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Ceciltron posted:My dude if you are confusing permission with non-interference on account of grammar I don't know what to tell you. Well considering forums poster therobit didn't have any actual power over the situation (I'm assuming) and the US did in fact intervene, then saying Iran needed permission (and didn't get it) from the West is pretty accurate. That's what he's talking about, not making a grammatical argument.
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Peven Stan is saying that the problem is that the west is militarily strong enough to intervene, not making any kind of moral statement. He's taking the viewpoint of non-western-backed dictators. To be fair, it's a underappreciated viewpoint.
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hypnophant posted:Peven Stan is saying that the problem is that the west is militarily strong enough to intervene, not making any kind of moral statement. He's taking the viewpoint of non-western-backed dictators. To be fair, it's a underappreciated viewpoint. Sometimes I’m sympathetic. Of course we can all denounce dictators and authoritarian governments everywhere. My biggest pet peeve is when western backed dictatorships gets a free pass in the interest of geopolitics and everyone’s quiet about it. There’s barely any reflection or discussion about past transgressions. How the gently caress does Michael Bolton get to be back on the job. And sign the god drat land mine treaty everyone
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caberham posted:Sometimes I’m sympathetic. Of course we can all denounce dictators and authoritarian governments everywhere. What's done is done and we need to move forward, cabe.
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Oh and I went to a few factories in Shenzhen and Dong Guan this week. I saw a spray painting facility which supplies the painting for all the Chinese factories of a global Swedish furniture brand. Turns out mandated minimum wage in Shenzhen is around 2110 rmb a month and dongguan is 1770 rmb a month. But you can’t hire anyone to work in the factories with this pay so it’s “inflated” to around 4K in dongguan - uglier /shitter /hazardous factories pay more. I got a car ride back to Hong Kong last night because I wanted to clean my house before my CHINESE wife comes back from China. I’m on a morning train to an expo in Guangzhou and it’s a nice cheap comfortable train which arrives on time. Yes there are muted dumb silly propaganda videos of BNR and silly dancing. I also got a little cranky this morning and told off at a small time Italian douchebag business expat for his bad etiquette in the train (with the support of the train staff of course). Crossing customs with biometric ID is a breeze but post security theatre is dumb. But I’m mentioning this train ride and work trip because Fojar can read about decent public transportation and identity issue self loathing Pevan Uncle loving Wongstan can jerk off in his mother’s basement in armpit USA about people who actually live in China making a decent living. While weirdo goons like GTA can just in the sidelines and say that’s “cool buddy let me buy you a beer” and post “lol” caberham fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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Is the US even backing any dictators other than the Saudis any more? Even they're not (well, barely) getting a free pass with the Yemen situation, and at least the last administration was trying to put a little pressure on them
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caberham posted:My biggest pet peeve is when western backed dictatorships gets a free pass in the interest of geopolitics and everyone’s quiet about it. There’s barely any reflection or discussion about past transgressions. How the gently caress does Michael Bolton get to be back on the job. I'm something of a believer in what might be called trident theory: horseshoe theory isn't so much wrong as incomplete, because there are authoritarians in the center too. One form this centrist authoritarianism takes is apologia for Saudi Arabia by comfortable American op-ed writers. Another form, to relate this back to the thread topic, is Tom Friedman's "China for a day" fantasies.
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hypnophant posted:Is the US even backing any dictators other than the Saudis any more? Even they're not (well, barely) getting a free pass with the Yemen situation, and at least the last administration was trying to put a little pressure on them http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42020-us-provides-military-assistance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships e: lol at "Even they're not (well, barely) getting a free pass with the Yemen situation, and at least the last administration was trying to put a little pressure on them"... the US is providing weapons and logistics and has actually put troops on the ground fart simpson fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Apr 13, 2018 |
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hypnophant posted:Is the US even backing any dictators other than the Saudis any more? Even they're not (well, barely) getting a free pass with the Yemen situation, and at least the last administration was trying to put a little pressure on them It's primarily Saudi Arabia, but I believe the US still gives some military aid to Egypt as well, for one. And "a little pressure" is being overly generous; the Obama administration gave Saudi Arabia an almost completely free hand there. There does seem to finally be some movement in Congress against what Saudi Arabia is doing in Yemen, but not a majority yet.
