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Halloween Jack posted:I think when you use a Soul Gem you're basically burning a fuel source to forge an enchanted item or power one. So what ends up in the Soul Cairn is a pale, helpless, depleted creature. I don't know. Non-existence might be preferable to being an imprisoned consciousness, stripped of everything that defines it (presumably all memories/experiences, capacity to understand what is happening to it, etc), forever. I wonder what the ability to trap Vivec's soul in a gem means in terms of Dragon Breaks, etc. Is Vivec both trapped in a soul gem and not trapped in one?
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axolotl farmer posted:I want to hear more about this. according to anonymous insiders and corroborated with "videos of the game" they went way too bonkers with their custom assets and added like 30000 poly trees and poo poo to make crazy looking screenshots and really cluttered the hell out of the landscapes. a rock or a tree or a plant every few inches. interiors work OK, exteriors are 20 fps or slideshow until they redo some of the areas. it's a fantastic screenshot simulator though lol notice how all of their showoff public videos are "caves and mines" and try to take place in as many interiors as possible heres a good twitch vid that shows uh.....balmora and lag https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqg8b97_djQ&t=1929s
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Apr 11, 2018 16:37
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I preferred thinking that my sword was causing fire damage because I haphazardly strapped a Minotaur soul to it. At least bound weapons are still technically Daedra right?
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Apr 11, 2018 17:03
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Hodgepodge posted:I wonder what the ability to trap Vivec's soul in a gem means in terms of Dragon Breaks, etc. Is Vivec both trapped in a soul gem and not trapped in one? since he is both in time and outside of time, i think you are correct mortal vivec would be trapped/annihilated/whatever while immortal vivec, who is both momentary and eternal, remains
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Apr 11, 2018 17:09
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I never played any Elder Scrolls games before Skyrim, so I don't know what the mythology has to do with Vivec Chibber. But I'm glad you guys are into it, international solidarity is important.Nasgate posted:I preferred thinking that my sword was causing fire damage because I haphazardly strapped a Minotaur soul to it.
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Apr 11, 2018 17:19
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If the Soul Cairn was any indicator, though perhaps less so for bestial souls, soul trapping is somewhat of contract or conduit through which one taps into the power of Aetherius, in the same way one taps into the power flowing into Mundus via the Eye of Magnus and related magicka lore concepts. So, it’s less of a can of kerosene and more of a battery powered wi-fi dongle that is downloading fire into your sword.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:39
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Isn’t there some lore from Battlespire that clarifies that the souls in the Cairn aren’t those used for enchanting, but rather they were sold to the Ideal Masters for... I dunno, necromancy stuff? I know that in Battlespire a lot of the ghosts and skeletons seem pretty happy to be there.
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Apr 11, 2018 18:59
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Well, Serana says she thinks that only black souls go to the Soul Cairn. That doesn't explain why there are some ghost cows there, or Arvak. But ghost cows are funny, and Arvak is Such a Good Horse.
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Apr 11, 2018 19:09
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Halloween Jack posted:Well, Serana says she thinks that only black souls go to the Soul Cairn. That doesn't explain why there are some ghost cows there, or Arvak. But ghost cows are funny, and Arvak is Such a Good Horse. Arvak was a horse with a sentient soul The Humanborn
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Apr 11, 2018 19:27
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Some people thought it'd be a good idea to fill black soul gems with cow souls I suppose.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:42
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Cat Mattress posted:Some people thought it'd be a good idea to fill black soul gems with cow souls I suppose. They represent the times that mages without Azura's Star would soul trap creatures and have the soul immediately inhabit their most expensive gem god dammit
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Apr 11, 2018 20:52
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That makes as much sense as anything else. Necromancers do weird poo poo for no reason.
