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Truga posted:A single nation state in tyool 2018 can't hope to accomplish proper socialism on its own. They get embargo'd to poo poo, and their country consequently goes to poo poo without being able to trade for resources not native to the region. Embargos didn't even last that long for the Soviet Union op. Cuba is a special case
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fridge corn posted:If buses were free to all you'd just get homeless people using them as shelters. Every bus would have its resident homeless person god can you imagine the smell You'd probably give the homeless people houses or something. Just saying.
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CoolCab posted:the eu loving sucks and one of the ways in which it sucks is how it was designed to make leaving enormously punitive. you don’t have to defend the lovely neoliberal ghoul cabal to think Brexit is a bad idea. Tbf leaving a large trading bloc is gonna suck no matter what and it's gonna double suck when all your leaders care about is if tomorrow's headline is going to appease their crazy base
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Truga posted:A single nation state in tyool 2018 can't hope to accomplish proper socialism on its own. They get embargo'd to poo poo, and their country consequently goes to poo poo without being able to trade for resources not native to the region. This is possibly the dumbest poo poo I ever read because the people who could enforce this change are unelected elites selected by their predecessors. There is literally no possible path to the EU going socialist because there is no way to remove the neoliberal decision makers from power.
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So instead of removing them by force you decide fall on your sword instead. 
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Byolante posted:This is possibly the dumbest poo poo I ever read because the people who could enforce this change are unelected elites selected by their predecessors. There is literally no possible path to the EU going socialist because there is no way to remove the neoliberal decision makers from power. r e v o l u t i o n
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:r
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Truga posted:A single nation state in tyool 2018 can't hope to accomplish proper socialism on its own. They get embargo'd to poo poo, and their country consequently goes to poo poo without being able to trade for resources not native to the region. So wait you think that if on the off chance that corbyn is elected into no. 10 that all of our major trading partners are just gonna stop trading with the uk?? Wtf Lmao
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Seems like both international and domestic capital both came down pretty hard on Mitterand when he tried to implement a radical social democratic reforms in France in the 1980s promising to "rupture" capitalism and set France on the road to socialism. Obviously nobody literally cut trade ties but it doesn't take anything that drastic to undermine social democracy in a single country.
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jBrereton posted:where? strasbourg? frankfurt am main? brussels? Across the globe.
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forkboy84 posted:Across the globe.
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fridge corn posted:So wait you think that if on the off chance that corbyn is elected into no. 10 that all of our major trading partners are just gonna stop trading with the uk?? I mean, we will already be renegotiating every single trade deal we have but otoh most of the big players are going to be more interested in what shock doctrine can get them
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jBrereton posted:where? strasbourg? frankfurt am main? brussels? yes
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jBrereton posted:ah of course natürlich
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:natürlich well i mean that would be extremely difficult because the EU is built from the ground up to encourage states to compete against each other and be in constant conflict - helped by the borderline vestigial parliament being entirely divorced from the actual institutions of power - primarily the (german) central bank. this is entirely sensible, logical, sustainable and surely isn't ridiculously dysfunctional neoliberal free market cargo culting if you're being charitable and/or a deliberate attempt to crystalise status quo if you're not. also sup beastie it's neat to see you postin sometimes
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Socialism In One Country* * Liechtenstein
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fridge corn posted:So wait you think that if on the off chance that corbyn is elected into no. 10 that all of our major trading partners are just gonna stop trading with the uk?? n-no? The same thing will happen that always happens. Big companies and other capitalist states will put pressure on UK saying they'll withdraw this or that if Corbyn actually tries to do any remotely socialist reforms, because the capitalist world *really* can't afford a socialist success story right now, with inequality being historically high. And especially not the EU having post-brexit UK being a success story. Threats will never be fully realised, but they don't have to be. In the lovely economy of today it barely takes anything to get a recession poor people can feel going, and then corbyn/labour gets hosed in the next election. I'll be glad if I'm proven wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Truga posted:n-no? The same thing will happen that always happens. Big companies and other capitalist states will put pressure on UK saying they'll withdraw this or that if Corbyn actually tries to do any remotely socialist reforms, because the capitalist world *really* can't afford a socialist success story right now, with inequality being historically high. And especially not the EU having post-brexit UK being a success story. Threats will never be fully realised, but they don't have to be. In the lovely economy of today it barely takes anything to get a recession poor people can feel going, and then corbyn/labour gets hosed in the next election. Regional investment banks and proper investment in the NHS allowing it to maintain aggregate demand create such an overwhelming incentive for the precarious bourgeoisie that any bosses strikes or industrial capital flight are at worst mixed, while the development of these investment institutions means that the financial capital flight doesn't leave the various skilled employees jobless or underemployed. 