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LiquidFriend posted:We can go back and forth, because I can link plays like this all day. Great you linked an INT. Darnold threw four more of those than Gabbert in 19 less passes. They still have similar builds, throw similarly, appear to have the same amount of arm strength, both rolled out and broke from their pockets a ton in college. I think they're alike. I think there's a lot of other QBs that look big when they put their pads on, can deal with shifting pockets, and deliver similar passes. I'm not sure what else you're trying to argue here. Also Gabbert was highly rated coming out by a ton of pundits and was pretty much instantly thrown into the first round when he declared. It wasn't some weird hype train that got him drafted.
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Doltos posted:Great you linked an INT. Darnold threw four more of those than Gabbert in 19 less passes. They still have similar builds, throw similarly, appear to have the same amount of arm strength, both rolled out and broke from their pockets a ton in college. I think they're alike. I think there's a lot of other QBs that look big when they put their pads on, can deal with shifting pockets, and deliver similar passes. I'm not sure what else you're trying to argue here. If I were going to compare Gabbert to a current class QB, he'd be more similar to Josh Allen. LiquidFriend fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Some poo poo Think Piece posted:Uncoachable is a word associated with Rosen dating back to his time in high school at the Elite 11 camps. There, the story goes, Rosen didn't take to the coaching methods of former NFL quarterback and camp head Trent Dilfer. In a documentary about the camp, Dilfer is heard asking if Rosen "thinks he knows more than us." Rosen finished dead-last—11th—when the camp counselors ranked the quarterbacks at the end of the week. Josh Rosen is going to get passed on by real NFL teams, who have to know that Trent Dilfer is stupid, because he thinks Trent Dilfer is stupid.
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Scionix posted:can someone explain why trent dilfer thinks anyone should listen to him about anything kiss the ring
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LiquidFriend posted:I'd guess between the Steelers, Saints and Jaguars near the end of the first that one of those teams would take him. To add to this, apparently every single member of the Steelers fo (and tomlin?) were looking at him. I agree if he gets that far his upside means hes getting took
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Have a generational defense carry your no-talent rear end to a Super Bowl Title: the Trent Dilfer Method
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piss tape israel posted:Have a generational defense carry your no-talent rear end to a Super Bowl Title: the Trent Dilfer Method can't coach that! 
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piss tape israel posted:Have a generational defense carry your no-talent rear end to a Super Bowl Title: the Trent Dilfer Method Also the Tom Brady method!
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Blitz7x posted:This guy out an incredible amount of work into his mock and it makes me wanna vomit I could absolutely see the Chiefs not picking until the third round.
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Blitz7x posted:This guy out an incredible amount of work into his mock and it makes me wanna vomit (it's a neat write-up though)
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Fifty Three posted:all that work and he spelled it "saquan" He called Vince Biegel as Vince Bieber. But it was a good analysis.
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Blitz7x posted:This guy out an incredible amount of work into his mock and it makes me wanna vomit LVE and Hughes to the Packers would make me very happy. There's basically three players I'd be excited to see the Packers pick up in the first, barring a trade up into the next tier of players: Vander Esch, Fitzpatrick, and Vea. The other players I've seen mocked to the Packers all seem to have one caveat or another that make me concerned that there's a good chance they end up not having enough of an impact, or just simply won't a presence in their first couple seasons which is when the team really needs the help.
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Raiders trading back and getting an RB at 15 because he's a Gruden Grinder is dumb as hell and yet likely
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kidcoelacanth posted:The Bucs trading up for a running back is a concept that, imho, sucks That's not happening. Highly more likely they trade back to get that third rounder back they traded away for JPP.
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https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/986615238605799425 https://twitter.com/TomRock_Newsday/status/986614874817159168 Diva Cupcake fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Apr 18, 2018 |
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Is an RB really going to be drafted #2 overall in 2018? Or are they going to trade down and get him?
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Is an RB really going to be drafted #2 overall in 2018? Or are they going to trade down and get him? If they're somehow that enamored with them, they can't trade down, since they'd have to presume the Browns would snatch him at 4. So that's pretty funny if this isn't just noise.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Is an RB really going to be drafted #2 overall in 2018? Or are they going to trade down and get him? Not if the "homeless" of Cleveland have something to say about it.
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That means the Colts are going to draft him and then eventually trade him to the Giants for a million first round picks. After they win a Superbowl with him of course... edit: or Cleveland is going to take him #1 overall after dumping money for Carlos Hyde lmao
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Is an RB really going to be drafted #2 overall in 2018? Or are they going to trade down and get him? 
