodes. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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Groetgaffel posted:Presumably, if a charitable Custodes gives a spear away to some special boy, he'd also unlock the gene lock on it. Right, which means that it's not significant supporting evidence for moloc being a custodian
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Groetgaffel posted:Presumably, if a charitable Custodes gives a spear away to some special boy, he'd also unlock the gene lock on it. Betrayer says Argel Tal figured it out: “Argel Tal, like all ranking Legiones Astartes commanders, had a personal armoury that would put any collector to shame, but now he carried two weapons sheathed across his back – his finest and favourite trophies. Both were crafted on Terra, in forges forbidden to all outside the Emperor’s own inner sanctum. Both were gene-locked, and could never be activated without the original owners’ genetic imprints on the reactive palm grips along both blades’ hafts. Argel Tal had broken that technological law, though he’d never shared how.”
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Maybe he's a cloned Custode, a prototype created as part of a plan to finally save the Imperium from the so-called "post-human" menace that is the Astares. A plan derailed by the return of Guilliman-the-schismatic, aided by Cawl (who is secret head of the Dark Mechanicum).Astares posted:Hath not an astares hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer as a human is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? No, to literally everything you said except for the hands bit? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 12, 2018 |
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