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I've never been to North Dakota, do they not have the internet there or something? Is everyone just connected to a ten year old cache of the Wayback Machine?
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Shirec posted:My first interview is over!!! It got moved to today because one of the interviewers fell ill, but the call was scheduled for 11. It was a conference call with the recruiter and the hiring manager, and multiple times, the manager mentions how interested he is in what I'm working on and hearing my opinions, asking questions, and we have a good discussion about it. Using some of the YOSPOS questions, I'm able to get a good sense of the company (lots of being told I'm asking really good things CONGRATS!
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Volguus posted:Actually it does. Because even in North Dakota new projects are being started to solve some new problem for the company. If today you would still be solving company's problems with windows 98 while taking extraordinary measures to keep the drat thing up for more than a day without a blue screen, you are costing the company more than you produce. If you continually refuse to acknowledge (at least) that there are new and potentially better ways of solving the problems that you have you become a liability and not an asset. And even the nice people in North Dakota are not going to keep you long if you're not making any money for them. I feel like you need a Good Will Hunting "it's not your fault moment." You are more than your job.
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Apr 16, 2018 18:23
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huhu posted:I'm curious why you feel the need to learn C#? You could learn Flask or Django and you'd probably have enough knowledge to get into back-end dev. Basically the firm uses C# and they want to make sure I have an understanding of key concepts of the language before I start. Makes sense. Shirec posted:My first interview is over!!! It got moved to today because one of the interviewers fell ill, but the call was scheduled for 11. It was a conference call with the recruiter and the hiring manager, and multiple times, the manager mentions how interested he is in what I'm working on and hearing my opinions, asking questions, and we have a good discussion about it. Using some of the YOSPOS questions, I'm able to get a good sense of the company (lots of being told I'm asking really good things Congrats. What sort of YOSPOS questions?
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Apr 16, 2018 18:29
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HamsterPolice posted:the firm Where you work now or where you want to work? I wouldn't learn a technology for a specific firm. If you want to take your career in a new direction and you need a new technology then you should learn it.
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Apr 16, 2018 18:49
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HamsterPolice posted:Congrats. What sort of YOSPOS questions? quote:How long have each of you worked at this company? Uncertain who to credit for these
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Portland Sucks posted:I feel like you need a Good Will Hunting "it's not your fault moment." Exactly. Wasting time at work because i'm too incompetent to solve the problem in 10 minutes like it should have been is no way to go through life son. Staying on top of technology (reasonably) is not a full time job (except javascript, but gently caress javascript) and it allows you to have more time for things that matter.
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Apr 16, 2018 22:29
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Volguus posted:Exactly. Wasting time at work because i'm too incompetent to solve the problem in 10 minutes like it should have been is no way to go through life son. Staying on top of technology (reasonably) is not a full time job (except javascript, but gently caress javascript) and it allows you to have more time for things that matter. Right, you're being intentionally obtuse.
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Portland Sucks posted:Right, you're being intentionally obtuse. Only a Sith deals in absolutes. Don't go there.
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Volguus posted:Exactly. Wasting time at work because i'm too incompetent to solve the problem in 10 minutes like it should have been is no way to go through life son. Staying on top of technology (reasonably) is not a full time job (except javascript, but gently caress javascript) and it allows you to have more time for things that matter. So you are advocating working outside of work so you can do more work at work? When I leave the office, I leave work there. I will research a new thing if I am looking for jobs and see something I am not familiar with listed a lot. But even that is minor, just don't have time outside of work for that crap.
