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Speaking in absolutes makes your words spill out of their container in a really bad way, speak in flexes instead.
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For curiosity's sake, what would a reasonable salary be in NYC for a developer with 2-3 years of experience whose skills are in .NET, React, and Node? Wondering if a move back to the city in not too distant future would make sense or not for me, but that's all extremely hypothetical at this point.
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Apr 14, 2018 03:43
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The Dark Wind posted:For curiosity's sake, what would a reasonable salary be in NYC for a developer with 2-3 years of experience whose skills are in .NET, React, and Node? Wondering if a move back to the city in not too distant future would make sense or not for me, but that's all extremely hypothetical at this point. The H1B salary websites tend to give a pretty good idea of salary data: http://h1bdata.info/index.php
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Apr 14, 2018 04:01
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JawnV6 posted:You should spend some time at a startup where the justification/club is entirely handwaving Key to that though and I know its not exactly what youre saying is that even then is IC3 is a guidance not a checklist, if you are executing at that in your team there still needs to be a business reason for an IC3 there. Too many people see that as a level up guide. Ok I do these three things and I move up a salary band. Where a product may instead say to be profitable well spend X million on the team this year.
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Apr 14, 2018 04:06
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downout posted:It's my understanding that there is very high demand for devs atm. Or is this very region dependent? In my city there is a very high demand (and everyone wants to work at Google or Uber ATC) and we only get 100s of resumes from people straight out of bootcamp with zero or very little knowledge of how to code (can't do fizzbuzz). If we could find a couple of mid or senior devs, then that problem with bootcamp goes down because there are more people to help bring them up to speed. We have a couple of really good candidates from the universities, but most can't start for a couple of months and if they're savvy, they're probably hoarding offers to negotiate a little bit.
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Apr 14, 2018 14:13
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Applied to an entry level Java dev job in North Dakota that I am 100% gonna accept if I get offered the position. Am I dumb for assuming that I probably will not be competing with many other people for this job that is asking them to move to a town of 6,000 people to work as a programmer? I graduated with a CS degree last year and this is essentially the exact type of entry level job I've been looking for. The more I think about it, the more I convince myself that there is no way other people who have a similar background to me are trying to get this job as well because everywhere else in the country has a higher average pay and is a more interesting place to live than the middle of no where. But i'm driving myself crazy thinking that way because it's dumb to assume you will get a job just because you are qualified and feel like you are the only one who would actually want the job. I sent an email to their recruiter telling them that I applied and asked for more information on the details surrounding the job so hopefully that gets the ball rolling in the right direction.
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Apr 14, 2018 23:21
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Bath Tubs posted:Applied to an entry level Java dev job in North Dakota that I am 100% gonna accept if I get offered the position.
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Apr 14, 2018 23:40
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Bath Tubs posted:Applied to an entry level Java dev job in North Dakota that I am 100% gonna accept if I get offered the position. If it's your "foot in the door" for bigger and better things is not a waste of time to get that job (assuming that moving there is not a big issue either, don't have wife/kids, etc.). Get some experience and apply to other positions in the meantime. But Bruegels Fuckbooks is right by saying that in a tech hub there is more opportunity even with more competition. At the end of the day there is only one thing that you can definitely do wrong: take the job in North Dakota and retire from it. Get complacent and 30 years from now you'll be that dinosaur that we all love to hate.
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Apr 15, 2018 00:12
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Kinda weird question for this thread, what's a good day job for feeding myself during my post graduation job hunt? I'm going to have to move before I have an offer in hand, since my lease is going to end and none of the networking opportunities are happening here anyway. Grocery store work is getting old and won't cover loan payments if my search runs long. Touching a computer and talking to people would be good for me, but I've heard horror stories about tech support sapping people dry with lovely hours.
