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EBB
Feb 15, 2005

It's not being simulcast in all time zones :mad:

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LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
“I don’t know if the president was peed on by prostitutes in 2013” - James Comey

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
You think Mueller and Comey talked about how to work the interview as a means to provoke Trump?

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

It's not being simulcast in all time zones :mad:

Very, very little of this is going to actually be new. It's mostly going to be confirmation of all of the news media reports from the FBI director Donald Trump fired because of the Russia investigation into his actions.

I'm phrasing it that way because you sort of get lost in how loving insane that would be 5/10/15 years ago.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Holy poo poo that shot of him walking into the briefing room. Dude is a giant.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns

holocaust bloopers posted:

Holy poo poo that shot of him walking into the briefing room. Dude is a giant.

Spot the Comey.

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/981378292790984704

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Lol him hiding in the blue curtain

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
I got a lot of respect for Comey TBQH.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
He had solid rationale about the Clinton email statement. Still don’t like the decision, but he had his reasons.

Crakkerjakk
Mar 14, 2016



Pretty loving rich coming from Comey.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

I got a lot of respect for Comey TBQH.

Comey is the dad who you call for a ride when your own dad can't make it.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

EVA BRAUN BLOWJOBS posted:

Extraordinary legal hurdles had to be crossed for the warrant to be issued. The ACLU agrees, and sees it as a sign that law is working. It's difficult to make a different case.
I don't buy it. If it was anyone but Trump, let's say Obama's lawyer got his office tossed, do you really think the ACLU's position would be, "well, we can't say for sure that this public figure *hasn't* been conspiring with his lawyer to do crimes, and we trust the government when it says that there was exceptional scrutiny and oversight when this decision was made."?

I'm on their mailing list because I donated, but this is pretty much the last straw for me. I originally joined up in '04 because they were a relatively apolitical organization that lobbied and litigated for privacy and individual civil rights, but since 2017 it's become increasingly apparent that the national organization cares more about what is bad for Trump and the right wing than good for civil rights. They've also been increasingly throwing their weight behind other cultural issues that are only tangential to civil rights. Getting Trump out of office would almost certainly be tactically good for civil rights, but deciding to be selective about their principles rather than endorsing an alternative candidate isn't the way they should be going about it.

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008





Dead Reckoning posted:

I don't buy it. If it was anyone but Trump, let's say Obama's lawyer got his office tossed, do you really think the ACLU's position would be, "well, we can't say for sure that this public figure *hasn't* been conspiring with his lawyer to do crimes, and we trust the government when it says that there was exceptional scrutiny and oversight when this decision was made."?

I'm on their mailing list because I donated, but this is pretty much the last straw for me. I originally joined up in '04 because they were a relatively apolitical organization that lobbied and litigated for privacy and individual civil rights, but since 2017 it's become increasingly apparent that the national organization cares more about what is bad for Trump and the right wing than good for civil rights. They've also been increasingly throwing their weight behind other cultural issues that are only tangential to civil rights. Getting Trump out of office would almost certainly be tactically good for civil rights, but deciding to be selective about their principles rather than endorsing an alternative candidate isn't the way they should be going about it.

The ACLU illustrates it pretty clearly and it is pretty cut and dry legal precedent. You can talk to your lawyer about bribes you made, you can't have your lawyer deliver them. And the AG is going after stuff that isn't even privileged. They are doing this by the book knowing the slightest impropriety will cast doubt on the entire investigation.

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Dead Reckoning posted:

I don't buy it. If it was anyone but Trump, let's say Obama's lawyer got his office tossed, do you really think the ACLU's position would be, "well, we can't say for sure that this public figure *hasn't* been conspiring with his lawyer to do crimes, and we trust the government when it says that there was exceptional scrutiny and oversight when this decision was made."?

