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It sounds similar to the Kendrick Johnson case, which has been mentioned a few times before. (The link is possibly  as you can see a bit of Johnson's body.)The most likely scenario with Johnson is that he, like others in Lowndes High gym classes, stuck his shoes on top or just inside of a rolled up wrestling mat (the mat standing vertically). The shoes fell inside and Johnson climbed atop the mat and then in the center of it to retrieve the shoes. Johnson became stuck and asphyxiated. The case has unfortunately turned into a big-time mess. The police were likely incompetent in their early handling of it and Johnson's family came to believe their son was actually murdered. They've brought numerous lawsuits and several times over the past five years have protested at the courthouse and various other locations. It's completely understandable their grief, but every nearly every accusation they've had has been proven to be incorrect. It's an awful situation that may not ever totally fade away. Hopefully, they'll eventually find some peace.
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The article says he was in the third row bench seats. Maybe he was trying to get something from the trunk?
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Found this as a link from the incest murder-suicide article: Daniel St. Hubert guilty of stabbing two kids, one fatally, in Brooklyn elevator And I mean, it's all upsetting, but here's the part that unnerved and infuriated me in such a short article. quote:St. Hubert started "repeatedly stabbing" them, Mikayla testified last month, according to the station. When he stopped, she said St. Hubert ran out and she knew PJ was dead. What a piece of poo poo. I do believe that even the worst scumbags deserve strong representation because it's important to have a high standard of evidence, but telling an 11-year-old stabbing victim to her face that she's lying about the attack that killed her friend because she tells white lies sometimes is horrific.  EDIT: And she was 7 when it happened, mind.
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ravenkult posted:The article says he was in the third row bench seats. Maybe he was trying to get something from the trunk? I'm going to guess he was leaning over the 3rd row of seats and got wedged in such a way that he couldn't get enough leverage to get himself back up. That leaves him wedged upside down and is bringing back uncomfortable memories of the story of the guy who died after getting stuck upside down while squeezing though a cave tunnel.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It sounds similar to the Kendrick Johnson case, which has been mentioned a few times before. (The link is possibly The article says that the family and their lawyer lost a case for ~$300k for defamation and court fees. So might not get much peace for awhile.
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Apr 13, 2018 04:59
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That story reminded me of the woman who died behind a bookcase. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6185854.stmquote:Ms Weber's parents last saw her alive in the family house on 28 October.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:31
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RC and Moon Pie posted:It sounds similar to the Kendrick Johnson case, which has been mentioned a few times before. (The link is possibly The funeral home really hosed this one up too. Someone replaced his insides with newspapers, if I remember right.
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Apr 13, 2018 05:41
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That's in the article too. The coroner threw away all the insides, so they had to fill the cavity and, probably because they were being cheap, decided to use newspapers instead of cotton or saw dust. They were found to "not have used the best choice" but were cleared of all wrong doing and the judge dropped the case against them.
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Solice Kirsk posted:That's in the article too. The coroner threw away all the insides, so they had to fill the cavity and, probably because they were being cheap, decided to use newspapers instead of cotton or saw dust. LOL, too cheap to use sawdust. "Sawdust? Do I look like I'm made of money? You know, sawdust doesn't just grow on... Well, anyway, it's expensive."
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Apr 13, 2018 07:08
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Huh, basically everything they use to stuff dead bodies grows on trees. They should have stuffed him with wrestling mats for added irony.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Huh, basically everything they use to stuff dead bodies grows on trees. They should have stuffed him with wrestling mats for added irony. drat, lol.
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They had already fed the mats to the other students https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThhfLvR4Wo8
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Apr 13, 2018 14:25
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PetraCore posted:Found this as a link from the incest murder-suicide article: Daniel St. Hubert guilty of stabbing two kids, one fatally, in Brooklyn elevator
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Apr 13, 2018 15:56
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Minivan kid was trying to get tennis equipment out of the van, and the back seat tipped over and pinned him upside down underneath it: http://www.fox8live.com/story/37927152/kyle-plush-teen-dies-in-van-after-calling-911-at-seven-hills-school-in-cincinnati-ohio (Details are in the video, not the article). More hosed up: Kid gets Siri to autodial, tells the 911 operator the make, model, and color of the minivan, and the operator doesn't tell police, who are *still at the scene*, any of that information.
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Apr 13, 2018 15:57
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Phanatic posted:Minivan kid was trying to get tennis equipment out of the van, and the back seat tipped over and pinned him upside down underneath it: Oh my god, I was wondering how they could have not found him, I was like "how many gold Odyssey vans could even be in one parking lot?!"
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Apr 13, 2018 16:00
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I got to wondering if we still have any MIAs from our lengthy wars in Afghanistan, but a CNN page updated this month says this 2012 guy was the last resolved MIA (other than the POW Bergdahl who we got back in 2014 by exchanging some Taliban prisoners). I worked on the Altaie case and others in Baghdad 2010-11. If memory serves, one insurgent group turned in Altaie’s remains but it subsequently was established that they were the remains of someone else (a Brit, I believe). Coalition and westerner remains were a kind of weird currency/bargaining chip traded and passed from insurgent group to insurgent group, to the extent that most groups didn’t even know the provenance of the remains they held. Glad to hear Altaie made it home.
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Phanatic posted:More hosed up: Kid gets Siri to autodial, tells the 911 operator the make, model, and color of the minivan, and the operator doesn't tell police, who are *still at the scene*, any of that information. 
