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"actual leftists" that happily invite the USA into Syria so they can build more military bases to carry out the forever war. hmm
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Morzhovyye posted:"actual leftists" that happily invite the USA into Syria so they can build more military bases to carry out the forever war. hmm yeah playing off imperial powers against one another to their advantage is pretty smart
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Apr 17, 2018 11:43
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actual leftist: U.S. intervention is bad... except when it's good :wicked:
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Morzhovyye posted:actual leftist: U.S. intervention is bad... except when it's good :wicked: this but unironically
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:weve got one boys, an actual tankie freak that prefers assad over actual leftists The YPG are fitting the literal definition of a comprador though. Anyway, Lawrence Wilkerson was on Real News and says that the only way the missile strikes make sense is to reassert American power in the region, and make clear to the Russians that we're going to have to be negotiated with to end the war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IATuvMzN26o
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Apr 17, 2018 11:44
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america has armed a vast ideological array of various paramilitaries and terrorist groups to serve their short term geopolitical goals and have it bite them in the rear end later, and youre going to cry about it when they stumble into arming leftists smh
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Apr 17, 2018 11:45
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The YPG are fitting the literal definition of a comprador though. accepting military aid from a more powerful force does not immediately make you a puppet of that force, no.
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Apr 17, 2018 11:46
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Bender "Bending" Rodriguez: oh wait, you're serious. let me laugh even harder
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Morzhovyye posted:Bender "Bending" Rodriguez: oh wait, you're serious. let me laugh even harder epic
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Apr 17, 2018 11:52
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:accepting military aid from a more powerful force does not immediately make you a puppet of that force, no. Compradors are agents of foreign interests, that doesn't mean they're puppets.
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Apr 17, 2018 11:58
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idk agent to me implies directly working for someone or thing. that the SDF and American interests temporarily match so they assist them doesnt make them an agent of the US.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:00
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just wait until i post pictures of YPG commanders hanging out with *gasp* Russian officers
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:idk agent to me implies directly working for someone or thing. that the SDF and American interests temporarily match so they assist them doesnt make them an agent of the US. the USA said they're not leaving. their interests are temporary in the sense that they'll be disposed of the instant they're no longer useful.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:06
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Morzhovyye posted:the USA said they're not leaving. their interests are temporary in the sense that they'll be disposed of the instant they're no longer useful. 
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Apr 17, 2018 12:08
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:just wait until i post pictures of YPG commanders hanging out with *gasp* Russian officers The Russians will be better able to defend them from Turkey than the USA, anyway.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:08
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U.S. troops not leaving Syria until goals accomplished: Haley only until the war on terror is over, any day now i bet...
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Apr 17, 2018 12:10
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Morzhovyye posted:U.S. troops not leaving Syria until goals accomplished: Haley idk i feel like the commander in chief has more authority over the american military than the UN ambassador
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Apr 17, 2018 12:12
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Trump believes whatever was the last thing he's told, and whatever he says shouldn't be taken seriously. The Foreign Policy Blob is going to assert its interests.
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even if he genuinely wants that, were not going anywhere. withdrawl can be dragged out until we get a new regime, at which point the process resets
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Apr 17, 2018 12:13
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Russians will be better able to defend them from Turkey than the USA, anyway.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:18
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like i'll see pro-assad types say that YPG are just american proxies but assadist troops have also aided them and the syrian government doesn't seem to consider them any enemy so what do i know? some wires are getting crossed somewhere. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 12:27 on Apr 17, 2018 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:also more consistent historically. syria has also long provided support for the PKK. the YPG-Assadist rift seems like a thing that exists mostly on the internet as some kind of bizarre cyber proxy war. admittedly i'm no expert but i'll see videos of YPG fighters with syrian officers boogying down and the situation looks more pragmatic than these debates make it out to be? online tankies view the world purely through a manichean lens where anything that runs contrary to american imperialism is Good, and anything not is Bad. they are incapable of geopolitical nuance, to the point it drives them to support right wing nationalist dictatorships against leftist revolutionary guerrillas.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:online tankies view the world purely through a manichean lens where anything that runs contrary to american imperialism is Good, and anything not is Bad. they are incapable of geopolitical nuance, to the point it drives them to support right wing authoritarian nationalist dictatorships against leftist revolutionary guerillas. ah
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:also more consistent historically. syria has also long provided support for the PKK. the YPG-Assadist rift seems like a thing that exists mostly on the internet as some kind of bizarre cyber proxy war. admittedly i'm no expert but i'll see videos of YPG fighters with syrian officers boogying down and the situation looks more pragmatic than these debates make it out to be? I don't think that animosity really came to a head until the YPG/SDF rushed all the oil fields east of the Euphrates before the SAA could liberate Deir ez Zor. Either way the Russians don't really care about that, and they can probably leverage an autonomy agreement. The easiest way to make the Americans leave is to offer the Kurds a fair deal with much better guarantees against Turkish belligerance than the United States can give them. The window for Turkey to invade Rojava is going to be completely shut when the SAA retakes the south, so those tensions will come to a head soon.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:27
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:online tankies view the world purely through a manichean lens where anything that runs contrary to american imperialism is Good, and anything not is Bad. they are incapable of geopolitical nuance, to the point it drives them to support right wing nationalist dictatorships against leftist revolutionary guerrillas.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:28
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building US bases in yet another middle eastern nation to own the tankies
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In b4 the 2 page derail where we start arguing over who's the Trotskyite.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:30
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:well anti-assadist types who are pro-YPG are also being a bit foolish too. this seems like another stalinoid-trotskyite feud with these groups standing in as proxies. obviously i dont like assad but wouldnt freak out if they made an agreement with the government and Russia if it was in their interest.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In b4 the 2 page derail where we start arguing over who's the Trotskyite.
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my main concern is that the government is fundamentally reactionary and will eventually not tolerate leftists doing leftist things in a third of their country. if there is a SDF-SAA alliance it will be temporary to ward off Turkey, but eventually they will betray them.
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Apr 17, 2018 12:34
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there's one right behind you right now in fact look! ... *flies away in a jetpack*
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The thing to remember about Assad is that in spite of looking like a hosed-up Edgar Allen Poe who’s been sucked through a neumatic tube, and also being some kind of huge computer nerd, he still managed to snag a gorgeous wife rebels should’ve known better than to go up against such a man
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What the hell is a comprador?
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lollontee posted:What the hell is a comprador? A quisling, a collaborator.
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Uhhuh... And how exactly is US collaboration with the YPG/SDF in achieving the long-term aims of Syrian Socialists a bad thing? I keep asking about this, but nobody ever gives me an answer. Has some bad thing happened because of it at some point? Because I don't think I've heard of any?
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(probably a real opinion someone has) rojava is a long term CIA psyop to convince US leftists (all 50,000 of them) to support intervention in Syria
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:online tankies view the world purely through a manichean lens where anything that runs contrary to american imperialism is Good, and anything not is Bad. they are incapable of geopolitical nuance, to the point it drives them to support right wing nationalist dictatorships against leftist revolutionary guerrillas. none us want to choose between a secular dictator or CIA/Saudi funded Wahhabis but here we are ill take Assad over the latter anyday if I had to choose
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Morzhovyye posted:actual leftist: U.S. intervention is bad... except when it's good :wicked: Stalin was an imperialist US stooge because he signed Lend Lease.
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:my main concern is that the government is fundamentally reactionary and will eventually not tolerate leftists doing leftist things in a third of their country. if there is a SDF-SAA alliance it will be temporary to ward off Turkey, but eventually they will betray them.
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