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ToxicSlurpee posted:"Drunks" are non-dwarves that decide to try to be dwarves. They're "drunks" because that of course means giving up drinking anything that isn't booze. Dwarves are of course fine with drinking nothing but booze but non-dwarves are...well, less so. That's even more hilarious! Plus the goblin drunk has become upset at the site of the many many dead bodies from the constant invasions that want our artifacts and has begun to punch random people. She's not a citizen so I can't turn off her labors so she'll probably die in a fight in the next year.
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Caused something weird while channeling.
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Apr 9, 2018 18:07
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Moridin920 posted:I really am baffled at how complicated it is and yet at the same time so utterly useless for basic things like "when at 50 drinks make more until 200 drinks." The military system is excessively complicated for what most players need it to do, the burrow system is tedious to set up and honestly pointless outside of a basic "Get the gently caress inside and away from the megabeast" alert, the scholar/book-production system is complicated and doesn't really do anything for your fort, etc. But it's the same level of excessive complexity that lets your dwarves bite a goblin's teeth off & send them flying in an arc, so we love it anyway.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:14
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I don't think that's really accurate. The burrow system gives you a tremendous amount of flexibility that few players need or want, but is fantastic for certain narrow applications; I really appreciate having that kind of power. The military system is really badly designed in usability (far more so than burrows, honestly) but again, the ability to set up rotating patrols and automatic responses to invasions is surprisingly useful if you're one of the ten people on earth who understand the UI well enough to implement them. On the other hand, from my perspective DF's depth of simulation is mostly useless clutter that does nothing but eat FPS and introduce weird bugs (or "intended behavior" that ruins my plans, like how the patch that introduced stress caused domesticated animals to attack dwarves when they try to path through crowded spaces at the same time -- that completely hosed my attempt at raising guard hydras.  )
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Apr 9, 2018 20:22
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Yeah, DF is ToadyOne's pet storybuilder project. While I do hope that someday the game side of things gets a major programming overhaul, in the meantime I mostly just appreciate this nonsense existing. On that note, 'the severed part flies off in an arc!' has to be one of the most weirdly hilarious descriptors in the game. That specific word choice sets up the weird expectation that maybe sometimes the bits severed in combat AREN'T going to obey the law of gravity and will just go zooming linearly away. Or maybe they're going to follow a wave pattern of motion instead. Granted, enchanted weapons would probably be able to do that sort of thing if he chooses to implement them; the old old OLD pre-DF magic system let you do stupid things like teleport your own brain outside of your body with obviously fatal results, after all.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:27
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I should clarify -- I really do mean "mostly" when I say that about the depth of simulation. Sometimes it produces wonderful things, like for example how you can trick captured Giant Cave Spiders into firing webs through fortifications and then collect them. I just wish more of it were aimed at functional / interactive aspects like that, where the player can do something meaningful with it or about it.
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Apr 9, 2018 20:30
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When you get a bookkeeper you should be able to do inventory and assign tasks from the inventory.
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Apr 9, 2018 21:29
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Pretty sure the role you're looking for is manager.
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Apr 10, 2018 02:09
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Glory to Italia!
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I've always wanted to make a society where everyone has their own home, their own farms, etc. So you keep people in their own homes and out of others via burrows. It just seems so insane to set up.
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Apr 10, 2018 07:03
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poo poo's gonna be crazy if the Dwarven Economy gets re-implemented.
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Apr 10, 2018 08:42
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Lpzie posted:I've always wanted to make a society where everyone has their own home, their own farms, etc. So you keep people in their own homes and out of others via burrows. It just seems so insane to set up. Yeah, to do it with burrows ever person would need their own burrow including their home, workplace, and all the public service rooms. And it wouldn't work at all for haulers. People mostly don't go in other's rooms. You can assign a bedroom to a dwarf and generally only their spouse and minor children will enter. They won't share an office or dining room with their family, but they will use any furniture they own so if you put tables and chairs in their 'bedroom' they'll use them. Workshops can also be assigned to just one person. Not sure about farms. You could even set it up with the classic 'living quarters over the shop' arrangement if you wanted so everyone lives as close as possible to their workplace. It would be a pain to manually assign every bedroom and workplace, but not as much of a pain as trying to draw it out with 150 individual burrows. They wouldn't own the products of their workplace though. Haulers would still barge into work places to gather things for the stockpiles. Facebook Aunt fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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Apr 10, 2018 09:36
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I tried to put craftsmen over the shop they work in once but it's unworkable, usually because spouses can have wildly different jobs and you still want certain shops to be near other shops for efficiency, put in stockpiles and stuff and I could never figure out a good layout but I might be severely lacking in the power of autism.