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Apr 11, 2018 20:52
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Its kind of weird that necromancers are treated by writers as big evil wizards if black gems just transport you to a party tower. That sounds way better than what happens to all the other unfortunate trapped souls
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Apr 11, 2018 20:57
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I don't really know all the lore, all I know is that sealing Maro's soul seemed an apt punishment for what he did to my dark brothers and sisters. And I put the gem in a trophy case in my house so I hope that means he's suffering eternally. I loved the DB questline, most emotional part of Skyrim to me.
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Apr 11, 2018 21:31
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I hope you soul trapped the Emperor too.
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Apr 11, 2018 21:53
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Mountaineer posted:I hope you soul trapped the Emperor too. It's bad form to soul trap your clients.
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Apr 12, 2018 00:38
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Minor theorycraft: According to C0da, vivec returns in the 24th century to marry the starship enterprise, or whatever, but it's generally accepted that Vivec somehow maintains his god powers. My theory is that once Vivec lost his power when cut off from The Heart, he went and did what the "official story" of the tribunal temple was. IIRC in morrowind, the tribunal temple says that ALMSIVI achieved apotheosis through virtue, sacrifice, hard livin and questing and poo poo. I think that Vivec did that. That's why he's disappeared. just a thought. Also i think that the mudcrab merchant is a shezzarine
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Apr 12, 2018 00:44
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If you soul trap the mud crab merchant does it fill a regular or black soul gem...?
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Apr 12, 2018 01:12
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Jeff Goldblum posted:If you soul trap the mud crab merchant does it fill a regular or black soul gem...? 1) It's classified as a creature, so white 2) There are no black soul gems in Morrowind 3) Vivec is also classified as a creature in the CS and thus can fill a soul gem
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Cantorsdust posted:1) It's classified as a creature, so white So I decided to start the Civil War purely to get Ulfric and Growly to shut the gently caress up after spending 30 minutes running in and out of the Palace of Kings during blood on the ice. Amusing as mishearing "Then let them die with their false kings" as "Then let them die with their foreskins" was it got old. Goddamn they really hosed this whole questline up.
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Apr 18, 2018 15:23
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Is there a big "Legion or Stormcloaks?" debate I can go back and read, or should I start it all over again? Because I frankly like the Empire more than Ulfric's movement, but of course I hate the Thalmor more than anything.
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Apr 18, 2018 15:40
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A Sometimes Food posted:So I decided to start the Civil War purely to get Ulfric and Growly to shut the gently caress up after spending 30 minutes running in and out of the Palace of Kings during blood on the ice. even worse is the lauded "civil war overhaul" mod did little more than increase the length of the battles and increase the number of battles total idk how you mess up a civil war that bad lol, not like there's any real repercussions either way
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there a big "Legion or Stormcloaks?" debate I can go back and read, or should I start it all over again? Because I frankly like the Empire more than Ulfric's movement, but of course I hate the Thalmor more than anything. If it helps any, the Empire hates the Thalmor as well, but have to play by their rules because they know they're not strong enough to face them militarily yet. Ulfric works for/with the Thalmor on occasion, and started this whole civil war as a power play to see him the high king, and not as an independance revolt.
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Apr 18, 2018 15:52
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there a big "Legion or Stormcloaks?" debate I can go back and read, or should I start it all over again? Because I frankly like the Empire more than Ulfric's movement, but of course I hate the Thalmor more than anything. I mean if you want to side with the dudes who were about to chop your head off after acknowledging they had no paperwork saying they had to, knock yourself out dude.
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Apr 18, 2018 15:54
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The civil war questline was apparently supposed to be a lot more complex, but they cut out most of it. Same with the mage storyline.
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Apr 18, 2018 15:55
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Can't I just kill everyone and make myself king of everything?
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there a big "Legion or Stormcloaks?" debate I can go back and read, or should I start it all over again? Because I frankly like the Empire more than Ulfric's movement, but of course I hate the Thalmor more than anything. Ulfric is fighting for the religious freedom of his people, the Empire is a bunch of elf-lovers, who can't get enough of Thalmor cock in their throats.
