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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

From what I remember, the logic was basically that it was the test from The Matrix. I would be shocked if a bunch of people didn't just steal the idea from the movie. The Illuminati hides little warnings and clues everywhere to prepare people for planned disasters and quietly ask if they're okay with the Illuminati running the world. Then when bad things happen people stay calm, something-something sheeple.

They slip a 9/11 warning into the Simpsons to prep people for 9/11. When it happens all the regular people see it and subconsciously realize it's a secret plot, but agree to go along with the story out of fear or because they like the Illuminati running things.

It's pretty ingenious because it simultaneously explains why these secret rulers keep leaving obvious clues in plain sight, while also declaring 99% of the world sheeple compared to the brave 1% who can "see the truth."

But, conspiracy theory stuff is pretty fractured anymore so everyone' probably has their own explanation. I know a lot of the crowd seemed to get into "Chaos Magick" so literal spells probably play in too now.
I've followed the "predictive programming" conspiracy theories semi-intensely and as far as I can tell there are six main justifications for them.

1) "Thoughts create reality." This is literally magic, along the lines of The Secret, where if enough people think about a thing then that thing will be attracted to happen because of reverse magnetism. This is why there's so much dystopian YA fiction - if it's popular enough it will, by the Law of Attraction, bring about a totalitarian government where everybody is enslaved.
2) "Revelation of the method." This is like the Illuminati calling their shot on the 8-ball. By planting these "clues" they're kind of asking permission or declaring their intentions, and if people don't resist then they can go ahead with their plan. It's like some kind of weird mythical perversion of sovereign-citizen legal beliefs where you create joinder with the Rothschilds by watching Batman movies.
3) "Acquiescence as inevitable." This is the idea that seeing something in fiction will make you more likely to accept it IRL. So for example, Star Trek communicators were a plot to get people used to flip phones. Once flip phones appeared people just bought them and didn't really think about it (I'm not sure what they would have done otherwise). This seems like the most popular version of all the 9/11 predictive programming theories. But this seems to contradict all the theories about 9/11 that say it was meant to get people to react ULTRA HARD and go way overboard and give up all the freedoms, not to just shrug and move on.
4) "Dismissal as fiction." This one is almost more plausible. The idea is that the conspirators are planting references to plots they're carrying out in fiction, so that people will dismiss any (correct) conspiracy theories as fictional. So for example, the conspirators want to kill all old people, so they added it as a plot point to Logan's Run. This way when people complained about Obamacare bringing in Death Panels they got mocked for thinking there'd be a giant wheel that shoots flying 30-year-olds with energy beams.
5) "Controlled opposition." This one is pretty rare - the idea is that speculative ficiton shows us situations in the future that we might find ourselves in, and anyone who wants to resist a dystopian-style government will do what the movie heroes do. This way the conspirators can channel everyone into a fake resistance movement that is actually also controlled by the conspiracy.
6) "Just taunting some fuckers"

Predictive programming is basically free-for-all QAnon with pop culture instead of deliberately cryptic chan posts.

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Ichabod Sexbeast
Dec 5, 2011

Giving 'em the old razzle-dazzle
The Nostradamus Hustle is my favourite Robert Redford movie

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

1) "Thoughts create reality." This is literally magic, along the lines of The Secret, where if enough people think about a thing then that thing will be attracted to happen because of reverse magnetism. This is why there's so much dystopian YA fiction - if it's popular enough it will, by the Law of Attraction, bring about a totalitarian government where everybody is enslaved.

Idealism can make one nuts.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

BrandorKP posted:

Idealism can make one nuts.

I've always wondered with those the Secret folks, like how the gently caress do they explain the Holocaust? Like, what, did the folks in the concentration camps just not really mind it all that much? Because if ever there was a time when you had millions of people wanting/hoping/wishing for the same thing "please, please, let me be anywhere but here right now" I think the Holocaust would be it.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I've always wondered with those the Secret folks, like how the gently caress do they explain the Holocaust? Like, what, did the folks in the concentration camps just not really mind it all that much? Because if ever there was a time when you had millions of people wanting/hoping/wishing for the same thing "please, please, let me be anywhere but here right now" I think the Holocaust would be it.

They didn't wish it in a direct enough way.
Or the Nazis wanted it more.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

I've always wondered with those the Secret folks, like how the gently caress do they explain the Holocaust? Like, what, did the folks in the concentration camps just not really mind it all that much? Because if ever there was a time when you had millions of people wanting/hoping/wishing for the same thing "please, please, let me be anywhere but here right now" I think the Holocaust would be it.
They deal with this in the Secret book. Basically they think that the universe doesn't understand negation. So if you think "don't put me in a camp" you're just sending out vibrations into the universe that match the "put me in a camp" frequency and making it more likely to happen.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

They deal with this in the Secret book. Basically they think that the universe doesn't understand negation. So if you think "don't put me in a camp" you're just sending out vibrations into the universe that match the "put me in a camp" frequency and making it more likely to happen.

