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sweet geek swag posted:So literally the one thing Frank hated is the one thing his son kept. Awfully suspicious innit
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sweet geek swag posted:So literally the one thing Frank hated is the one thing his son kept. Makes those “notes” they kept talking about kind of suspect, eh?
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Apr 15, 2018 18:49
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i bet the notes were a singular unfinished draft of Dune 7 and they likely realized they did not have the ability to pick up and re-write it as intended. brian herbert could have made me hate him a lot less if he had just sold whatever frank had written for dune 7 instead of pretending like him and KJA's output represents some kind of final intention of his dead dad instead of hack sci-fi tacked onto a series of books that should be above adapted fanfiction
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Apr 15, 2018 18:59
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Really it always seemed like such a gently caress you to the fanbase that they let a guy who made a career of star wars novellas write the extended universe. Kevin Anderson has no shame. My friends and I were trashing him in sixth grade. That's how awful he is, he couldn't make a bunch of 11-12 year olds who basically loved anything scifi/fantasy enjoy scifi/fantasy. But hey, it seems like everyone's on the same page these days that the original works were good and that his son is a terrible hack with hack friends.
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Apr 15, 2018 23:40
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He's also (anecdotally) a total dickhead.
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Apr 15, 2018 23:55
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Chas McGill posted:He's also (anecdotally) a total dickhead. Zero talent, social lamprey, rich off other people's ideas...yeah, I can believe it.
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Apr 16, 2018 00:08
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I dunno what you guys are talking about, Darksaber was like a high point of Star Wars EU poo poo
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Apr 16, 2018 00:33
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I've had more than one person who knew I loved DUNE buy me hardcover KJA dune books as gifts. I always felt terrible because it really was a thoughtful gift but ehhhhhh
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Apr 16, 2018 00:50
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For extra special irony KJA should be burned atop a pyre of his own writings. Leto executed nine historians for printing bullshit. “The Sisters report that the nine were rendered unconscious, then burned on pyres of their own published works.“
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Apr 16, 2018 13:25
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at least the dune expanded universe isn't as big as the star wars one
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Apr 16, 2018 13:31
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Dyna Soar posted:at least the dune expanded universe isn't as big as the star wars one Actually doesn’t Dune span several galaxies? Star Wars is just confined to their single lovely one. Also did I read somewhere that aliens from other Star Wars galaxies didn’t have the Force?
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Apr 16, 2018 13:39
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Actually doesn’t Dune span several galaxies? Star Wars is just confined to their single lovely one. sorry if my post was a little obscure, i meant in terms of published works, not size of the fictional world
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Apr 16, 2018 13:43
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Actually doesn’t Dune span several galaxies? Star Wars is just confined to their single lovely one. There was a specific anti-technology warrior alien race from outside the galaxy that was invisible to the Force, and that entire storyline was the beginning of the end for the old EU. They kill Chewbacca in the first book for no reason.
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Apr 16, 2018 13:43
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phasmid posted:Zero talent, social lamprey, rich off other people's ideas...yeah, I can believe it. E: God Damnit... It was the book with that stupid 'mary sue' spaceship, the sun crusher. CopperHound fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Apr 16, 2018 |
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Apr 16, 2018 13:57
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sebmojo posted:huh, didn't know that I think it was in the same area where they're speaking in a "forgotten language" that's just French. Midget Fist posted:Every one of these posts make me so so glad I never read beyond the Frank Herbert 6. Calling this as a band name.