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Apr 15, 2018 00:27
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Yak Shaves Dot Com posted:Kinda weird question for this thread, what's a good day job for feeding myself during my post graduation job hunt? I'm going to have to move before I have an offer in hand, since my lease is going to end and none of the networking opportunities are happening here anyway. Grocery store work is getting old and won't cover loan payments if my search runs long. Being a Bartender makes you learn how to talk to people. Not just in a sense that you can convey thoughts and feelings better which is the kind of communication that's important for working in tech, but you convey them in a way that tends to make people like you more which is an extremely useful skill to have in interviews. I genuinely believe being a bartender is the best job you can have prior to getting into tech. It worked out extremely well in my favor, and the two bartenders I know who got into tech also both got in on their first interviews, each receiving feedback that they were excellent communicators during their interviews. But at the end of the day your grocery job might be best just because you've already got it and don't have to look for two jobs at once.
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Apr 15, 2018 05:09
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Seconding the advice to work in the service industry
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Apr 15, 2018 06:16
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Yak Shaves Dot Com posted:Kinda weird question for this thread, what's a good day job for feeding myself during my post graduation job hunt? I'm going to have to move before I have an offer in hand, since my lease is going to end and none of the networking opportunities are happening here anyway. Grocery store work is getting old and won't cover loan payments if my search runs long. Something that doesn't schedule you for work between 9-5 is probably best, so that your schedule is open for calls and interviews.
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Apr 15, 2018 07:08
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geeves posted:In my city there is a very high demand (and everyone wants to work at Google or Uber ATC) and we only get 100s of resumes from people straight out of bootcamp with zero or very little knowledge of how to code (can't do fizzbuzz).
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Apr 15, 2018 07:24
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What part of it? there's quite a lot going on there.
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Apr 15, 2018 08:21
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Vincent Valentine posted:What part of it? there's quite a lot going on there.
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Apr 15, 2018 14:18
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Im guessing the part about university new grads leveraging multiple offers. Not really commenting on geeves post... I went from Cardinal Direction State University where new CS grads are lucky to get picked up by the nearby federal gov code mines contractor to Ivy R1 University where Twitter and poo poo are setting up tables in the lobby to hand out swag and collect resumes. Just seeing the difference between the two worlds is nuts. (*and* having dealt with students from both universities, the _average_ CS undergrad from both is pretty much the same skill level, but the ivy kids tend to be rules-lawyering type-A gunners. the top-tier undergrads from the R1 are worlds apart, but they had poo poo like summer interns w/ a Big 4, etc.) JehovahsWetness fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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Apr 15, 2018 14:40
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Vincent Valentine posted:Being a Bartender makes you learn how to talk to people. Not just in a sense that you can convey thoughts and feelings better which is the kind of communication that's important for working in tech, but you convey them in a way that tends to make people like you more which is an extremely useful skill to have in interviews. I genuinely believe being a bartender is the best job you can have prior to getting into tech. It worked out extremely well in my favor, and the two bartenders I know who got into tech also both got in on their first interviews, each receiving feedback that they were excellent communicators during their interviews. In your experience, would a tech company have a problem with a SE taking a front-of-house weekend job (eg. bartender) if the stated motivation was developing better communication skills?
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Apr 15, 2018 15:08
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Bath Tubs posted:Applied to an entry level Java dev job in North Dakota that I am 100% gonna accept if I get offered the position. What is it about this job that makes you want it so much? Location, availability, tech stack? What some might find appalling, you might find appealing, so tell us please!
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Apr 15, 2018 15:13
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I'm hoping to pivot into software engineering. I'm a data analyse/data engineer and use Python and SQL alot but want to learn C#. Is there a path to take to pick it up quickly?
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Apr 15, 2018 18:21
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toadoftoadhall posted:In your experience, would a tech company have a problem with a SE taking a front-of-house weekend job (eg. bartender) if the stated motivation was developing better communication skills? Best thing to do is ask - you aren't exactly planning to moonlight at a competitor. But honestly as long as your performance at your primary gig is normal, I'd think that any tech company would welcome one of their devs trying to learn better communication, whatever the means. That said, a second job, even a part time one, feels like overkill. The last thing you want to do is stress yourself out during days you'd normally be resting and be exhausted during the week. Have you looked into things like Toastmasters?