God drat that's terrible.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Ague Proof posted:

God drat that's terrible.
The Secret is the loving worst. It's basically prosperity gospel + new age + corporate synergy - even says Jesus was a millionaire. It's also your fault if you get cancer, btw. Probably didn't laugh enough.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I can't believe this numbnuts is treated like some kind of prophet when all he does is give out the political equivalent of horoscopes.

Oh no poo poo there's gonna be a shooting soon? Wow look at that, a shooting happened in a time where shootings happen every other day, I guess the deep state is real.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Lurdiak posted:

I can't believe this numbnuts is treated like some kind of prophet when all he does is give out the political equivalent of horoscopes.

Oh no poo poo there's gonna be a shooting soon? Wow look at that, a shooting happened in a time where shootings happen every other day, I guess the deep state is real.

Someone famous, soon, will die from a drug overdose. Probably opiates and IV drug use accidentally mixed with cocaine +\- Xanax.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Today is someone's birthday.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler
You gotta do it Q style. Line breaks and random square brackets.

Who is Jennifer Aniston seeing right now?
unit_35f_[CODE_RED]_conf
Follow Beyonce.
Why Jay-Z?
Coachella.
Why is this relevant?
Who knows where the [Grammys] are buried?
Dark Side of the Moon.
Wizard of Oz.
Chumbawamba.

Feinne
Oct 9, 2007

When you fall, get right back up again.
That proof is pretty irrefutable, frankly, Rob Schneider (who in this picture Jennifer Aniston is looking at), agent of the Deep State, will attempt to sabotage a Beyonce performance in order to usher in the New World Order but will be thwarted and finally sent to Guantanamo when Q's allies come Over the Rainbow to unseal the indictment against him.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

You gotta do it Q style. Line breaks and random square brackets.

Who is Jennifer Aniston seeing right now?
unit_35f_[CODE_RED]_conf
Follow Beyonce.
Why Jay-Z?
Coachella.
Why is this relevant?
Who knows where the [Grammys] are buried?
Dark Side of the Moon.
Wizard of Oz.
Chumbawamba.

It's kind of an unspoken story that the Internet appears to be enabling people with mental illness to deepen their psychosis with group anti-therapy.

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

You gotta do it Q style. Line breaks and random square brackets.

Who is Jennifer Aniston seeing right now?
unit_35f_[CODE_RED]_conf
Follow Beyonce.
Why Jay-Z?
Coachella.
Why is this relevant?
Who knows where the [Grammys] are buried?
Dark Side of the Moon.
Wizard of Oz.
Chumbawamba.

Using musicians is a nice touch. It opens up interpretations to not just pull from the person's actions, but also from the lyrics in their entire discography.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres

Feinne posted:

That proof is pretty irrefutable, frankly, Rob Schneider (who in this picture Jennifer Aniston is looking at), agent of the Deep State, will attempt to sabotage a Beyonce performance in order to usher in the New World Order but will be thwarted and finally sent to Guantanamo when Q's allies come Over the Rainbow to unseal the indictment against him.

And when it doesn't happen you have several options:

-- Schneider is under super-secret-double-probation so as not to tip off the Deep State, and is wearing an ankle bracelet (or if wearing shorts, possibly a tracker on his toes [unless wearing sandals] or potentially nutsack). The brilliant legal minds of the Trump Administration have turned him and even now he is spilling his guts about Satanic cabals.

-- Schneider is actually at Gitmo but the frantic Deep State has substituted a body double, so now is the time to pull up every picture of Schneider you got and start comparing moles and cowlick to identify the imposter following the principal's black-bagging. It is vitally important to tweet this extensively with MSPaint lines indicating where your viewer should look.

-- ???? TRUST THE PLAN

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
Okay, I know that this is just classic anti-semitism, but what the gently caress is the "Khazarian mafia"? https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8cp3t6/chabad_khazarian_gangsters_posing_as_jews_from/

Reflections85
Apr 30, 2013

Deathy McDeath posted:

Okay, I know that this is just classic anti-semitism, but what the gently caress is the "Khazarian mafia"? https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8cp3t6/chabad_khazarian_gangsters_posing_as_jews_from/

An old racist belief is that Ashkenazi Jews aren't really Jewish but actually belong to an ethnic group called the Khazars. The Khazars were real and at least their royalty converted to Judaism, but there is no evidence that European Jews are their descendants. It's mostly used by antisemites to either argue that their group is the real Jews or to argue that they are not antisemitic because they only hate fake Jews. As far as I can tell, QAnon people also believe that in reality they don't even follow Judaism but are Satanists secretly controlling / composing the majority of the Jewish people.