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Is an RB really going to be drafted #2 overall in 2018? Or are they going to trade down and get him? Gettleman drafted a lesser version of him last year at 8.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Is an RB really going to be drafted #2 overall in 2018? Or are they going to trade down and get him? I would draft Fournette or Zeke with the #2. Barkley seems like a top 15 guy and a really interesting piece but I don't like him between the tackles or when he meets someone head on. He's also not a churner when he gets contact either which is concerning. I pretty much always want running backs that have non stop leg movement since that's what breaks tackles or gets extra yards in the NFL. Also it's 2018 and people are still acting like RB's aren't incredibly important.
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Doltos posted:I would draft Fournette or Zeke with the #2. Barkley seems like a top 15 guy and a really interesting piece but I don't like him between the tackles or when he meets someone head on. He's also not a churner when he gets contact either which is concerning. I pretty much always want running backs that have non stop leg movement since that's what breaks tackles or gets extra yards in the NFL. Which small school RB is going to outperform him when a starter gets injured this year?
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Doltos posted:I would draft Fournette or Zeke with the #2. Barkley seems like a top 15 guy and a really interesting piece but I don't like him between the tackles or when he meets someone head on. He's also not a churner when he gets contact either which is concerning. I pretty much always want running backs that have non stop leg movement since that's what breaks tackles or gets extra yards in the NFL. Fournette is cool and good and my friend 
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Gumbel2Gumbel posted:Which small school RB is going to outperform him when a starter gets injured this year? You mean which small school RB is going to put up 5 YPC against a defense that doesn't care about him then have him disappear three weeks later when they leave a LB in the box? I dunno I kinda like Rashaad Penny this year. Nyheim Hines is the sleeper scatback. Justin Jackson from Northwestern tested really well as did Roc Thomas from Jacksonville State. There's also a guy from Fordham I still have to watch named Chase Edmonds who pretty much wrecked everyone in the shuttle and cone drill. All of them are not nearly as talented or deliver the same type of threat out the backfield as Barkley or Guice.
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Doltos posted:Also it's 2018 and people are still acting like RB's aren't incredibly important. Whereas the failure rate of QB's outside of the 1st round is pretty high, you cannot say the same for RBs.
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Doltos posted:I would draft Fournette or Zeke with the #2. Barkley seems like a top 15 guy and a really interesting piece but I don't like him between the tackles or when he meets someone head on. He's also not a churner when he gets contact either which is concerning. I pretty much always want running backs that have non stop leg movement since that's what breaks tackles or gets extra yards in the NFL. Holding all other variables equal, spending a high first round pick on a RB instead of a premier position will yield less utility on average. RB's have short careers, easily transition to the pros, and outside of special teamers are the most fungible position. You are an idiot.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:Holding all other variables equal, spending a high first round pick on a RB instead of a premier position will yield less utility on average. RB's have short careers, easily transition to the pros, and outside of special teamers are the most fungible position. Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Whereas the failure rate of QB's outside of the 1st round is pretty high, you cannot say the same for RBs. It's amazing how this argument comes up every year in the draft thread and now it's happening multiple times a year because these morons think they've cracked the code.
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Looking at how little the top RB's are being paid and how the middle class of RB contracts is gutted, I'd argue the code's been cracked.
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Doltos posted:It's amazing how this argument comes up every year in the draft thread and now it's happening multiple times a year because these morons think they've cracked the code. I like how you presented many counter arguments.
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Diva Cupcake posted:https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/986615238605799425 I love that the giants are stupid.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I like how you presented many counter arguments. I've become world weary presenting my counter arguments to this because it happens so much. Hang on I'll just link the previous posts about this stupid topic full of stupid idiots who think production = skill and ignore the hundreds of failed RBs that get drafted in the later rounds.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Not with that OL Right? Why would they set up a rookie RB to fail so badly?
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Kalli posted:Looking at how little the top RB's are being paid and how the middle class of RB contracts is gutted, I'd argue the code's been cracked.
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Doltos posted:EVERY loving YEAR WITH THIS poo poo Doltos posted:IT"S ALWAYS THE SAME GOD drat ARGUMENT Doltos posted:The counter argument is that a good back is measured in more than just yards. You have to take into account how threatening the back is out of the backfield. If someones sucking two LBs into the box each play averaging 4 ypc and a guy is sucking one LB into the box each play averaging 4.5 ypc, then the former is more valuable than the latter. A RB is also asked to do it all now, and the guys who can run, catch, and block are in short supply, thus necessitating a higher pick just because of supply and demand. A RB's shelf life may be shorter, but every shelf life is short if the player isn't good enough to play. In addition if a RB gives you 4 great years while a different position gives you 6 good years, the former is again more valuable. Also people are willfully ignorant of all the late round RBs that never contribute.
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