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vains posted:Why is disassembling your weapon a big deal In the navy? He was standing armed watch and disassembled his loaded sidearm.
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he did it while he was standing a post
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Apr 16, 2018 23:13
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vains posted:Why is disassembling your weapon a big deal In the navy? The only time you really have a weapon is when you're on an armed watch. It really shouldn't be out of the holster on said watch unless you are using it. You also probably haven't been qualified or authorized to disassemble it.
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Apr 16, 2018 23:15
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overseas, on post or on firewatch outside the wire, it’s expected that you at least wipe down and lube the crew serve at your position.. not an apples to apples comparison, but it doesn’t seem like a big deal. is it explictely drilled into your head in the navy or something?
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Apr 16, 2018 23:22
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vains posted:overseas, on post or on firewatch outside the wire, it’s expected that you at least wipe down and lube the crew serve at your position.. not an apples to apples comparison, but it doesn’t seem like a big deal. There are people that take care of all of the weapons. You check them out before watch and return them after to the armory. No one is ever just issued a weapon to carry on ships. The gunner’s mates will do all the cleaning and maintenance that the weapon needs. Navy watchstanders should only have their weapon out of the holster when using it or turning it in. The GMs running an armory on any ship are going to be mad as gently caress if you gently caress around with any of their weapons while you’re on watch.
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Apr 16, 2018 23:32
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vains posted:overseas, on post or on firewatch outside the wire, it’s expected that you at least wipe down and lube the crew serve at your position.. not an apples to apples comparison, but it doesn’t seem like a big deal. It's a big deal in the sense that the only legitimate reason he would have had for removing the weapon from its holster would have been to shoot someone. He was playing with it while on armed watch.
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Apr 16, 2018 23:32
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Mr. Nice! posted:There are people that take care of all of the weapons. You check them out before watch and return them after to the armory. No one is ever just issued a weapon to carry on ships. The gunner’s mates will do all the cleaning and maintenance that the weapon needs. so it’s one of those things that you get beaten into your head from day one?
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Apr 16, 2018 23:33
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McNally posted:It's a big deal in the sense that the only legitimate reason he would have had for removing the weapon from its holster would have been to shoot someone. It's this.
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Apr 16, 2018 23:42
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Viva Miriya posted:Is NCIS on Atsugi being lovely really a thing? It would definitely help explain nothing being done about some poo poo that happened to one of our corpsmen. More like no one ever even encountered NCIS the entire time I was there. Rumor said they hung out in Roppongi, but I don't remember anyone ever actually running into them. In Iwakuni they're watching security cameras and tossing people's rooms at the barracks for cough syrup. Seems a little unbalanced. I blame marines.
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Apr 16, 2018 23:45
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Why do A schools have armed watches?
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Apr 17, 2018 00:04
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vains posted:so it’s one of those things that you get beaten into your head from day one? Pretty much. You never just have a weapon issued to you unless you’re standing an actual armed sentry watch. I’m guessing he wasn’t in condition one considering he’s at a training command (i think) but still you never have a gun unless you’re actively on watch.
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Apr 17, 2018 00:05
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piL posted:Why do A schools have armed watches? Gonna guess nuke.
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Apr 17, 2018 00:05
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piL posted:Why do A schools have armed watches? Because MTS is two slightly working nuclear reactors. And yeah guns in the shipboard navy are handled much differently than army/marines. If you're the guy doing access control you get issued a gun at the start of your watch and turn that same gun over to the guy who relieves you on watch. All supervised. At the end of the day one of the people responsible for the gun will trade it for a different one and inspect the one that got carried around all day. The only time its ever out of the holster is if you're pointing it in the clearing barrel or pointing it to use it. e; like as far as I know in the marines and army you have YOUR gun in the armory that they issue to you, and its yours to love and care for and clean. In the Navy its the ships armory's gun, and god help your soul if you so much as touch it wrong. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Apr 17, 2018 00:15
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yeah this is some weird poo poo to get upset over. How in the gently caress do yall think crew served weapons used in guard towers in country get cleaned?
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Apr 17, 2018 00:34
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Makes sense! I think on the spot turnovers are gone throughout most of the Navy now adays to avoid negligent discharges, aka a standard watchpop. Also the Navy is an organisation that doesn't permit a Sailor to check whether battery operated emergency lighting is operable without a multiple page procedure, a ruler, a stopwatch, electrical safety gloves, eight (nine?) qualifications, an e-learning course, and a designation letter from the department head, so there's that... piL fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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Apr 17, 2018 00:35
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:yeah this is some weird poo poo to get upset over. How in the gently caress do yall think crew served weapons used in guard towers in country get cleaned? It is almost like the Navy is different from the Army and Marines. And that being in country is different from stateside or shipboard.
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Apr 17, 2018 00:38
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:yeah this is some weird poo poo to get upset over. How in the gently caress do yall think crew served weapons used in guard towers in country get cleaned? That's not at all a valid comparison, though. In one case, the maintenance of the weapon is part of the post. In the other, the job is don't touch the gun unless you need to shoot someone. It's more similar to a beat cop deciding that he's bored so he sits on a park bench, draws his duty weapon, and starts taking it apart.
