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Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
I'm a bit confused as to what Proteus Jones's usual typing position is, because my normal typing position has my fingers on the home row and my thumb in the middle of the space bar, so regardless of how I want to hit it it's a pretty serious movement or contortion to reach the alt key. Compare with the ctrl key which is just a slight rotation of the hand to get the pinky down there.

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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Jabor posted:

I'm a bit confused as to what Proteus Jones's usual typing position is, because my normal typing position has my fingers on the home row and my thumb in the middle of the space bar, so regardless of how I want to hit it it's a pretty serious movement or contortion to reach the alt key. Compare with the ctrl key which is just a slight rotation of the hand to get the pinky down there.

Curl left hand slightly, middle and index fingers land on alt and spacebar. :shrug:

Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

How can you even comfortably crouch jump without using Control and Space?

-e-
Oh, Alt...

Remember keeping a button pressed in a game just to have Windows interrupt to tell you about sticky keys?

Lurking Haro has a new favorite as of 13:31 on Apr 13, 2018

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.
This tangent makes me remember that I use right Control/Alt/Shift/Windows keys so rarely they might as well not exist.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Buttcoin purse posted:

It's this, AFAIK. Alt is a bit of a stretch to hit, I think, although it's not too bad, not like Ctrl. I guess it's not far from the Windows key, which is the Windows way of starting a program, though, so not that big of a deal.

Jabor posted:

I'm a bit confused as to what Proteus Jones's usual typing position is, because my normal typing position has my fingers on the home row and my thumb in the middle of the space bar, so regardless of how I want to hit it it's a pretty serious movement or contortion to reach the alt key. Compare with the ctrl key which is just a slight rotation of the hand to get the pinky down there.

Huh. On my Mac, I hit the ⌘ (ALT is in the same location on Windows keyboards) with my thumb and cross my index over the thumb to hit space. My hands don't move from the typing position and it's no harder than snapping your fingers in terms of the dexterity required. I actually had to do it just now to figure it out since it's mostly an automatic thing for me now.

Like this:




For CTRL I have to actually lift my hands, but I rarely use that unless I'm either using RDP to some Win boxes or using a Windows VM. It is much more of a pain, and I always forget and use the wrong combo. Honestly, for Win keyboards I feel CTRL and ALT need to be swapped considering how often CTRL combos are used while typing.

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Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
My fingers are cramping up just looking at that.

Though I guess anything's usable if that's what you learned to start with. Even those stupid puck mice.

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
Both thumbs on space bar normally. Curl one slightly to reach the Cmd key, other stays on space. Use pinky for control.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
All of you motherfuckers need Jesus home row.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing: For Millennials

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Guy Axlerod posted:

Both thumbs on space bar normally. Curl one slightly to reach the Cmd key, other stays on space. Use pinky for control.

To be fair, using the equivalent Windows shortcuts are a pain in the dick since Win uses CTRL as the modifier key.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Proteus Jones posted:

Huh. On my Mac, I hit the ⌘ (ALT is in the same location on Windows keyboards) with my thumb and cross my index over the thumb to hit space. My hands don't move from the typing position and it's no harder than snapping your fingers in terms of the dexterity required. I actually had to do it just now to figure it out since it's mostly an automatic thing for me now.

Like this:


I just move my left thumb to hit the left Cmd key and hit space with my right thumb. Either way it's not unergonomic in the least.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
I spotted this today at work:

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Iron Crowned posted:

I spotted this today at work:



Every garage/workshop has an old rear end radio that is at least ten or fifteen years old.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Randaconda posted:

Every garage/workshop has an old rear end radio that is at least ten or fifteen years old.

This one has an 8-track

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!
Typing chat: Both I and my ex learned to type on early-80s word processors/late typewriters, which led to me having a very efficient hunt-'n'-peck style, I get about 40wpm hammering away with four fingers and looking at the keyboard. But my ex, goddamn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQI4Jtc0vak

That's just short of 130wpm, 99.5% accurate (his personal record is 128). He's somewhat slower on modern squishy/short-travel keyboards, of course, but it's hard to find Ms these days and then you have the get a USB adapter ... so once the last M and desktop died (The keyboard from an overdose of Coke, the computer because it let the smoke out of the PSU after a thunderstorm-induced power outage*) and we switched to modern lappys, we gave up on good keyboards.

