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Flash Gordon Ramsay: Sep 28, 2004; Grimey Drawer

The computer store I worked at in the mid 90s had daily matches of Marathon 2 (and Infinity) once the owner would leave for the day. Which at one point led to the sales manager calling the receptionist a oval office during a match. Fun times.

Speaking of Bungie games, did anyone here play Myth? I never got into it but it seemed like a great property that just disappeared once Bungie was sold.

# ? Apr 12, 2018 18:38

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# ? May 21, 2024 15:41

Lowen SoDium: Jun 5, 2003; Highen Fiber; Clapping Larry

My point was that with Quake's single player being lack luster and internet multiplayer being the bigger draw (at least for me) I never thought that the console ports of it were ever anything anyone would care about.

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:07

flavor.flv: Apr 18, 2008; I got a letter from the government the other day
opened it, read it
it said they was bitches

Trabant posted:

We do have Quake to thank for SA, he posted appropriately enough in the Tech Relics thread.

I was baffled that CS became the phenomenon it did when Action HL was soooo much more fun.

Ricochet was too far ahead of its time. If it had come out ten years later It would be the centrepiece of every e-sports tournament on the planet

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:08

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

Speaking of Bungie games, did anyone here play Myth? I never got into it but it seemed like a great property that just disappeared once Bungie was sold.

There was a third Myth game. It was developed by another company, after Bungie were bought by Microsoft. It received mixed reviews.

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:11

Prism: Dec 22, 2007; yospos

Sweevo posted:

Yep. Someone needs to tell iD that good level design isn't an endless series of monster closets.

Wait, then where do you put the monsters?

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:14

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

RandomFerret posted:

Ricochet was too far ahead of its time. If it had come out ten years later It would be the centrepiece of every e-sports tournament on the planet

As I understand it, Ricochet was an experiment to make a base game really really quickly, release it as a free update to HL1 and then add more stuff to it gradually over time. Half-Life 2 kind of took precedence, though, and that "add stuff" part was completely forgotten, so now it's entire existence is basically just a weird internal in-joke of some kind.

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:14

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:

The computer store I worked at in the mid 90s had daily matches of Marathon 2 (and Infinity) once the owner would leave for the day. Which at one point led to the sales manager calling the receptionist a oval office during a match. Fun times.

Speaking of Bungie games, did anyone here play Myth? I never got into it but it seemed like a great property that just disappeared once Bungie was sold.

When Microsoft bought Bungie, part of the deal involved the distributor keeping the rights to Myth. They produced Myth 3 without Bungie involvement and it was apparently so bad it killed the series.

I got in trouble in high school because I hijacked a computer lab for Marathon 2 matches one lunch period (Foolproof was easy as gently caress to counter). It was great because Doom players didn't comprehend a Y axis.

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:15

Computer viking: May 30, 2011; Now with less breakage.

Lowen SoDium posted:

My point was that with Quake's single player being lack luster and internet multiplayer being the bigger draw (at least for me) I never thought that the console ports of it were ever anything anyone would care about.

It was perhaps the first big shooter where the multiplayer was more of a selling point than the single player - Doom MP was certainly a thing, but by the time of quake you were that much more likely to have access to a suitable LAN. Which, indeed, makes a console port back before internet-by-default a bit odd.

Personally, I played a lot of Q1 in junior high (or however that translates - I was ~15) - I remember our math teacher being a fan and finding excuses to end classes a few minutes early and unlocking the computer lab for us to use over long breaks.

(Tech relic: "computer lab" with random office PCs that were none the less ok for playing a cutting edge 3D game)

Computer viking has a new favorite as of 19:44 on Apr 12, 2018

# ? Apr 12, 2018 19:40

Negostrike: Aug 15, 2015

Jerry Cotton posted:

That would be because it's literally poo poo.

You didn't really play it, did you?
What do you even consider "good single player"? :psyduck:

# ? Apr 12, 2018 20:39

Dr. Quarex: Apr 18, 2003; I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Jerry Cotton posted:

That would be because it's literally poo poo.

Yeah pretty much. The most vicious arguments I remember from the mid-1990s on my BBS were "is Myst or Mario 64 a better-looking game" and "is Quake or Duke Nukem better" and I have the feeling the anger is still just as raw decades later

# ? Apr 13, 2018 02:29

GutBomb: Jun 15, 2005; Dude?