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Apr 10, 2018 10:21
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Facebook Aunt posted:Yeah, to do it with burrows ever person would need their own burrow including their home, workplace, and all the public service rooms. And it wouldn't work at all for haulers. So dwarves can own the means of production, but not the product of their labour.
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Apr 10, 2018 10:50
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Partially Automated Luxury Gay Subterranean Communism From each according to his moods, to each according to his increasingly quixotic demands.
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Apr 10, 2018 11:00
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Shibawanko posted:I tried to put craftsmen over the shop they work in once but it's unworkable, usually because spouses can have wildly different jobs and you still want certain shops to be near other shops for efficiency, put in stockpiles and stuff and I could never figure out a good layout but I might be severely lacking in the power of autism. I imagine the easiest way would be a strict "1 professional per family" rule. You married the best mason in the fort? Congratulations, you're a hauler.
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Am I the only one who feels that the raiding and stuff adds nothing? I agree with the discussion above that there are granular parts of the game that make it more interesting (personally I love the books even though they don't really do anything), but that some things just eat FPS. Raiding is just kind of this offscreen thing your dwarves do that feels more like numbers than anything that really happens.
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Apr 10, 2018 15:52
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Shibawanko posted:Am I the only one who feels that the raiding and stuff adds nothing? I agree with the discussion above that there are granular parts of the game that make it more interesting (personally I love the books even though they don't really do anything), but that some things just eat FPS. Raiding is just kind of this offscreen thing your dwarves do that feels more like numbers than anything that really happens. In the next version you’ll be able to watch the dwarves in realtime as if it was fortress mode. But they needed to impliment the back end of ‘send dwarves to different map chunks and let them do things then come back’ part first. Like most things each step is one piece of a bigger puzzle for some scenario that toady ad threetoe came up with a decade ago.
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Apr 10, 2018 16:11
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My favorite use of burrows is to make a guest tavern that my dwarves aren't allowed to visit. Preferably behind a floodgate of magma or in the caverns.
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Apr 10, 2018 21:18
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M_Gargantua posted:In the next version you’ll be able to watch the dwarves in realtime as if it was fortress mode. But they needed to impliment the back end of ‘send dwarves to different map chunks and let them do things then come back’ part first. Well that sounds cool I guess. I should never win the lottery because I'd immediately buy parts to build a nitrogen cooling Dwarf Fortress-only PC
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Shibawanko posted:Am I the only one who feels that the raiding and stuff adds nothing? I agree with the discussion above that there are granular parts of the game that make it more interesting (personally I love the books even though they don't really do anything), but that some things just eat FPS. Raiding is just kind of this offscreen thing your dwarves do that feels more like numbers than anything that really happens. It could be cool to set up a museum of stolen relics, I guess. I always used to set up a "zoo" and statue garden just because I thought a community should have some public recreation spaces besides the mess hall.
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Facebook Aunt posted:It could be cool to set up a museum of stolen relics, I guess. I always used to set up a "zoo" and statue garden just because I thought a community should have some public recreation spaces besides the mess hall. What about the bestiarii/colosseum where naked goblins fight to the death with wild animals?
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There have been countless amazing mods for this game and utility programs. When, when, will someone make some sort of UI or tool to make controlling the military not poo poo?
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TerryLennox posted:What about the bestiarii/colosseum where naked goblins fight to the death with wild animals? Nah, not a fan. Though I did once put the cage full of goblins and un-butcherable creatures on the end of a pier over a 6 story drop outdoors and then pull the lever. So all the things clogging up my screens would fight, die, or run off the map. Honestly I'd prefer they just ran off the map, but most things are real reluctant to do that.
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Apr 12, 2018 02:26
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Is there a height that , if dropped from, nothing will survive the fall. Like whats the minimum death height.
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Hihohe posted:Is there a height that , if dropped from, nothing will survive the fall. Like whats the minimum death height. I'm not sure if it's enough to kill literally anything, but according to the wiki, units reach terminal velocity after 52 z-levels, and the density of the material on the ground also has an effect on damage. So if anything can survive a 52 z-level drop onto slade, it can survive any drop.