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Apr 15, 2018 19:11
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toadoftoadhall posted:In your experience, would a tech company have a problem with a SE taking a front-of-house weekend job (eg. bartender) if the stated motivation was developing better communication skills? I wouldn't know, to be honest. If you already have the job, your communication is sufficient. That said I think if at my current gig someone mentioned wanting to moonlight as a bartender for communications purposes the general consensus would be "why?" Followed by " I mean, it's your life"
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Apr 15, 2018 22:24
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toadoftoadhall posted:In your experience, would a tech company have a problem with a SE taking a front-of-house weekend job (eg. bartender) if the stated motivation was developing better communication skills? Are you legally obligated to tell them about a second job? e: I think I'd be confused more than anything -- like, my impression of bartenders' communications skills is that they can learn how to help someone feel comfortable, listen to them talk about their problems without being judgmental or selfish, maybe talk someone down from making a bad decision, maybe calm down a fight, that kind of thing. I'm not sure I see a direct translation of that to corporate communication as opposed to taking something like the Dale Carnegie public speaking course or going to Toastmasters. fantastic in plastic fucked around with this message at 23:03 on Apr 15, 2018 |
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Apr 15, 2018 22:52
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HamsterPolice posted:I'm hoping to pivot into software engineering. I'm a data analyse/data engineer and use Python and SQL alot but want to learn C#. Is there a path to take to pick it up quickly? I'm curious why you feel the need to learn C#? You could learn Flask or Django and you'd probably have enough knowledge to get into back-end dev.
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Apr 15, 2018 23:28
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What's the bar for putting a language or framework on your resume? So far I'm only listing stuff I've been paid to write. I feel like the hobby project I worked on for one week in React probably isn't enough to through it up there (I have a much better understanding of Java which I've only used in classes), but on the other hand I'd love to write more React and get paid to do it.
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Apr 15, 2018 23:41
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Cirofren posted:What's the bar for putting a language or framework on your resume? So far I'm only listing stuff I've been paid to write. I feel like the hobby project I worked on for one week in React probably isn't enough to through it up there (I have a much better understanding of Java which I've only used in classes), but on the other hand I'd love to write more React and get paid to do it. Put something on your resume that you're prepared to be interviewed about. I put React on my resume about 3 weeks into learning it because I wanted out from jQuery and could talk about the personal project I was working on to learn it. From the one interview I had with my resume like that, I got that job. So your mileage may vary. If you have a language on your resume you learned for a few weeks 3 years ago - there's no good story there and you're not trying to learn it, don't put it on there.
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Apr 16, 2018 00:31
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How much of a red flag would you guys consider this situation - I got contacted about a job at a company and Foo contacted me to setup an interview. A few hours later, Bar, on the same team emailed me to setup up an interview. I passed the first round and then had a similar interaction when setting up the second round. Bar contacted me shortly after my second round saying he wanted to set up time to have a quick chat about a few questions they forgot to ask. Then Foo emailed me a few minutes later asking me to come in for an in person.
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Apr 16, 2018 01:04
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If Foo is a team lead or something and Bar is the engineer that did/will interview you, I wouldn't think much of it. If Foo and Bar are both the same level I'd cc both to ask for clarification on who I'm supposed to be communicating with regarding my application, and then in the in-person one of my questions would be about why that happened.
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Apr 16, 2018 01:23
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That's an awkward situation because I've heard plenty of people talk about how they interviewed for a company rather than a position, and so multiple teams were trying to recruit the individual. A big one I remember was someone was applying at Foo, and interviewed with a bunch of different teams. They thought they were just letting everyone they'd be working with get a feel for them, but it turned out Foo's Big Data and Back-end Web Dev team were both impressed and both trying to hire them. They ended up competing, both teams made an offer, and they ended up taking the Big Data position. While it wasn't this particular case, I have heard that this is standard procedure for both Google and Amazon, so maybe it's a Giant Corporate Overlord kind of thing. But despite the fact that I've heard this happening a lot, I still have no idea how commonplace it actually is. So your mileage may vary and maybe your situation isn't the same? Email and ask. Worst case scenario they go "Oh hey that's weird I thought I was supposed to be handling this. WOOPS" and that's it.