1 million climate jobs improves our non-military technology industries while also encouraging scientific research development to stay at our universities and giving our graduates something to aim for locally. Refusing to put our transport networks out for tender any more allows better co-ordination and upgrading of those networks for more efficient production. Repealing various trade union restrictions and making employee representation or ownership easier improves worker confidence to organise and take control of their own workplace if international corporations decide that their British factories aren't worth it any longer. There's plenty of macroeconomic and political action that can be taken to battle against international capitalism and someone has to at least try.
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Quotey posted:gently caress you theresa may. gently caress you, so much, and the whole parliament of the UK in the last 150 years
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It's good to see you guys are on the right side of the Syria thing. A good counterpoint to the brexit. It's very important that Britain stays together with France and the US and other democracies to present a united front against Russia and its clients and admirers. hakimashou has issued a correction as of 04:19 on Apr 14, 2018 |
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CoolCab posted:well i mean that would be extremely difficult because the EU is built from the ground up to encourage states to compete against each other and be in constant conflict - helped by the borderline vestigial parliament being entirely divorced from the actual institutions of power - primarily the (german) central bank. this is entirely sensible, logical, sustainable and surely isn't ridiculously dysfunctional neoliberal free market cargo culting if you're being charitable and/or a deliberate attempt to crystalise status quo if you're not. Sounds like the nation-state version of Sears' management. Of course I wonder if capitalists could gently caress over Britain's people in retaliation for socialist reforms even more than they already are simply in the name of capitalism, with the full cooperation of the government?
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I’m glad we’ve attacked Syrian chemical weapon production and storage facilities. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pissflaps posted:I’m glad we’ve attacked Syrian chemical weapon production and storage facilities. if all youre going to do is post your extremely dumb smug thoughts to try and #trigger, dont
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An excellent question, Dan Hodges. Theresa May acted unilaterally, without parliamentary consent Which is pretty hosed up when you think about it
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Pissflaps posted:I’m glad we’ve attacked Syrian chemical weapon production and storage facilities. Hell, I agree
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It feels like he's this close to a break through but his Dan Hodges-ness just has to stop him.
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https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/985072736606310400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/985072736606310400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F There was already an independent UN-led investigation which found that the attacks were real and the Syrian government was responsible
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Jeb! Repetition posted:There was already an independent UN-led investigation which found that the attacks were real and the Syrian government was responsible Also the Russians just vetoed a resolution on this subject a few days ago. Russia certainly seems to be going all-in on its "use of chemical weapons is awesome" position.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/985072736606310400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F I like Big Jezza but I just can't agree with him on this one
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My fave tweet about the whole thing https://twitter.com/DawnHFoster/status/984966679640858624
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e: wtf wrong thread what am i even doing here
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Pissflaps posted:My fave tweet about the whole thing I too grow positively turgid at the thought of brown children dying It doesn't matter who does it or where but it's nicer when it's not outside my home and instead on a screen Not because I don't want to watch it live I just prefer my porn to be 2d
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/D_Raval/status/985072736606310400?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F What a pinhead.
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Saith posted:I too grow positively turgid at the thought of brown children dying aren’t you that deranged Scottish nationalist guy
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