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fart simpson posted:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42020-us-provides-military-assistance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships Having reviewed that link, I'm comfortable with what I said. A few hundred thousand dollars worth of arms sales and some token IMET training does not support for a dictatorship make.
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sincx posted:One could argue that the US provides hundreds of billions of dollars of net annual support to the biggest dictatorship in the world... One can argue whatever you want, it gets a bit tricky though with made up "facts". Good Luck with that.
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hypnophant posted:Having reviewed that link, I'm comfortable with what I said. A few hundred thousand dollars worth of arms sales and some token IMET training does not support for a dictatorship make. Yes it does, especially for a country that claims to support & encourage the spread of democracy around the world
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The US 100% still supports dictators, has done, will continue to do it, but we promise to feel bad about it sometimes
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a discussion about how bad USA is...in the.. *rubs eyes* CHINA D&D THREAD!?!
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The Great Autismo! posted:a discussion about how bad USA is...in the.. It’s hard to overstate how bad America is so it’s understandable
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The Great Autismo! posted:a discussion about how bad USA is...in the.. This is the thread where we discuss how similar China is to the US, so it holds up.
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fart simpson posted:http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42020-us-provides-military-assistance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships The US is not sending any money to support the Chinese dictatorship? Sad!
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fart simpson posted:It’s hard to overstate how bad America is so it’s understandable need
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fart simpson posted:It’s hard to overstate how bad America is so it’s understandable I mean nerd
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Meanwhile, in Beijing, the government is accelerating the construction of special zones to better house and keep the foreigners all together in the same place...The Global Times posted:China's capital city issued an official document on April 2 aiming to attract more foreign talents to live and work in the Chinese capital.
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yay, more bubbles for the worst people on the planet to coalesce
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R. Guyovich posted:yay, more bubbles for the worst people on the planet to coalesce No, you misunderstand, the zones aren't for old Chinese people
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R. Guyovich posted:yay, more bubbles for the worst people on the planet to coalesce I didn’t know fart simpson was moving to Beijing
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Though to be fair, "international zones" are a terrible idea for terrible people. If you want to live with Western people in the same kind of luxury you had in your own country, then why the gently caress are you in China??
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The Great Autismo! posted:I didn’t know fart simpson was moving to Beijing
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Trammel posted:Meanwhile, in Beijing, the government is accelerating the construction of special zones to better house and keep the foreigners all together in the same place... Is this the zone no toddlers with open making GBS threads pants is allowed? Lol.
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Pee is stored in the balls?
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I read this thread to educate myself. I know very little about china, and I think is important to get some information from that area of the world. The in-fighting in this thread confuse me. But I think is a small price we have to pay to fight propaganda or biased opinions. I am thankful to everyone in this thread for giving these small snippets of vision of what is china and whats goin on in china.
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You’re welcome mate
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Tei posted:I read this thread to educate myself. Friend, you’ve come to the right place. fart simpson posted:Pee is stored in the balls
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Darkest Auer posted:Though to be fair, "international zones" are a To make a ridiculous amount of money, why the gently caress else would someone work overseas.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:To make a ridiculous amount of money, why the gently caress else would someone work overseas. Criminal history
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Barudak posted:Criminal history The French Foreign Legion is always hiring.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:To make a ridiculous amount of money, why the gently caress else would someone work overseas. I read it as, why would you go to China to work in a fancy ghetto that could pass for any major Western city and has mainly other white people when you get have the authentic experience by renting an apartment like anyone else. I also imagine it's harder to date locals if you're segregated off to a Legation city.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I read it as, why would you go to China to work in a fancy ghetto that could pass for any major Western city and has mainly other white people when you get have the authentic experience by renting an apartment like anyone else. Yeah, it's this. If you live in an "international zone" you get all the bad parts of China (shoddy construction, pollution, terrible infrastructure etc.) and none of the good (food, daily markets, normal daily life etc.).
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So basically the latest idea that China has stolen from the US is San Francisco
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Darkest Auer posted:Yeah, it's this. If you live in an "international zone" you get all the bad parts of China (shoddy construction, pollution, terrible infrastructure etc.) and none of the good (food, daily markets, normal daily life etc.). You’ve kind of described Ürümqi in the past couple of years.
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