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Apr 16, 2018 15:02
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CopperHound posted:I'm trying to remember the bad star wars books I read back in 6th grade? Did KJA write a starwars book that featured a 'spice' drug that came from giant cave spiders? IIRC "the spice mines of Kessel" was a thing way before that terrible book. At the very least it's been mentioned a bunch since the "made the Kessel run in X parsecs" line from ANH. But it's EU so who even knows anymore 
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Apr 16, 2018 15:55
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Threepio has a line early in ANH about the spice mines.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:07
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The Sun Crusher thing was bad but a reminder that KJA's book Darksaber was literally "Jabba the Hutt's cousin steals the death star plans and builds another one but it fails and is blown up by asteroids the end"
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Apr 16, 2018 16:10
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Star Wars just had it as a throwaway, and Lucas probably got the line "spice mines" from Dune. Problem was the EU (of course) that said "it's a drug
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Apr 16, 2018 16:20
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I also want to say that although Lucas is a technical genius, ppl not understanding what a ripoff SW is forget that in the first screenplay, the Jedi get their powers, reflexes and limited prescience from ingesting a precious spice. e. ^^ no, literally the first scene in ANH was originally Vader trying to recapture a shipment of spice, not the plans for the Death Star. It wasn't a throwaway line, but a major plot device.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:22
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star wars is a kiddified rip off of a myriad of awesome older scifi, namely dune and valerian. star wars, apart from empire strikes back, is actually pretty drat underwhelming apart from the art direction which is great throughout the first trilogy. also mostly stolen.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:25
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Valerian and Laureline were wonderful comics. It's a shame the recent reboots have been so poorly done. Ah well.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:27
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phasmid posted:Valerian and Laureline were wonderful comics. It's a shame the recent reboots have been so poorly done. Ah well. agreed, i read through all of them many times when i was a kid. judge dredd, valerian, and especially enki bilal was my introduction into science fiction. didn't take many years after that when i was reading classic scifi. i actually liked the new valerian movie fine, it was a fun scifi romp without much depth, but the visuals were stunning and i think it carried all the way through. too bad the script wasn't that good, but as far as big budget scifi goes it was fine. much better than the new star wars movies.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:30
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Dyna Soar posted:i actually liked the new valerian movie fine, it was a fun scifi romp without much depth, but the visuals were stunning and i think it carried all the way through. too bad the script wasn't that good, but as far as big budget scifi goes it was fine. much better than the new star wars movies. It was "fine" but neither of the principle pair was believable in their role imo. I'll admit I've never read the source material
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The Bloop posted:It was "fine" but neither of the principle pair was believable in their role imo. I'll admit I've never read the source material It's very good. I'd recommend looking it up.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:34
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The Bloop posted:It was "fine" but neither of the principle pair was believable in their role imo. I'll admit I've never read the source material apart from the name and some superficial similarities it had more or less nothing to do with the source material.
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Apr 16, 2018 16:38
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Dyna Soar posted:star wars is a kiddified rip off of a myriad of awesome older scifi, namely dune and valerian. star wars, apart from empire strikes back, is actually pretty drat underwhelming apart from the art direction which is great throughout the first trilogy. also mostly stolen. Be fair, it also took a lot from samurai movies like The Hidden Fortress and WWII fighter aces. The real strength of Star Wars is that it combines all these disparate genres into one cohesive package.
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Yeah star wars borrowing from all kinds of scifi is fine. Its jarring how blatant some of it is but star wars is star wars dune is dune and that comic is itself
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Apr 16, 2018 16:42
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I mean, THX was a good movie imo and that was "borrowing" from 1984 and other dystopian stuff. But Star Wars fans pretend that it was mostly an homage to Flash Gordon and other light fare which is deliberately kinda clouding the fact that it "borrowed" pretty heavily from Herbert. He and Lynch agreed on this when they were making the movie of Dune.
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To all you Dune nerds, you should really check this out. It’s a fantastic documentary on why Dune almost was what we know Star Wars as today. Worth every second. I read the first 10 pages and didn’t see anyone mention it.
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one thing i liked about the valerian movie was how both of the protagonists were kind of assholes. you don't see much of that anymore. like, han solo was like that originally. and corben dallas of the fifth element, which is pretty much my favourite fun scifi romp. too bad they weren't really likeable or relatable. Windows 98 posted:To all you Dune nerds, you should really check this out. It’s a fantastic documentary on why Dune almost was what we know Star Wars as today. Worth every second. I read the first 10 pages and didn’t see anyone mention it. for sure! i watched this last summer. also read incal and metabarons, as they were pretty much made from the storyboards of jodorowskys dune.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:16
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Still annoyed we didn't get Dali as the emperor
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Apr 16, 2018 17:26
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Malcolm XML posted:Still annoyed we didn't get Dali as the emperor sure, but to be fair jodorowskys vision had nothing to do with the source material, so it would have been dune in name only.
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Dyna Soar posted:sure, but to be fair jodorowskys vision had nothing to do with the source material, so it would have been dune in name only. It would’ve been one hell of a film though.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:33
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It's kind of a sad movie because it becomes clear that the project was a drat mess from the start and the director is a crazy man. Holy Mountain was pretty good, though.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:34
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He is still cranking out films. His recent release, Endless Poetry, is some of his finest work.
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I'm glad jodorowskis dune does not exist to be honest. It was a neat little urban legend when i was young and a cool documentary but dune 84 barely works and that level of special effects didnt exist at the time and star wars was years out
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It was a fun documentary and I liked how they blew millions of dollars worth of studio money making what turned into a big art book (someone should publish that) but yeah. Jodorowski wanted his Dune to be a big acid trip, which in retrospect would be cool but it'd also be like his other movies that only cinephiles watch.
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Apr 16, 2018 17:50
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Dyna Soar posted:sure, but to be fair jodorowskys vision had nothing to do with the source material, so it would have been dune in name only. Frank Herbert liked Jodorowsky's script IIRC
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Dyna Soar posted:sure, but to be fair jodorowskys vision had nothing to do with the source material, so it would have been dune in name only. 
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