I really liked the Quake single player. I bought a $5 CD that was the shareware version of Quake but it also had the full version unlockable right on the CD, as well as the rest of id's games up to that point available for unlock and purchase. Of course a crack was available and it was amazing. Quake also used Redbook CD audio for all of it's NIN music so the music worked on a regular CD player too. The music was pretty cool in the game but most of it heard out of context was a bit weird.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 02:50

TraderStav: May 19, 2006; It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

GutBomb posted:

I really liked the Quake single player. I bought a $5 CD that was the shareware version of Quake but it also had the full version unlockable right on the CD, as well as the rest of id's games up to that point available for unlock and purchase. Of course a crack was available and it was amazing. Quake also used Redbook CD audio for all of it's NIN music so the music worked on a regular CD player too. The music was pretty cool in the game but most of it heard out of context was a bit weird.

Just not the first track!

Loved the music. You also could put in any other CD you wanted and it'd play it.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 02:54

GutBomb: Jun 15, 2005; Dude?

I think my CD player was new enough at the time to ignore the data tracks. It would just start playing audio on the 2nd track.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 02:59

Plinkey: Aug 4, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

GutBomb posted:

I really liked the Quake single player. I bought a $5 CD that was the shareware version of Quake but it also had the full version unlockable right on the CD, as well as the rest of id's games up to that point available for unlock and purchase. Of course a crack was available and it was amazing. Quake also used Redbook CD audio for all of it's NIN music so the music worked on a regular CD player too. The music was pretty cool in the game but most of it heard out of context was a bit weird.

I think I started Quake with Quake II and thought the single player was pretty good.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 03:07

Mak0rz: Aug 2, 2008; 😎🐗🚬

Ultimate* Doom and Quake have better single player campaigns than their sequels :can:

* I need to stress Ultimate Doom because this statement is false if you don't include the fourth episode

# ? Apr 13, 2018 03:54

oohhboy: Jun 8, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Trabant posted:

We do have Quake to thank for SA, he posted appropriately enough in the Tech Relics thread.

I was baffled that CS became the phenomenon it did when Action HL was soooo much more fun.

Hasn't Action HL turn into Urban Terror or am I making a mistaken connection?

# ? Apr 13, 2018 08:01

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

TraderStav posted:

Just not the first track!

Loved the music. You also could put in any other CD you wanted and it'd play it.

The original release of Carmageddon had all the soundtrack in redbook audio. We used to crank that all the time thinking it was the coolest stuff. Then maybe 5 years later I found out about Fear Factory, became a fan, then bought all the old albums. My mind exploded when I realised that Caramgeddon sountrack is just a instrumental version of the Demanufacture album.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 09:44

A FUCKIN CANARY!!: Nov 9, 2005

One of the first things I did after getting my first CD burner was make a Carmageddon disc with the instrumental Fear Factory tracks replaced with the album versions. Owns, especially with the title track.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 09:59

Collateral Damage: Jun 13, 2009

Total Annihilation had the in game music as audio tracks on the CD as well, and I really liked the bombastic orchestral score of it.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 10:17

Beve Stuscemi: Jun 6, 2001

This thread reminded me of http://attrition.org/

# ? Apr 13, 2018 14:57

Trabant: Nov 26, 2011; All systems nominal.

oohhboy posted:

Hasn't Action HL turn into Urban Terror or am I making a mistaken connection?

I think Urban Terror was a Quake thing? Probably inspired by Action, but unrelated as far as I remember.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 17:04

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

I found this beauty hanging out in a disused area of the shop today:

# ? Apr 13, 2018 18:18

Bloopsy: Jun 1, 2006; you have been visited by the Tasty Garlic Bread. you will be blessed by having good Garlic Bread in your life time, but only if you comment "ty garlic bread" in the thread below

Iron Crowned posted:

I found this beauty hanging out in a disused area of the shop today:

Nice find!

# ? Apr 13, 2018 18:36

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:

One of the first things I did after getting my first CD burner was make a Carmageddon disc with the instrumental Fear Factory tracks replaced with the album versions. Owns, especially with the title track.