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Apr 13, 2018 16:05
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This article on a murder in Iceland is very good and unnerving https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/apr/12/the-murder-that-shook-iceland
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Apr 13, 2018 16:55
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I'm more mystified now than when I thought they'd gotten caught between seats.
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Phanatic posted:
Nice. And the operator didn't even vocally respond during one call, if my understanding is correct.
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Apr 13, 2018 16:59
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EmmyOk posted:I'm more mystified now than when I thought they'd gotten caught between seats. The third row seats can be folded down into the body to create a larger storage area. The seats began to fold down with him on them.
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Aleph Null posted:The third row seats can be folded down into the body to create a larger storage area. The seats began to fold down with him on them. Okay I've google minivan interiors and I think I have an idea now what happened. I've never been in a minivan tbh. So he was trapped in the folding space beneath the floor basically?
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Apr 13, 2018 17:05
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Brawnfire posted:Nice. And the operator didn't even vocally respond during one call, if my understanding is correct. I'm normally the last person to throw this line out there, but it's clear someone needs to get fired.
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Apr 13, 2018 17:06
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Pick posted:I'm normally the last person to throw this line out there, but it's clear someone needs to get fired. When I was security I learned that a lot of dispatchers leave very important information out when they're talking to cops going to the scene. Like "this woman robbed the bank across the street last month saying she had a bomb" and "he has a gun in his pantleg" and also "the car is bright loving neon purple." I can't count the number of times the cops came to the scene clueless other than knowing they needed to show up.
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Scathach posted:When I was security I learned that a lot of dispatchers leave very important information out when they're talking to cops going to the scene. Like "this woman robbed the bank across the street last month saying she had a bomb" and "he has a gun in his pantleg" and also "the car is bright loving neon purple." This is actually pretty interesting and Im curious to see how this also relates to the many shootings that have happened.
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Randaconda posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43722714 There are some articles that I know I should read but I just can’t get through them. I quit like 1/3 through this one knowing I would get really upset
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These terrible headlines seem appropriate https://twitter.com/SonarJose/status/984396686058573824
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Telsa Cola posted:This is actually pretty interesting and Im curious to see how this also relates to the many shootings that have happened. Off the top of my head, I think there was something in the Tamir Rice case where the operator didn’t pass on that the person who called in believed the gun might be fake, though it’s debatable how much that would have changed the outcome.
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fruit on the bottom posted:Off the top of my head, I think there was something in the Tamir Rice case where the operator didn’t pass on that the person who called in believed the gun might be fake, though it’s debatable how much that would have changed the outcome.
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EmmyOk posted:These terrible headlines seem appropriate Is this one of those thing where it’s only legally “rape” if it’s penis-in-vagina?
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EmmyOk posted:These terrible headlines seem appropriate It's reasonable not to throw around the word "rape" until it's proven. Not because he isn't allegedly a rapist, but because the news outlet doesn't want to end up in libel court if it's proven false.
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Jedit posted:It's reasonable not to throw around the word "rape" until it's proven. Not because he isn't allegedly a rapist, but because the news outlet doesn't want to end up in libel court if it's proven false. If it wasn't a white guy with money, they'd be throwing it around with "alleged" right in front. You know they would.
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fruit on the bottom posted:Off the top of my head, I think there was something in the Tamir Rice case where the operator didn’t pass on that the person who called in believed the gun might be fake, though it’s debatable how much that would have changed the outcome. pookel posted:I'm pretty sure the operator had also been told it was a kid, and did not mention that fact. Neither of these things would have mattered. For one, the cop could see Tamir Rice was a child when he rolled up and shot the kid. Second, an American cop will gun down a loving toddler if the kid makes a motion toward something he might be hiding in his diaper. If it turns out later to be poop, well, the cop had legitimate reason to fear for his life. I'm not saying dispatchers shouldn't be held responsible for being lovely at their jobs, but the problems with American cops do not originate in the dispatch room. Jedit posted:It's reasonable not to throw around the word "rape" until it's proven. Not because he isn't allegedly a rapist, but because the news outlet doesn't want to end up in libel court if it's proven false. There is no libel if what they report is the truth. "Police say they have evidence that Person X raped Person Y," can be the truth, regardless of whether or not the person is later convicted of the crime. Also, if you're committing libel, you're not going to somehow weasel out of it by saying "forced sex," instead of "rape."
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Even if you don’t say ‘rape,’ sexual assault is also a valid term for this. They’re absolutely downplaying what he did.
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I was just thinking about how “unnerving”(/lovely) it is how narrowly state laws sometimes define rape .
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Pirate Radar posted:I was just thinking about how “unnerving”(/lovely) it is how narrowly state laws sometimes define rape is this a case where what was done didn't constitute rape? i doubt that
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Caganer posted:is this a case where what was done didn't constitute rape? i doubt that Possibly, let me check on Missouri state law.
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Pirate Radar posted:Possibly, let me check on Missouri state law. So, the articles on this case don't say that there was PIV sexual intercourse. It's possible they're just omitting that. If they're not omitting it, and there simply wasn't any, then: https://statelaws.findlaw.com/missouri-law/missouri-rape-and-sexual-assault-laws.html He coerced her into performing oral sex on him. I'm not a lawyer but as far as I'm able to tell, what he did was not rape in the state of Missouri, it was legally sodomy in either the first or second degree. Which is hosed up.
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I'd still go with "sexual assault" there.
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AlbieQuirky posted:I'd still go with "sexual assault" there. that term doesn't exist in english unfortunately 
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