(Chabad itself is a bit controversial, since for awhile they seemed to believe that the Rebbe was the messiah, making most orthodox Jews [and most Jews who heard] pretty mad. They've officially stopped that and deny they ever did; now they mostly just do Jewish outreach trying to convince secular Jews to become more religious. And have great food.)

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
There's an old NSFWCorp article by Yasha Levine digging into Chabad-Lubavitch racism, misogyny, and generalized right-wing fringery, and Cory Booker's close ties to them, but it's paywalled.

Illuminti
Dec 3, 2005

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

Best Korea posted:

When they're wrong and nothing happens they love to claim it was because they exposed the plot and the illuminati had to drop their plans. A few years ago people on Youtube swore they'd stopped a terrorist attack at the Super Bowl because they made videos claiming Bane attacking a football game in the last Batman movie was proof it was going to happen. Before The Simpsons predicted Trump thing, they were fixated on Batman movies because of the Aurora shooting. There was also a map in one of them that had a place called "Sandy Hook" which proves it was all connected somehow.

I remember when they were predicting Jade Helm was the start of B. Hussein Al'Bama's countrywide takeover. Seemingly based on the fact that Walmart had closed a store.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Illuminti posted:

I remember when they were predicting Jade Helm was the start of B. Hussein Al'Bama's countrywide takeover. Seemingly based on the fact that Walmart had closed a store.
My favorite part of the "Jade Helm 15" conspiracy theories was the interpretation that French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius' 2014 quote that the world has "500 days to avoid climate chaos" (during paris treaty signature) was a warning that a comet will cause the apocalypse in 500 days during the operation. Fabius is not even good at hiding they hosed up and gave HIV contaminated blood to blood banks during the 80s so obviously, hey here he is warning us about an end of time event.

Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Apr 18, 2018

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?
I do find it interesting how apocalypse predictions sorta "fall out" of uber-conspiracies like Qanon and previous Illuminati-adjacent storylines. There's always someone shouting about the end of the world, even if they're shuffled off to the fringes.

In the lead-up to the 2016 election, when fake news sites were really amping up, a lot of them seemed fixated on Nibiru, a.k.a. Planet X, and how it was prophesized to return to our solar system and collide with Earth and kill us all. This interacted strangely with the political climate of the day, so you'd see articles about how Obama was SHOCKED and DEVASTATED by Putin's declaration that the American government was hiding Nibiru's existence from the American people. If only Obama showed TRUE LEADERSHIP, like Putin is doing, the American people would know the truth!

If anything, I'm surprised that Qanon people aren't more-openly apocalyptic, as a good portion of them are convinced that they are in a literal battle against Satan's army on Earth, headed by the Whore of Babylon Hillary Clinton.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Internal/External narrative divide at work, if you ascribe.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Why is an astronomical extinction event something the president of the US needs to do something about?

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Apr 18, 2018

Paladin
Nov 26, 2004
You lost today, kid. But that doesn't mean you have to like it.


Crunch Buttsteak posted:

I do find it interesting how apocalypse predictions sorta "fall out" of uber-conspiracies like Qanon and previous Illuminati-adjacent storylines. There's always someone shouting about the end of the world, even if they're shuffled off to the fringes.

In the lead-up to the 2016 election, when fake news sites were really amping up, a lot of them seemed fixated on Nibiru, a.k.a. Planet X, and how it was prophesized to return to our solar system and collide with Earth and kill us all. This interacted strangely with the political climate of the day, so you'd see articles about how Obama was SHOCKED and DEVASTATED by Putin's declaration that the American government was hiding Nibiru's existence from the American people. If only Obama showed TRUE LEADERSHIP, like Putin is doing, the American people would know the truth!

If anything, I'm surprised that Qanon people aren't more-openly apocalyptic, as a good portion of them are convinced that they are in a literal battle against Satan's army on Earth, headed by the Whore of Babylon Hillary Clinton.

So the really WEIRD version of Scooby Doo that aired around that time and focused on Nibiru was taken as apocalyptic signaling? That makes it even better.

I've been conspiracy watching since the late 90s and I always assumed their beliefs are apocalyptic but they're just... bad at acting on that because they aren't good planners?

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

The apocalypses usually have an "out" for those who know about them, like pre-tribulation rapture does. It's about the believers being spared and getting to watch their doubters and enemies be destroyed, and for the qanon set that purpose is fulfilled by The Indictments. Any day now, they'll be vindicated and Hillary will be sent off to the FEMA camps.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm not sure a rogue planet is really very choosy about what portions of the human race it wipes out. Unless they all get on elon musk's spaceship and launch themselves to mars.

