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If you tweet, you don't get to complain about being taken out of context. Twitter is for context-free hot takes. If your idea would require more than one tweet to express, it is too subtle or complex for Twitter. Not defending harassers, btw.
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As it turns out people can’t post like they do here in more publicly obvious spaces without looking really lovely
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Apr 13, 2018 02:55
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Jimbozig posted:If you tweet, you don't get to complain about being taken out of context. Twitter is for context-free hot takes. If your idea would require more than one tweet to express, it is too subtle or complex for Twitter. Man, gently caress that. Twitter has threads. You don’t get to take one sentence from my post out of context to make your point. Don’t defend idiots and assholes.
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Jimbozig posted:defending harassers, btw. Well gently caress you then rear end in a top hat eta this is a joke xtal fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Apr 13, 2018 03:37
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Real talk Nora Loreto is going to write a book about this like Zoe Quinn, and it will also be good
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Jordan7hm posted:Man, gently caress that. Twitter has threads. You don’t get to take one sentence from my post out of context to make your point. She has an average of 28 tweets a day for the last 8 years, I'm guessing she knows how the 2/3 thing works. What do you think would have happened if all 3 had been together? The context wouldn't have changed much, it would have just diluted her main sentiment a bit. But she did it, she proved that white people hate being called racists. Groundbreaking stuff. I want to know how many of you wore hockey jerseys to work today because you didn't want to look like a heartless monster
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Apr 13, 2018 04:11
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the girl at starbucks this morning was wearing a canucks sweater and i was like 'wtf theres no way those losers made the playoffs this year'
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"All I'm saying is maybe she was asking for it with that short skirt. She knew what she was doing." Why are you all so eager to victim-blame this woman? Why even bother wrapping it in platitudes like, "well, the abusers are wrong, but still, how dare a woman do an opinion on our internets?"
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PT6A posted:"All I'm saying is maybe she was asking for it with that short skirt. She knew what she was doing." I'm trying not to be cynical but I feel like you're only defending them because of their white femaleness. Maybe you should start a gofundme for them or something.
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I don't think it excuses anyone's behavior, but it feels like people agree twitter is a lovely medium for serious or long-form discussion just about every other day of the year.
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Oxyclean posted:I don't think it excuses anyone's behavior, but it feels like people agree twitter is a lovely medium for serious or long-form discussion just about every other day of the year. But the hockey bus, guys. Nothing is more important right now than the dead hockey bus. My kids' school is having all the kids wear sports jerseys tomorrow for the dead hockey bus boys. How some kids wearing jerseys in another province will help people who have 10 million dollars, I don't know. Why we are trying to raise awareness for this instead of ongoing issues that need more awareness, I don't know. I'm confused as to why people are acting so weird, but it's making everyone crazy, including this thread.
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I wore a team Canada jersey because it meant I got to wear casual to work that's about it Also the CANDU reactors are goddamn brilliant and it makes me angry that we don't have a dozen more of them.
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People identify and sympathize with the victims of that bus crash because they identify with them, especially if you grew up in a small town. Pretty much every person I grew up with at one point or another got on a big rear end bus with a group of friends and classmates to go do a thing, be it a sporting event, or a cadet or scout function, or school band event or *something*. It's a tragedy that hits closer to home, with no politics attached to it, and people feel a connection to the victims and their families. Except of course some of you bitter assholes who see a literal busload of dead kids and go 'lol whites'  'lol rurals' 'lol males' gently caress that and gently caress you. gently caress twitter rear end in a top hat, too.
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That was "twitter rear end in a top hat"'s point, actually. But don't let that get in the way of blaming her for being harassed. I mean yes, it's sad, but I've been unfortunately close to a number of sudden fatalities over the past little while, and even people who personally knew the deceased or actually saw it happen are less hosed up about it than random people throughout the country are for Sad Hockey Bus. We need to regain a sense of perspective about this. More importantly, instead of just throwing money into the void, we could do things like: call for reform of the OTR trucking industry, and provide more funding to make isolated highway intersections safer. This would actually prevent incidents like this from happening again. But instead we're having an impotent, nationwide wailing and gnashing of teeth, and attacking some woman who made a decent point in a slightly insensitive way. PT6A fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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I mean let's face it, the whole humboldt thing got co-opted by right wing populists really quickly (I remember seeing some conservative fb page calling for the flags to be flown at half mast for 16 days or something), and we were headed toward a "trudeau/notley/etc didn't publicly express grief well enough, unlike our boy scheer/kenney/ford" type of territory to begin with.