*I love my current laptop, it's a fairly recent gaming rig, only ever used plugged in -- I travel a lot for work, but it's always on a desk and plugged into the wall, so it's basically a desktop with a built-in UPS.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Cherry Greens are pretty similar in equivalency to the buckling spring of a Model M, at least as far as modern switches go. I have a CM Quickfire Rapid with greens and it is heaven to type on.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

Chillbro Baggins posted:

Typing chat: Both I and my ex learned to type on early-80s word processors/late typewriters, which led to me having a very efficient hunt-'n'-peck style, I get about 40wpm hammering away with four fingers and looking at the keyboard. But my ex, goddamn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQI4Jtc0vak

That's just short of 130wpm, 99.5% accurate (his personal record is 128). He's somewhat slower on modern squishy/short-travel keyboards, of course, but it's hard to find Ms these days and then you have the get a USB adapter ... so once the last M and desktop died (The keyboard from an overdose of Coke, the computer because it let the smoke out of the PSU after a thunderstorm-induced power outage*) and we switched to modern lappys, we gave up on good keyboards.

*I love my current laptop, it's a fairly recent gaming rig, only ever used plugged in -- I travel a lot for work, but it's always on a desk and plugged into the wall, so it's basically a desktop with a built-in UPS.

Unicomp still makes them, new stock: http://www.pckeyboard.com

They bought out the original manufacturing hardware from IBM and were founded by people who worked for them, so it’s more or less the same exact product but new. Got a Mac model about a year ago and I’ve loved it ever since.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Dewgy posted:

Unicomp still makes them, new stock: http://www.pckeyboard.com

They bought out the original manufacturing hardware from IBM and were founded by people who worked for them, so it’s more or less the same exact product but new. Got a Mac model about a year ago and I’ve loved it ever since.

You beat me to it.

I've had my Unicomp for a couple of years now and it's the best (and loudest) keyboard I've ever used. The Model M never died, it just changed its name.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

Proteus Jones posted:

What does this mean?

Do you mean from a muscle memory thing? Or is it a "how much you have to move your hands or something? I'm literally not understanding since the keys are right next to each other and don't require me to move my hands from my usual typing position.

It depends. If I have both hands on my keyboard, Alt+Space is fine. I use Alt+Space, N for minimizing apps via the keyboard, for example. But if you have the right hand on the mouse, it's not so good.

Anyway, I'm just nerd-spergin'

SLOSifl
Aug 10, 2002


I use Command+Space all the time on my Mac, it has never felt awkward to me. No more awkward than hitting any other key combo, one nipple on the first and both thumbs on the other key.

I also learned Alt+Space in Windows decades ago as a way to relocate lost windows. Alt+Space, M, hit an arrow key (otherwise the mouse won’t lock) and then move the mouse. There’s your Photoshop palette or whatever.

That problem was so common among my friends that I wrote a tiny Delphi program that grabbed any out of bounds windows. Interestingly that often revealed all sorts of adware IE windows and poo poo which was a scary bonus at the time.

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Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


I'm such a goddamn nerd that my left hand naturally settles to CTRL A W D Space.

gently caress the home row :v:

(hold-to-crouch for life)

boar guy
Jan 25, 2007

i'm such a goddamn nerd that i had a special esc key 3d printed

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Arrath posted:

I'm such a goddamn nerd that my left hand naturally settles to CTRL A W D Space.

gently caress the home row :v:

(hold-to-crouch for life)

Uhh that’s pretty much the home row friend

GRINDCORE MEGGIDO
Feb 28, 1985


boar guy posted:

i'm such a goddamn nerd that i had a special esc key 3d printed



I approve.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Jabor posted:

My fingers are cramping up just looking at that.

Though I guess anything's usable if that's what you learned to start with. Even those stupid puck mice.