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The last goblin thief that blundered into a cage trap I threw into the empty floodgate-locked pit with a random troglodyte I'd thrown in there like a year before and forgotten about. They battled for like 3 weeks while intermittently puking and passing out simultaneously, and finally the troglodyte triumphed and got a custom name for his trouble. He met his demise a couple months later at the hands of a troll, but I had a gold statue of his glorious striking down of the goblin thief made and set up in the library. Basically what I'm saying is I love Dwarf Fortress.
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How do you disable the dfhack thing of jumping the cursor to the "ground"? I'm trying to build a floor over the sea but it keeps jumping down to the sea bed and I can't designate the floors into open space.
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I'm going to recreated the sacred band of thebes using a gays-only dwarf military squad. Thematic, yes, but it also avoids the problem of dwarves carrying babies into combat.
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Apr 13, 2018 20:58
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You might want to bump up the gay occurrence rate a bit then, I hardly ever get gay dwarves.
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Apr 13, 2018 21:07
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Pharnakes posted:You might want to bump up the gay occurrence rate a bit then, I hardly ever get gay dwarves. I've got fifteen!
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Apr 13, 2018 21:17
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JonBolds posted:I've got fifteen! Is that enough, though? Never enough meat for the grinder.... Which is a poor choice of phrase given the situation. Still. Lotsa squads!
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Oh jesus, here I go again setting up a new fort. Last time I played, I remember I wanted to limit the number of living entities on my map at any given point, as having 200 dorfs will quickly cause FPS death with how much stuff is tracked. What's some good numbers to use to help avoid that? I'm thinking just halve all the default values like population cap, child cap, invasion cap, etc etc, and that should be fine? Yes? No?
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neogeo0823 posted:Oh jesus, here I go again setting up a new fort. Last time I played, I remember I wanted to limit the number of living entities on my map at any given point, as having 200 dorfs will quickly cause FPS death with how much stuff is tracked. What's some good numbers to use to help avoid that? I'm thinking just halve all the default values like population cap, child cap, invasion cap, etc etc, and that should be fine? Yes? No? I think he improved fps a bit
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Lawman 0 posted:I think he improved fps a bit So just sticking with the default 220 cap and other defaults should be fine then? Or...?
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Apr 14, 2018 01:30
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Just cap it at 20 and enjoy a peaceful life.
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Apr 14, 2018 03:51
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Or embrace the fact that managing the processor demand is a primary gameplay element.
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I cannot do this thing and now live vicariously through the efforts of you brave souls.
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Lpzie posted:Just cap it at 20 and enjoy a peaceful life. Seconding this. I have two caps I regularly play at, 20 and 40 -- often switching from one to the other mid-game, with 40 being for if I want to do more extensive military stuff. You will probably also want to lower the invader cap -- 120 goblins with 40 wargs and trolls is a bit much for a military of 10-20 dwarves. Similarly, lowering the visitor cap is also probably wise unless you want five useless layabouts for every dwarf in your fort. The animal population cap is unfortunately hard-coded (it's 50 per species OR more than 3 young for each adult, after which members of that species will not get pregnant / lay eggs) but you can deal with this by just butchering extras or not having them in the first place. There are a number of modding changes that make this more manageable/fun, as well. Megabeasts and semi-megabeasts can be edited in creature_standard.txt to have lower population thresholds for invasion -- turn down the first value in [ATTACK_TRIGGER:X:Y:Z] to your intended population cap. Randomly-generated titans work similarly to megabeasts but their thresholds are set at world creation, so make sure you adjust that if you want titans. Forbidden Beasts appear to operate on their own, bizarre and possibly hardcoded logic so you'll get them anyways (almost) no matter what you do. I'm a dumbass! Civ-level thief / raid / invasion / trade triggers are in entity_default, not creature_standard. You're looking for these tags: code:You might also want to mod dwarven noble positions to trigger at lower population values but personally I'm more than happy to simply leave those mechanics unused. 
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my computer is good enough that unless I'm being invaded by tons of demons that spit clouds everywhere my FPS usually remains fine with 100+ dwarves so I just have autolabor on all the time and don't worry about my caps I love not microing in this game. let god sort these dwarves out
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I think I'm gonna test out autolabor or that new cavern keeper app
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