I like your style. Will have to have to spin up a VM and play it again with the album versions.

# ? Apr 14, 2018 00:45

SLOSifl: Aug 10, 2002

Iron Crowned posted:

I found this beauty hanging out in a disused area of the shop today:

Careful, that is the only way to load the CNC machine�s base OS that enables the DOS-based floppy reader. They tried to replace it in 2003 but it literally has to be that tape deck. If anyone shuts it off we�re hosed without Ol� Squeaky.

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Queen_Combat: Jan 15, 2011

Go fast typing tutor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suAy6GGx-Zw

"Multi-key typing!"

# ? Apr 14, 2018 03:54

Beve Stuscemi: Jun 6, 2001

SLOSifl posted:

Careful, that is the only way to load the CNC machine�s base OS that enables the DOS-based floppy reader. They tried to replace it in 2003 but it literally has to be that tape deck. If anyone shuts it off we�re hosed without Ol� Squeaky.

This is hilariously omnipresent in manufacturing.

I used to work for what was at the time the largest convertible top manufacturer in the world (most car manufacturers outsource the manufacture of convertible tops). The entire assembly line for all of the tops was run by a single DOS computer. The company that made the software that it ran no longer supported it as of like 20 years prior and there wasn�t even anyone who worked at the vendor who knew it anymore.

Being the resident �old computer guy� I was tasked with fixing the ancient DOS computer when it stopped working. Sometimes this was as simple as a reboot, sometimes it was hardware related (of course all the hardware interfaces were proprietary), sometimes it was a mystery.

Anyway, most all of the manufacturers ran a JIT inventory system, meaning we made and shipped he amount of tops this week that they planned to build into convertible cars next week, on demand, essentially. What this meant is every time that machine went down I had the various reps for the different manufacturers standing around watching the clock. If it went over certain delivery times for instance they would have to call say, VW headquarters and tell them they would have to postpone Cabrio manufacturing for a day next week. The timetables were all insanely tight.

I personally apologize to anyone who had to wait an extra week or whatever to take delivery of their drop top lambo in the early 2000�s, my bad.

# ? Apr 14, 2018 13:58

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

This is hilariously omnipresent in manufacturing.

I used to work for what was at the time the largest convertible top manufacturer in the world (most car manufacturers outsource the manufacture of convertible tops). The entire assembly line for all of the tops was run by a single DOS computer. The company that made the software that it ran no longer supported it as of like 20 years prior and there wasn�t even anyone who worked at the vendor who knew it anymore.

Being the resident �old computer guy� I was tasked with fixing the ancient DOS computer when it stopped working. Sometimes this was as simple as a reboot, sometimes it was hardware related (of course all the hardware interfaces were proprietary), sometimes it was a mystery.

Anyway, most all of the manufacturers ran a JIT inventory system, meaning we made and shipped he amount of tops this week that they planned to build into convertible cars next week, on demand, essentially. What this meant is every time that machine went down I had the various reps for the different manufacturers standing around watching the clock. If it went over certain delivery times for instance they would have to call say, VW headquarters and tell them they would have to postpone Cabrio manufacturing for a day next week. The timetables were all insanely tight.

I personally apologize to anyone who had to wait an extra week or whatever to take delivery of their drop top lambo in the early 2000�s, my bad.

I love things like this. "Sorry, you can't have your $200,000 top of the line super car because a DOS computer isn't working."

# ? Apr 14, 2018 19:02

Beve Stuscemi: Jun 6, 2001

Cojawfee posted:

I love things like this. "Sorry, you can't have your $200,000 top of the line super car because a DOS computer isn't working."

It really was amazing any of it worked at all. Just look at this list:

Volkswagen
Audi
Porsche
Mercedes
BMW
Lamborghini
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Ford
Chevy
Chrysler

Those are just the ones I remember. All of those manufacturers convertible tops, run by one ancient 486.

# ? Apr 15, 2018 03:59

Humphreys: Jan 26, 2013; We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

It really was amazing any of it worked at all. Just look at this list:

Volkswagen
Audi
Porsche
Mercedes
BMW
Lamborghini
Nissan
Mitsubishi
Ford
Chevy
Chrysler

Those are just the ones I remember. All of those manufacturers convertible tops, run by one ancient 486.