I'm on their mailing list because I donated, but this is pretty much the last straw for me. I originally joined up in '04 because they were a relatively apolitical organization that lobbied and litigated for privacy and individual civil rights, but since 2017 it's become increasingly apparent that the national organization cares more about what is bad for Trump and the right wing than good for civil rights. They've also been increasingly throwing their weight behind other cultural issues that are only tangential to civil rights. Getting Trump out of office would almost certainly be tactically good for civil rights, but deciding to be selective about their principles rather than endorsing an alternative candidate isn't the way they should be going about it.

dude how many people in this thread have commented on just how loving high the bar is to make this happen

if there is even a hint that they did it on a whim they are hosed forever

like sorry but lol are you loving serious

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
:lol: did you forget that then ACLU is the reason the “unite the right” rally happened in Charlottesville.

Also considering the circumstances and the fact that Cohen doesn’t actually perform any legal work for anyone (including trump) this would have the exact same response from the ACLU regardless of president.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Dead Reckoning posted:

I don't buy it. If it was anyone but Trump, let's say Obama's lawyer got his office tossed, do you really think the ACLU's position would be, "well, we can't say for sure that this public figure *hasn't* been conspiring with his lawyer to do crimes, and we trust the government when it says that there was exceptional scrutiny and oversight when this decision was made."?

I'm on their mailing list because I donated, but this is pretty much the last straw for me. I originally joined up in '04 because they were a relatively apolitical organization that lobbied and litigated for privacy and individual civil rights, but since 2017 it's become increasingly apparent that the national organization cares more about what is bad for Trump and the right wing than good for civil rights. They've also been increasingly throwing their weight behind other cultural issues that are only tangential to civil rights. Getting Trump out of office would almost certainly be tactically good for civil rights, but deciding to be selective about their principles rather than endorsing an alternative candidate isn't the way they should be going about it.

I...wha....what?!

If Trump/Cohen did what the FBI claims, or Cohen was helping push fraud and commit crimes, he lost any right to client/attorney privilege.

What grounds are you even making this on? Every single authority on Legal matters agrees on this. And considering it was WELL KNOWN before Trump ever became president that both Trump and Cohen were knee deep in less than legal things, why is this somehow concerning to you?

If the government had no grounds, we'll know soon enough, but considering the Government not only claim to have grounds AND demonstrated that to a judge to get him to sign off on the warrant, you're talking out your rear end again.

Oh, and what's worse about your claim? Trump knows he's hosed if they look at his files, which is why he is fighting hard to claim the right to be able to censor and hide portions from the prosecutors:
https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/985695650330230784

But who am I kidding, I'm talking to DR.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Dead Reckoning posted:

I don't buy it. If it was anyone but Trump, let's say Obama's lawyer got his office tossed, do you really think the ACLU's position would be, "well, we can't say for sure that this public figure *hasn't* been conspiring with his lawyer to do crimes, and we trust the government when it says that there was exceptional scrutiny and oversight when this decision was made."?

I'm on their mailing list because I donated, but this is pretty much the last straw for me. I originally joined up in '04 because they were a relatively apolitical organization that lobbied and litigated for privacy and individual civil rights, but since 2017 it's become increasingly apparent that the national organization cares more about what is bad for Trump and the right wing than good for civil rights. They've also been increasingly throwing their weight behind other cultural issues that are only tangential to civil rights. Getting Trump out of office would almost certainly be tactically good for civil rights, but deciding to be selective about their principles rather than endorsing an alternative candidate isn't the way they should be going about it.

Ok

Crakkerjakk
Mar 14, 2016


BigDave posted:

Comey is the dad who you call for a ride when your own dad can't make it.

Who also thinks black people need extra attention from federal law enforcement. And that maybe cops aren't doing their jobs because people are too critical of mass civil rights violations by said cops and the solution to this is less criticism of law enforcement. And that manufacturing terrorism charges about especially idiotic and gullible brown Americans is a good way to keep Americans safe.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

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Like for real. Surely it’s the ACLU with the flawed take here rather than your viewpoint, DR.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Cohen was raided because he’s been running multiple massive money laundering schemes in NY and Chicago and has assisted multiple other wealthy people with payoffs and bullshit NDAs with porn stars.

He wasn’t actually providing legal advice to anyone most certainly the president.

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
whoa guys he's on the mailing list

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
it is with heavy heart that I click unsubscribe

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Mr. Nice! posted:

Cohen was raided because he’s been running multiple massive money laundering schemes in NY and Chicago and has assisted multiple other wealthy people with payoffs and bullshit NDAs with porn stars.