The puck mouse was an abomination. It was the worse design ever. As soon as it came out, when I was in college, I had to carry around an after-market mouse. The only nice thing was that, with two USB inputs on the keyboard, you could use the puck mouse as a left handed mouse and a Kensington as the right one.

That may seem weird, but I used to work with a left handed guy so we could switch back and forth really fast without fussing with cables. For some reason, he liked the puck. I blame his Vietnam experience. Or possibly that he was a Criminal Justice professor. They're fussy.

Samuel L. ACKSYN
Feb 29, 2008


i use EADF for games, ive never found WASD to be comfortable

i use the apple wired mini keyboard tho so idk maybe that has something to do with it.





in the 90s i had a model m on my 486 and i thought it sounded cool when you typed fast, so i practiced typing quickly so it sounded cool

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


mostlygray posted:

The puck mouse was an abomination. It was the worse design ever. As soon as it came out, when I was in college, I had to carry around an after-market mouse. The only nice thing was that, with two USB inputs on the keyboard, you could use the puck mouse as a left handed mouse and a Kensington as the right one.

That may seem weird, but I used to work with a left handed guy so we could switch back and forth really fast without fussing with cables. For some reason, he liked the puck. I blame his Vietnam experience. Or possibly that he was a Criminal Justice professor. They're fussy.

I knew a guy who liked the puck mouse. He'd basically make a loose fist with his right hand and put that down on top of the mouse, and he'd click by pressing down his pinky.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

Last Chance posted:

Uhh that’s pretty much the home row friend

Just one too far to the left.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Grand Prize Winner posted:

I knew a guy who liked the puck mouse. He'd basically make a loose fist with his right hand and put that down on top of the mouse, and he'd click by pressing down his pinky.
3M made (or makes?) a mouse that's supposed to be used in a similar way. It looks like a joystick with a big handle on top that you grip and move around, and you have the left/right buttons as a trigger and thumb button.

fake edit:

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

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I had a boss who loved that style of mouse, said all his RSI issues went away once he switched to it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

I had a boss who loved that style of mouse, said all his RSI issues went away once he switched to it.

I've had two colleagues back to back sitting next to me who needed a vertical mouse due to rotator cuff injuries. They would have transferred the same one across, probably, except one of them was right handed and the other left handed.

T-man
Aug 22, 2010


Talk shit, get bzzzt.

Jedit posted:

I've had two colleagues back to back sitting next to me who needed a vertical mouse due to rotator cuff injuries. They would have transferred the same one across, probably, except one of them was right handed and the other left handed.



I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


T-man posted:

I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

I've always seen the majority of lefties use their left as the mouse hand. If I were a lefty, I would probably just leave it on the right (I can mouse fine with my left hand as a righty, so I figure the inverse would be true).

On the topic of puck mice, I never really cared about them one way or the other. I could use them fine with a delicate thumb and pinky grip I never had to think about. One thing that was great with them was how well you could feel the ball movement when they were just a little dirty.

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

T-man posted:

I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

I'm the opposite. Drives the IT guys crazy.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

T-man posted:

I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

Generally not, although I do as you do.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


T-man posted:

I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

Normal for me. Good for writing notes while mousing around.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46_XUaehKRU

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

T-man posted:

I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

Normal for me too. I CAN'T mouse worth a drat left handed.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
I honestly thought these were out of production, but a look on Amazon shows they're still around, but I'm not sure if it's just old stock and/or generic versions of the principle: Wi-Fi SD Cards.

They were a pretty popular thing about maybe 8-10 years ago, I think, mostly for portable devices and what not that still used SD cards, but since so much stuff has moved onto microSD or smartphones having built-in networking/BT/cloud/etc. support I don't think I've seen them around in stores in the last few years.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
eyefi took their ball and went home by disabling all but the latest gen of their cards. Since they had a near monopoly at the time, the market kinda died for them.

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Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


T-man posted:

I'm left-handed but I use computer mice with my right hand, is that not normal for lefties?

Yeah I'm a leftie and use my mouse right handed.

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