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Can something be co-opted by the people in whose backyard it happened? "lol whites" is a bit far but the comparison A Typical Goon made to the Quebec mosque shooting is loving stark. The orphaned/widow(er)ed victims were denied finanical support from the government because they weren't physically there getting shot at. A guy who was there and got shot a whole buncha times had to beg for renovations so his wheelchair can make it through his house and maybe get him close enough to the developmentally disabled kid he can no longer physically control, and he got what, $400k? I don't remember anyone telling me to wear a taqiyah to work that friday. A year later, faithful there say the racism against them has somehow gotten worse, although nobody's tried to murder the rest of them recently. Yeah yeah there are lots of tragedies and it's impossible to keep up with them all, you'd burn out or go broke etc etc., and of course you're going to identify with people who are most like yourself. But {insert your own comparison here} flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Playing Oppression Olympics is stupid but you can't deny that the coverage of the Humboldt thing has been driven, in large part, by the fact that they were a boys' junior hockey team. These are young boys and men, in the prime of their lives, from a good old rural part of the country, off to play  Canada's Game when they were tragically killed. It's got a lot of elements of a compelling story that resonates with our largely white, rural, hockey-loving country.  Since this is the Internet, I must disclaim that there is nothing wrong with being white, rural, male, or Canadian. You're allowed to love hockey. It's okay to feel grief over this and to feel sad. A lot of people can relate to it! I like to hope that we're all grown up enough to recognize that Loreto's point is that, had some circumstances been different, the amount of national and international coverage this is getting would be a lot different.Postess with the Mostest posted:She has an average of 28 tweets a day for the last 8 years, I'm guessing she knows how the 2/3 thing works. What do you think would have happened if all 3 had been together? The context wouldn't have changed much, it would have just diluted her main sentiment a bit. But she did it, she proved that white people hate being called racists. Groundbreaking stuff. I want to know how many of you wore hockey jerseys to work today because you didn't want to look like a heartless monster Twitter does threads now, and you don't actually have to do the 2/3 thing anymore. Threading is built right into the platform. The offending tweet was the second of four in a thread that you can still see linked to each other today. The first was just commenting on the Gofundme, which was up to like $4 million by the time Loreto tweeted about it, and the third actually said she doesn't want less for these families but more for others who don't get this kind of National Grief. https://twitter.com/NoLore/status/983160141309767684 Finally, let me leave you all with this. https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/984638540305879040
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PT6A posted:That was "twitter rear end in a top hat"'s point, actually. But don't let that get in the way of blaming her for being harassed. It's way beyond harassment now. I empathize, it must be tough being a fledgling freelance journalist. You need the twitter followers and impressions to make it easy to show magazines that people care what you think. You need to be a bit spicy and controversial to spark those conversations. The controversy only raises her profile if there's equal people on both sides of the conversation though. https://twitter.com/NoLore/status/950870452641165313 It's hard to explain the schadenfreude. It's not that she made a spicy tweet, she's just trying to make her way in capitalism, can't fault anyone for that. I feel like it's her general ideology, the divisiveness. Everything she writes divides us canadians by gender, skin color, religion and geography so it's nice to see that we can unite, prove her wrong and dislike her opinion as almost an entire country. The apology has to be coming though, probably containing the words timing and insensitive but the raw human spirit she's showing by dying on this tiny pedantic mole hill is already inspiring. Leofish posted:Twitter does threads now, and you don't actually have to do the 2/3 thing anymore. Threading is built right into the platform. The offending tweet was the second of four in a thread that you can still see linked to each other today. The first was just commenting on the Gofundme, which was up to like $4 million by the time Loreto tweeted about it, and the third actually said she doesn't want less for these families but more for others who don't get this kind of National Grief. If the 3rd was what she wanted express, she would have just said that. I think the 2/3 thing is still valid because you can still link to individual tweets right? I dunno, I hate trying to read twitter even more than reddit mostly because of the endless image macros
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Postess with the Mostest posted:If the 3rd was what she wanted express, she would have just said that. I think the 2/3 thing is still valid because you can still link to individual tweets right? I dunno, I hate trying to read twitter even more than reddit mostly because of the endless image macros I think we can all agree Twitter is bad.
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Jimbozig posted:I'm confused as to why people are acting so weird, but it's making everyone crazy, including this thread. It's sports
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let’s argue for another 10 pages about the correct way for people to process horrible events based on identity politics. this is a normal thing that empathetic human beings do.