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Even despite being portrayed as the Good Guys that you're defending in multiple games the empire has incompetence'd their way to world-cataclysmic events multiple times, and historically IRL trying to forcibly homogenize multiple ethnic groups under one culture......usually doesn't work
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Halloween Jack posted:Can't I just kill everyone and make myself king of everything? Sadly not, but like always, there's a mod to make yourself high king.
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Neurolimal posted:Even despite being portrayed as the Good Guys that you're defending in multiple games the empire has incompetence'd their way to world-cataclysmic events multiple times, and historically IRL trying to forcibly homogenize multiple ethnic groups under one culture......usually doesn't work It worked for the Empire for about 400 years. Yeah the Altmer nursed a grudge but don't discount that the Empire was very succesful. There is a great spirited debate but fundamentally it's your choice. Just don't come crying to me when you side with Ulfric and hear the hurt in Balgruuf the Greater's voice when you betray him and realize that you chose incorrectly.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Just don't come crying to me when you side with Ulfric and hear the hurt in Balgruuf the Greater's voice when you betray him and realize that you chose incorrectly. The actual reason I don't side with the Stormcloaks.
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Halloween Jack posted:Can't I just kill everyone and make myself king of everything? Install the Yes Man mod
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Halloween Jack posted:Is there a big "Legion or Stormcloaks?" debate I can go back and read, or should I start it all over again? Because I frankly like the Empire more than Ulfric's movement, but of course I hate the Thalmor more than anything. There's literally no valid reason to join the stormcloaks if you're not a dumb racist. If you're religious, Talos is the empire of man. If you hate Thalmor, a united empire is better. If you care about Skyrim, the Empire ensures better trade and more fair laws. If you're not a Nord, stormcloaks want you dead. If you're a poor Nord, stormcloaks want you dead.
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Just remember that the Thalmor absolutely love Ulfric's war and are doing everything they can to encourage it to weaken the empire. There's evidence in their embassy that they're directly manipulating Ulfric, probably without his conscious knowledge, and might have given him the idea in the first place. Basically if you support the Stormcloaks you are 100% a pawn of the Thalmor carrying out their will. Chump.
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Apr 18, 2018 16:11
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These vagaries are making it difficult to determine the best path to ruling the entire world from my sweet vampire castle.
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Nasgate posted:There's literally no valid reason to join the stormcloaks if you're not a dumb racist. lol this thalmor sympathizer
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Halloween Jack posted:These vagaries are making it difficult to determine the best path to ruling the entire world from my sweet vampire castle. There's a mod with a little mini-quest that gives you a kick rear end vampire castle not far from Whiterun
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Neurolimal posted:Even despite being portrayed as the Good Guys that you're defending in multiple games the empire has incompetence'd their way to world-cataclysmic events multiple times, and historically IRL trying to forcibly homogenize multiple ethnic groups under one culture......usually doesn't work In Tamriel ethnicity recapitulates culture: significant changes to a culture correspond with (result in?) physical changes as well. Cf the Chimer and Dunmer (and imho Dwemer), Orc legends of their own origins, the Bretons, arguably the Nords and Imperials themselves. Though I agree a single united human culture still seems impossible and a terrible idea, even with dragons and magic
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Randaconda posted:There's a mod with a little mini-quest that gives you a kick rear end vampire castle not far from Whiterun Which one?
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The best part of how bad the civil war is just walking into Ulfric's throne room and talking to him after helping the Empire take back everywhere else. And then like purchasing housing from his steward. Even better if you do it wearing his buddy's armour.Neurolimal posted:Even despite being portrayed as the Good Guys that you're defending in multiple games the empire has incompetence'd their way to world-cataclysmic events multiple times, and historically IRL trying to forcibly homogenize multiple ethnic groups under one culture......usually doesn't work I mean if we're bringing RL into this then the only moral and ethical answer is as always, to kill the people yelling for an ethnostate and selling themselves as "True [INSERT NATIONALITY}".
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