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Gildiss posted:So you are advocating working outside of work so you can do more work at work? So you can do less. Then entire point of our entire lives is to do the things we don't like so that we have the time and resources for things that we do like. By becoming complacent, by never learning anything new by not "staying on top of technology" you are creating work for yourself later. What could have taken you 10 minutes with this new technology, it now takes you an hour and instead of going home to your wife and kids you are stuck at work, because deadlines are still deadlines. Or worse, that fancy new kid comes alone and does the same work faster, better and cheaper than you and you get fired. And now instead of being home at 5pm you are hunting jobs 16 hours a day and wonder why nobody is hiring someone with the body and the mind from the the cretaceous period. You don't have to do this poo poo 24 hours a day (what Portland Sucks absolute statement was). You just need to not remain behind, so behind that you are better replaced than retrained. Volguus fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Apr 17, 2018 01:24
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Portland Sucks posted:I feel like you need a Good Will Hunting "it's not your fault moment." that guy isn't
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Volguus posted:So you can do less. Then entire point of our entire lives is to do the things we don't like so that we have the time and resources for things that we do like. By becoming complacent, by never learning anything new by not "staying on top of technology" you are creating work for yourself later. What could have taken you 10 minutes with this new technology, it now takes you an hour and instead of going home to your wife and kids you are stuck at work, because deadlines are still deadlines. Or worse, that fancy new kid comes alone and does the same work faster, better and cheaper than you and you get fired. And now instead of being home at 5pm you are hunting jobs 16 hours a day and wonder why nobody is hiring someone with the body and the mind from the the cretaceous period. I do all of that at work, during the hours I get paid to do that. And those arguments seem extreme. Have you ever seen that happen? Outside of someone that was simply incompetent? Because I've seen incompetent people get promoted out of being individual contributors into incompetent tech leads and then into incompetent architects.
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Apr 17, 2018 01:41
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If you have at least C++, Java, or Javascript on your resume you are in demand somewhere in the United States and there are plenty of places where the bar for entry is FizzBuzz. You don't need to do homework in order to make sure your boss doesn't fire you unless you're working in a shithole. That, or you bluffed your way through an interview for lead software architect and now they might be catching on because you're asking a junior engineer what semicolons are for.
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Apr 17, 2018 02:29
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Gildiss posted:I do all of that at work, during the hours I get paid to do that. Nobody said to improve yourself outside of 9-5 if you can. Where the gently caress did you get that idea? But improve yourself. Work on your skills and expand them. Because when you don't, in 30 years even the nice people of North Dakota will not want to keep you on.The entire advice is: Don't go to North Dakota thinking that you can sleep your way through life. They're not that friendly even there. And if today knowing Javscript and Java means that you can land a job pretty much anywhere it doesn't mean that it will still be true 30 years from now. Maybe it will , maybe it won't.
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Volguus posted:Nobody said to improve yourself outside of 9-5 if you can. Where the gently caress did you get that idea? But improve yourself. Work on your skills and expand them. Because when you don't, in 30 years even the nice people of North Dakota will not want to keep you on.The entire advice is: Don't go to North Dakota thinking that you can sleep your way through life. They're not that friendly even there. And if today knowing Javscript and Java means that you can land a job pretty much anywhere it doesn't mean that it will still be true 30 years from now. Maybe it will , maybe it won't. And who said going to North Dakota, despite being the only thing that they grow there, turns people into rocks? Who is this argument you are making against?
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Apr 17, 2018 03:06
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A skill any developer can use today is recognizing when acrimonious pissing contests are talking past each other based on minuscule differences in their positions undetectable by outsiders. As a frequent participant of such contests, "Don't waste your off-hours on this poo poo" is being read as "don't improve yourself ever" and "you must always be improving" is using poo poo examples like "if a deadline comes, lock urself to your desk and burn pictures of your children" and I'm not sure who's still getting anything out of this convo. North Dakota is taking a beating though.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:13
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Captain Cappy posted:If you have at least C++, Java, or Javascript on your resume you are in demand somewhere in the United States and there are plenty of places where the bar for entry is FizzBuzz.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:18
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In 30 years, hopefully capitalism will have ended and people will be living in the VR Utopia.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:24
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What is even the point of North Dakota??? Any time I hear about it it just makes people mad.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:27
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If you take a job in North Dakota you will 100% guaranteed: die alone, penniless, and most importantly: everyone will be disappointed in how you weren't up to date on the Latest Java Tips And Tricks That You Can Only Learn In San Francisco
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Apr 17, 2018 03:33
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Gildiss posted:And who said going to North Dakota, despite being the only thing that they grow there, turns people into rocks? Oh, so you're just jumping in the middle of a conversation after listening to half a sentence and think you have anything to contribute?