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?

OwlFancier posted:

Why is an astronomical extinction event something the president of the US needs to do something about?

No idea. I saw it mostly on the weird "Real USA Patriot" news blogs, and they all had weird pro-Putin slants to them. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that it was initially spat out by a really weird Russian algorithm.

Regardless, it stuck with some people. There were a few freepers that yelled "Google Nibiru!" in a bunch of threads back in the day, but they mostly stuck to the UFO conspiracy side of the site that the Freep thread here mostly ignores.

TapTheForwardAssist
Apr 9, 2007

Pretty Little Lyres
Apparently "strike package" is the new hot term all the kids are googling.

It'd be way more prophetic if we weren't *already* bombing Syria. I'm still unclear why people get excited about Q stating what's happening in the news as though it required insider access.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pretty sure strike package is what they call the airstrike in COD4 so they're a bit behind the times.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Rape Stink posted:

I don't get how it's more believable that Q is a solitary nutter conning millions for absolutely no gain whatsoever, than it is that Q is an extention of the ongoing Russian misinformation psyop that every intelligence agency in the world agrees is happening.
There's a whole community of people who have spent years and a not-inconsiderable amount of money just to troll Chris-chan.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

OwlFancier posted:

Pretty sure strike package is what they call the airstrike in COD4 so they're a bit behind the times.

It's what happened to Steve Scalise.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

OwlFancier posted:

Pretty sure strike package is what they call the airstrike in COD4 so they're a bit behind the times.

In my day it was called tipping. Or Bangkok

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
"Strike package" has been military jargon for "whatever combination of bombs/missiles/etc are carried by aircraft on a sortie against a specific target" since at least the 1980s.

Apart from business and the social sciences, nobody does dense-bordering-on-incomprehensible jargon like the armed forces. I'm a navy brat and a professional military historian and I still barely understand most of it.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Apr 18, 2018

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
It's also mega homoerotic as a plus.

Best Korea
Feb 15, 2012

Illuminti posted:

I remember when they were predicting Jade Helm was the start of B. Hussein Al'Bama's countrywide takeover. Seemingly based on the fact that Walmart had closed a store.

That Walmart closed because the workers tried to unionize.

Toplowtech posted:

My favorite part of the "Jade Helm 15" conspiracy theories was the interpretation that French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius' 2014 quote that the world has "500 days to avoid climate chaos" (during paris treaty signature) was a warning that a comet will cause the apocalypse in 500 days during the operation. Fabius is not even good at hiding they hosed up and gave HIV contaminated blood to blood banks during the 80s so obviously, hey here he is warning us about an end of time event.

Is he the one who's supposed to have let it slip that the UN's in contact with aliens?

OwlFancier posted:

Why is an astronomical extinction event something the president of the US needs to do something about?

Because in movies when life on earth's about to get wiped out, the president reveals secret space tech and takes all the best and brightest to start a colony on another planet.

Halloween Jack posted:

There's a whole community of people who have spent years and a not-inconsiderable amount of money just to troll Chris-chan.

At one point they were utterly convinced that one of his trolls was a military historian because he was having Chris repeat slogans from Wolfenstein. I wonder how much crossover there is between them and QAnon.

Best Korea fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 18, 2018

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Ague Proof posted:

It's what happened to Steve Scalise.

:stare:

Gum
Mar 9, 2008

oho, a rapist
time to try this puppy out

OwlFancier posted:

I'm not sure a rogue planet is really very choosy about what portions of the human race it wipes out. Unless they all get on elon musk's spaceship and launch themselves to mars.

Nibiru is a magic planet

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

OwlFancier posted:

I'm not sure a rogue planet is really very choosy about what portions of the human race it wipes out. Unless they all get on elon musk's spaceship and launch themselves to mars.

Not if you abandon your meat body and hitch a ride on a passing spaceship-disguised-as-a-comet first!

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Illuminti
Dec 3, 2005

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

Toplowtech posted:

My favorite part of the "Jade Helm 15" conspiracy theories was the interpretation that French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius' 2014 quote that the world has "500 days to avoid climate chaos" (during paris treaty signature) was a warning that a comet will cause the apocalypse in 500 days during the operation. Fabius is not even good at hiding they hosed up and gave HIV contaminated blood to blood banks during the 80s so obviously, hey here he is warning us about an end of time event.

I mean that sounds silly, yes. But think about it......his name is LAURENT FABIUS and he's French.....case closed.


I would seriously consider that to the kind of people who thought Jade Helm was a real thing and that Nibiru is coming any minute Mr Fabius might as well have a tattoo of the all seeing eye on his forehead.

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