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Apr 16, 2018 01:49
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Im guessing the part about university new grads leveraging multiple offers. We had a CMU grad turn us down because we wouldn't offer him base compensation over 100k. He said he was getting signing bonus, options and total compensation offers of almost 170k. Meanwhile we're in Pittsburgh, not the Valley or NYC.
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Apr 16, 2018 02:17
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geeves posted:We had a CMU grad turn us down because we wouldn't offer him base compensation over 100k. He said he was getting signing bonus, options and total compensation offers of almost 170k.
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Apr 16, 2018 03:19
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:Yep that checks out. It's been fun and laughter
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Apr 16, 2018 03:21
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geeves posted:We had a CMU grad turn us down because we wouldn't offer him base compensation over 100k. He said he was getting signing bonus, options and total compensation offers of almost 170k. We had a UX person turn us down because we wouldn't pay them 140k, in fact they got angry at us for wasting their time. The kicker is the job was posted with a salary range listed next to it, so not only are they wildly overestimating their value, they also can't read. Cirofren posted:I've been to a few meetup here in Melbourne and they've been of varying quality but most are really good. Anecdotally I have met way more people actively recruiting or already employed and there for professional development than I have jobseekers. Hey fellow Melbournite - we've probably been at the same meetup once or twice!
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:Hey fellow Melbournite - we've probably been at the same meetup once or twice! Cool and Spooky Got any recommendations? I like Software Art Thou (obviously) and I've heard good things about the Ruby meetups but I don't know Ruby. The others I've been to are fine but not worth writing home about.
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Apr 16, 2018 11:43
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Volguus posted:At the end of the day there is only one thing that you can definitely do wrong: take the job in North Dakota and retire from it. Get complacent and 30 years from now you'll be that dinosaur that we all love to hate. Unless it turns out that you like North Dakota, like the job and the people you work with, and are okay with the pay. Maintaining a sharp competitive edge in the tech world doesn't have to be the measure of your worth as a person.
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Portland Sucks posted:Maintaining a sharp competitive edge in the tech world doesn't have to be the measure of your worth as a person. 
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Apr 16, 2018 16:59
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geeves posted:We had a CMU grad turn us down because we wouldn't offer him base compensation over 100k. He said he was getting signing bonus, options and total compensation offers of almost 170k. In my experience, the young pups over value options in both opportunity and monetary value. 
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Apr 16, 2018 17:16
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Curious, why is it that third party recruiters from terrible companies seem to be the only ones that have positions for temp to hire or 6 month contracts? I've looked up the same position on the actual company's website and I feel like every time it's a FT hire.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:23
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Portland Sucks posted:Maintaining a sharp competitive edge in the tech world doesn't have to be the measure of your worth as a person. Actually it does. Because even in North Dakota new projects are being started to solve some new problem for the company. If today you would still be solving company's problems with windows 98 while taking extraordinary measures to keep the drat thing up for more than a day without a blue screen, you are costing the company more than you produce. If you continually refuse to acknowledge (at least) that there are new and potentially better ways of solving the problems that you have you become a liability and not an asset. And even the nice people in North Dakota are not going to keep you long if you're not making any money for them. So yes, you do need to maintain a sharp competitive edge in the world or else risk being pushed aside at the earliest opportunity.
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My first interview is over!!! It got moved to today because one of the interviewers fell ill, but the call was scheduled for 11. It was a conference call with the recruiter and the hiring manager, and multiple times, the manager mentions how interested he is in what I'm working on and hearing my opinions, asking questions, and we have a good discussion about it. Using some of the YOSPOS questions, I'm able to get a good sense of the company (lots of being told I'm asking really good things  ) and I feel really good about the general interview.I walk back inside from my car, am texting friends, and I get another call. They already decided they like me and want me to go to the next stage So now they are gonna send me an audition challenge to do at home.I'm so excited!!
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