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Apr 17, 2018 00:39
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:yeah this is some weird poo poo to get upset over. How in the gently caress do yall think crew served weapons used in guard towers in country get cleaned? On ships the crew served weapons and small arms are all 100% maintained by the gunners mates. Regular sailors will never perform weapon maintenance or anything remotely more complicated than clearing a jam during a live fire shoot. If they’re at a CSW it’s just to man the gun and fire if necessary. If you have small arms on you, it’s specifically for a watch and you are only armed during said watch.
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Apr 17, 2018 01:00
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In other branches, would it be unusual to disassemble equipment other than a firearm? For example, as someone not specifically trained in electronics repair or as a mechanic, would it be okay to take apart a radio or truck because you're bored?
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:In other branches, would it be unusual to disassemble equipment other than a firearm? For example, as someone not specifically trained in electronics repair or as a mechanic, would it be okay to take apart a radio or truck because you're bored? Okay? No. Can I see it happening? Yes.
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Apr 17, 2018 01:09
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McNally posted:Okay? No. Can I see it happening? Yes. I mean, yeah, but I don't think that they'd be surprised if they got in trouble as a result.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I mean, yeah, but I don't think that they'd be surprised if they got in trouble as a result. I knew an E-3 who was surprised he got in trouble for telling an E-6 to gently caress off. For telling him to sweep the floor. While he was on extra duty.
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Apr 17, 2018 01:15
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ManMythLegend posted:It's this. You’ve held command.. how much of an rear end loving would you hand a guy with a clean record for this?
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Apr 17, 2018 02:29
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It’s the navy so 45/45, and a reduction in rate. Also suspended forfeiture of pay, because the UCMJ says not to be mean, but conveniently ignore the reduction causes him to lose eligibility for BAH. Back to the barracks and immediately into foreclosure. Just a guess.
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krispykremessuck posted:It’s the navy so 45/45, and a reduction in rate. Also suspended forfeiture of pay, because the UCMJ says not to be mean, but conveniently ignore the reduction causes him to lose eligibility for BAH. Back to the barracks and immediately into foreclosure. Depending on marital status, my GiP xlsx is out of date (nonexistant), I could see 45/45 with both pay and reduction suspended.
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Nick Soapdish posted:Depending on marital status, my GiP xlsx is out of date (nonexistant), I could see 45/45 with both pay and reduction suspended. Comedy option: KetTarma e-mails the thread to the Command, gets referred to NCIS and he ends up processed for a General after NCIS refers his finger loving of his M9 PDW to a summary court martial as criminal negligence.
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krispykremessuck posted:Comedy option: KetTarma e-mails the thread to the Command, gets referred to NCIS and he ends up processed for a General after NCIS refers his finger loving of his M9 PDW to a summary court martial as criminal negligence. Inshallah
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Apr 17, 2018 02:46
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honestly I hope dude's command is chill about all this be cool everybody
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DownByTheWooter posted:honestly I hope dude's command is chill about all this Yeah it's fun to dogpile the guy and he certainly didn't show great thinking ability, but this could be solved with a removal of weapons quals and some extra duty helping the GMs or firearms instructors teach weapons safety and associated rules/regs.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:08
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don't be a blue falcon y'all, but drat you set yourself up for excellence there.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:You’ve held command.. how much of an rear end loving would you hand a guy with a clean record for this? As a CO who only maxed out 1 guy at NJP I would easily max him out and forbid him from standing an armed watch again while I was in command which, depending on rate would make eval competition hard. I had a hundred other guys with clean records who don't need to be told not to do clearly irresponsible poo poo. His pain would serve as an example to others.
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ManMythLegend posted:As a CO who only maxed out 1 guy at NJP I would easily max him out and forbid him from standing an armed watch again while I was in command which, depending on rate would make eval competition hard. Would you hit him harder than someone who say, fell asleep on watch?
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Elendil004 posted:Would you hit him harder than someone who say, fell asleep on watch? Probably the same.
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ManMythLegend posted:As a CO who only maxed out 1 guy at NJP I would easily max him out and forbid him from standing an armed watch again while I was in command which, depending on rate would make eval competition hard. As he is in an instructional position and supposed to be a role model I would be surprised if its anything less than the max considering he was loving around with a service weapon.
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For reference, the only person I maxed out at mast was a repeat FDNF liberty policy violator who not only broke curfew but deliberately filled out a fake liberty plan and convinced a junior sailor to lie on his as well to be his "liberty buddy". gently caress that guy.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:18
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THE COMMAND
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Oh Lordy. Must remember to only tell normal boring poo poo that happens to me.
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Apr 17, 2018 03:58
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Elendil004 posted:Would you hit him harder than someone who say, fell asleep on watch? are we talking "shutdown reactor operator falls asleep alone in his chair at 0300 after doing maintenance until 2200" or "engine room rover leaves the engine room and goes to sleep in his rack while armed" here, because I've seen both and they're way different if your CO is worth a poo poo
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