Surely it's updated to WinME now!

# ? Apr 15, 2018 05:56

1000 Brown M and Ms: Oct 22, 2008; F:\DL>quickfli 4-clowns.fli

I actually saw a job ad for a Fortran developer earlier this year. Similar thing, legacy equipment/software that needs looking after and no-one at the company knows how

# ? Apr 15, 2018 07:00

A FUCKIN CANARY!!: Nov 9, 2005

Up until four years ago, the factory I work at was doing payroll stuff on a VT102 connected to god knows what crazy poo poo from the early 80s. They only moved away from it because the monitor broke down.

# ? Apr 15, 2018 08:40

Humbug Scoolbus: Apr 25, 2008; The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.; Clapping Larry

Quote-Unquote posted:

My good man let me introduce you to a little thing called GetRight, to ensure your downloads always get completed!

poo poo, I'm 15-20 years too late, aren't I?

edit: lol GetRight still exists.

The thing that wrecked me was the fact that the original Demo for Kingpin Life of Crime was 109MB. We downloaded it on the Optical at work because even with ISDN, it would have taken forever.

# ? Apr 15, 2018 18:14

Trabant: Nov 26, 2011; All systems nominal.

A couple of relatively recent examples of ancient hardware still in use:

C64 used for balancing driveshafts (I think) in a mechanic's shop in Poland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqA8YBwwCl0

And an Amiga 2000 that ran (still runs?) HVAC for 19 schools: http://www.woodtv.com/news/grand-rapids/1980s-computer-controls-grps-heat-and-ac_20180329064517550/1086705524

Basically, Commodore products will outlive us all.

# ? Apr 15, 2018 18:32

Dr. Quarex: Apr 18, 2003; I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

At my government agency they are constantly threatening to finally take away our text-based database system with ANSI-caliber graphics and replace it with a web version ... that looks basically the same, other than not being accessed through some kind of secure telnet-ish thing that is apparently just an emulation of the original connection and HOW DOES THIS MADNESS STILL EXIST

# ? Apr 16, 2018 01:18

Queen_Combat: Jan 15, 2011

Dr. Quarex posted:

At my government agency they are constantly threatening to finally take away our text-based database system with ANSI-caliber graphics and replace it with a web version ... that looks basically the same, other than not being accessed through some kind of secure telnet-ish thing that is apparently just an emulation of the original connection and HOW DOES THIS MADNESS STILL EXIST

Add to that, isn't there some government regulation (US, at least) that states all webpages must be readable by a blind/VA assist program, and that's why a lot of websites are ancient and still use iframes and such?

# ? Apr 16, 2018 01:24

Cojawfee: May 31, 2006; I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

I forget what the server was for, but I remember my supervisor showing me the old sun box in a comm closet that was doing something important. He was afraid to ever shut it down or reboot it because the hard drive probably would not spin back up. Eventually we moved to a new site and that box was shut down and sent to whatever device smashes classified computers.

# ? Apr 16, 2018 01:26

Dr. Quarex: Apr 18, 2003; I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Add to that, isn't there some government regulation (US, at least) that states all webpages must be readable by a blind/VA assist program, and that's why a lot of websites are ancient and still use iframes and such?

Oh probably, bringing to mind the time I was briefly pulled off my normal job duties to test hundreds of individual webpages for use on mobile devices, and the ADA compliance (or equivalent) was definitely some substantial part of why it seemed to take forever to actually declare a page ready to go.

# ? Apr 16, 2018 01:35

shovelbum: Oct 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

edit: wrong thread, meant for obsolete technology thread

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GI_Clutch: Aug 22, 2000; by Fluffdaddy; Dinosaur Gum

Metal Geir Skogul posted:

Add to that, isn't there some government regulation (US, at least) that states all webpages must be readable by a blind/VA assist program, and that's why a lot of websites are ancient and still use iframes and such?

Not just web pages, but almost anything. We had a state government that kept bugging us about not meeting one of the contract requirements for 508 compliance, even though they were made aware the product they were asking us to implement is not 508 compliant before signing the contract. What kind of software, you ask? Why, document imaging software! How surprising that a system they want to populate with scanned images is not fully accessible to the blind.

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