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my morning jackass posted:let’s argue for another 10 pages about the correct way for people to process horrible events based on identity politics. this is a normal thing that empathetic human beings do. In trying to be ironic you managed to describe the status quo of society very accurately.
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Gerald Stanley's fund and the Quebec mosque shooting support campaign both raised around 230-240k* so let me laugh at you if you don't think this is about race or religion at all. *They both claim to have closed after meeting their goals for what it's worth.
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It's not "about" race or religion, they're just major factors that we'd prefer not to acknowledge*. *Anyone who tries to get us to acknowledge these factors is going to get pilloried and by gum, they've got it coming.
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Setting aside everything else, that individual tweet couldn’t have been more finely crafted to be taken out of context, intentionally or unintentionally, if she tried. Like gimme a transitioning “and” or “but” or “if” or something at either the beginning or end. 1. Anyone who says 2. I love Nazis 3. Should be punched in the face. Stickarts fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Twitter idiot's mistake was tweeting it. It's not like she was the only one thinking the exact same thing. I've been sharing similar sentiments with friends, family, and coworkers all week.. you know, people who know me well enough to understand I'm not evil or trying to deligitimize whatever feelings of grief they may be experiencing. Privilege shaming a bunch of dead teenagers was also not the most nuanced way to get the point across. I don't feel particularly bad for her. Hopefully it blows over soon and doesn't ruin her career.
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Jordan7hm posted:Man, gently caress that (...) defend idiots and assholes. 
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Man she’s getting death threats and you guys are being real lovely about it. If you don’t like her, stop talking about her.
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Jordan7hm posted:Man she’s getting death threats and you guys are being real lovely about it. BUT PEOPLE MUST KNOW HOW UPSET I AM THAT SOMEONE DARED TO HAVE AN OPINION AND A VAGINA AT THE SAME TIME, ON THE INTERNET!
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Math You posted:Twitter idiot's mistake was tweeting it. It's not like she was the only one thinking the exact same thing. I've been sharing similar sentiments with friends, family, and coworkers all week.. you know, people who know me well enough to understand I'm not evil or trying to deligitimize whatever feelings of grief they may be experiencing. It's okay that she is getting rape and death threats because are either too lazy or stupid to read 3 tweets in a row, got it. James Baud posted:Ruin her career? This is her moment to shine if she walks the line well (she may not have, be arsed if I'm reading twitter drama in detail). It could mean a bunch of media appearances re: sexism and harassment on social media, her Patreon campaign will be a smash hit for owning the prairie rurals, etc. It's okay that she is getting rape and death threats because she can spin them into a lucrative career opportunity, got it.
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I think she makes an interesting observation
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Jordan7hm posted:Man she’s getting death threats and you guys are being real lovely about it. Peterson is still a topic, that lady is an identity politics terrorist.
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I feel like it's possible to point out something was a bad move without suggesting the repercussions were deserved. littleorv posted:I think she makes an interesting observation I agree, my initial impression was certainly coloured by seeing the one tweet in isolation - but even with greater context it strikes me as taking a bit of familiarity with the subject, further discussion, or a certain level of open-mindedness that's typically lacking on social media platforms like twitter?
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James Baud posted:Ruin her career? This is her moment to shine if she walks the line well (she may not have, be arsed if I'm reading twitter drama in detail). It could mean a bunch of media appearances re: sexism and harassment on social media, her Patreon campaign will be a smash hit for owning the prairie rurals, etc.
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DariusLikewise posted:It's okay that she is getting rape and death threats because are either too lazy or stupid to read 3 tweets in a row, got it. No one's justifying the reaction. It was a dumb thing to say the way it was said, and SHOCKER posting something out in the world wide web where any idiot can read it and get offended has consequences. Violence or threats of it are never acceptable. You can be critical of someone without joining the lynch mob.
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So... you don't even disagree with her opinion, you just dislike that she had the temerity to express it in a public forum?
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infernal machines posted:So... you don't even disagree with her opinion, you just dislike that she had the temerity to express it in a public forum? I 100 percent agree with her opinion*. It was 100 percent a stupid idea to post it on the internet the way that she did. She could have said the same thing at least a few different ways without so openly privilege shaming a bunch of dead kids using words like whiteness and maleness. Dumb white people are triggered by poo poo like this and it doesn't hurt to speak in a more palatable fashion for a wider audience when it is such a touchy subject. Edit: Heaven forbid speaking in a way that might actually convince people about your argument, if it makes your tweets less edgy or woke. *I actually do kind of disagree with the maleness part. If it were a bus full of young women I don't think that would have lessoned the over reaction in Canada.. Math You fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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