He wasn’t actually providing legal advice to anyone most certainly the president.

And that's before we even get into that there is a reason almost no actual worthwhile lawyers want to touch Trump.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

mods change my name posted:

it is with heavy heart that I click unsubscribe

empty quote

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
The ACLU’s fight for free speech literally allowed a nazi to kill a woman but their lack of desire to jump to the defense of a guy at the top of a criminal enterprise because he is the president’s “lawyer” is a sure sign of their partisan agenda.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

cohen actually isi just a bag man lol

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

CommieGIR posted:

And that's before we even get into that there is a reason almost no actual worthwhile lawyers want to touch Trump.

Like cohen isn’t someone actually providing trump counsel on anything related to any criminal or civil matters and hasn’t for years. He’s always just been an attack dog to hire people to pursue (and eventually settle) bullshit cases and to assist in money laundering/paying off sexual misconduct.

Nephzinho
Jan 25, 2008







45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:

cohen actually isi just a bag man lol

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

holocaust bloopers posted:

Like for real. Surely it’s the ACLU with the flawed take here rather than your viewpoint, DR.
Let me put it this way: when is the last time you can think of that the ACLU put out a press release agreeing with a search? The email I got before that was asking me to sign a petition to get Greyhound to stop consenting to searches of its busses.

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017

Dead Reckoning posted:

Let me put it this way: when is the last time you can think of that the ACLU put out a press release agreeing with a search? The email I got before that was asking me to sign a petition to get Greyhound to stop consenting to searches of its busses.

surely there is a difference between President Donald J Trump's lawyer getting searched with a warrant and uhhh warrantless searches on greyhound buses????

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Crakkerjakk posted:

Who also thinks black people need extra attention from federal law enforcement. And that maybe cops aren't doing their jobs because people are too critical of mass civil rights violations by said cops and the solution to this is less criticism of law enforcement. And that manufacturing terrorism charges about especially idiotic and gullible brown Americans is a good way to keep Americans safe.

OK fine, Comey is the dad you call when you're too hosed up to drive, then busts you for underage drinking.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Dead Reckoning posted:

Let me put it this way: when is the last time you can think of that the ACLU put out a press release agreeing with a search? The email I got before that was asking me to sign a petition to get Greyhound to stop consenting to searches of its busses.

I am happy to see the ACLU weigh in on an incredible event such as the president’s personal lawyer being subject to an FBI raid.

mods changed my name
Oct 30, 2017
do you believe every search is some sort of anti-constitutional event that needs the intervention of the ACLU?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Dead Reckoning posted:

Let me put it this way: when is the last time you can think of that the ACLU put out a press release agreeing with a search? The email I got before that was asking me to sign a petition to get Greyhound to stop consenting to searches of its busses.

I’m pretty sure the ACLU would be fine with almost all raids conducted in furtherance of investigation of serious fraud, money laundering, etc. that included such thorough oversight throughout the department of justice and the judiciary.

This is multiple warrants spanning months of times with mountains of corroborating evidence and multiple levels of independent judicial review.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Apr 16, 2018

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002

mods change my name posted:

surely there is a difference between President Donald J Trump's lawyer getting searched with a warrant and uhhh warrantless searches on greyhound buses????

Nah a legal search with due process after a pile of evidence is delivered in support of a warrant is exactly the same as the sheriff searching your poo poo without probable cause - DR

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
ACLU ought to issue a statement on Mr Nice’s t-shirt fiasco.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Now we need godholio to come in and tell us we’re being too rough on out deontologist friend.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Mr. Nice! posted:

Now we need godholio to come in and tell us we’re being too rough on out deontologist friend.

Just got back in town and have no interest in reading the 800 new posts.

Did anything interesting happen besides Gunny gearing up to kick rear end in the afterlife?

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Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Godholio posted:

Just got back in town and have no interest in reading the 800 new posts.

Did anything interesting happen besides Gunny gearing up to kick rear end in the afterlife?

Comey interview was ok. Syria got blown up a bit. DR was finally forced to unsubscribe from the ACLU mailing list because they’re not protesting the exhaustively legal search of don cohen.

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