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Apr 17, 2018 03:33
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In North Dakota you can become a well-paid roustabout in an oil boomtown if you can't handle fizzbuzz
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Apr 17, 2018 03:41
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This is a really dumb argument, everybody knows that North Dakota is only a myth.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:47
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bunch of rowdy south dakotans itt
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Captain Cappy posted:If you have at least C++, Java, or Javascript on your resume you are in demand somewhere in the United States and there are plenty of places where the bar for entry is FizzBuzz. You don't need to do homework in order to make sure your boss doesn't fire you unless you're working in a shithole. That, or you bluffed your way through an interview for lead software architect and now they might be catching on because you're asking a junior engineer what semicolons are for. I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers.
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Joda posted:I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers. I believe the finance industry heavily skews towards C++.
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Apr 17, 2018 08:55
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Joda posted:I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers. Lots of places? I keep saying this but not all programming out there is webdev.
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Apr 17, 2018 11:34
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Joda posted:I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers. Any major video game company in the united states.
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Vincent Valentine posted:Any major video game company in the united states. Based on the reputation video game companies have in terms of hours and how they treat their employees, only the most hard-core video game programmers must want to work for one.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:29
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All I ever see for C++ is embedded dev with 5+ years of professional C++ experience
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Joda posted:I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers. Ghost of Reagan Past fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Apr 17, 2018 12:45
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Joda posted:All I ever see for C++ is embedded dev with 5+ years of professional C++ experience This is an international company making chemical detection sensors and systems, by the way.
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Joda posted:I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers. Recruiting for one right now (UK based, mind...).
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Joda posted:I would love to know where there's a demand for C++ programmers. Sometimes it helps to look for system software in the job title if you want C or C++ type stuff, but theyre not always listed as that.
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Have applied to about 50 C++ jobs so far this year. Only one callback, which then lead to an interview. When asked what the mismatch was after the rejection, the interviewer said it was only due to a lack of experience. Don't know where all of these mythical jobs are that you guys keep talking about. The Sun is always shining. It's just always shining somewhere else.
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 INCOMING POLLYANNA POST!!! HIT THE loving DECK!!!! I still have not seen hard numbers to back up these beliefs that developers of any particular language are that heavily in demand. I see a lot of people insisting its the case, and I get that places are hiring, but it still feels like guesswork to me.
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Pollyanna posted:
You have a valid point, there could very well be an echo chamber effect but we can be sure there will be a source posted soon(tm). Anecdotal, I was without work for two months and a ton of interviews, you for less than a month. It took longer for me as I was interviewing for a role outside my niche of QA but I will be starting next week. There is a demand, absolutely.
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Love Stole the Day posted:Have applied to about 50 C++ jobs so far this year. Only one callback, which then lead to an interview. When asked what the mismatch was after the rejection, the interviewer said it was only due to a lack of experience. Don't know where all of these mythical jobs are that you guys keep talking about. For example, NVIDIAs system software role grilled me on virtual memory concepts, threads, CUDA, etc. Apples CoreOS team was most intestered in experience writing kernel and driver code. The database companies liked me because Ive worked on a relational DBMS before. In all of these cases a token coding challenge was sort of an afterthought to see if I actually knew C or C++, but it didn't seem like their primary hiring goal. Now unfortunately, that does seem to make many of those roles unsuitable for newbies, and for that I dont have a lot of advice at the moment beyond self-study and networking (assuming you don't have a formal CS background). Perhaps there are more newbie-friendly, general purpose C or C++ roles out there, but I haven't come across them. Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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I wonder if those companies will ever run out of engineers to work on their products once the current guard starts retiring.
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