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Fiedler: Jun 29, 2002; I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

Vendor lock-in, in the cloud? Who could have guessed.

# ? Apr 17, 2018 16:34

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 08:49

orange sky: May 7, 2007

Cloud vendors should be forced to have a comprehensive migration procedure between them

# ? Apr 17, 2018 18:52

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; Can't post for 11 hours!

Fame Douglas posted:

Does LTSB still have the annoying bug where subsequently opened windows act as if the previous iteration of that program wasn't closed and open a bit lower and to the right of the previous window (like happens when you're opening multiple Explorer windows, for example)?

# ? Apr 17, 2018 18:56

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

TjyvTompa posted:

I have LTSB at work and yes, this happens constantly.

Neat. Is that seriously an ltsb-only bug?

# ? Apr 17, 2018 18:59

Fame Douglas: Nov 20, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

univbee posted:

Neat. Is that seriously an ltsb-only bug?

It was present in the first iteration of regular Windows 10 as well, but patched in a subsequent feature update. Because LTSB doesn't get feature updates, the bug remains.

# ? Apr 17, 2018 19:15

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

Fame Douglas posted:

It was present in the first iteration of regular Windows 10 as well, but patched in a subsequent feature update. Because LTSB doesn't get feature updates, the bug remains.

ahhh, i imagine it must be fixed in one of the yearly ltsb builds they release.

# ? Apr 17, 2018 19:19

Joe 30330: Dec 20, 2007; "We have this notion that if you're poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids."

As the audience reluctantly began to applaud during the silence, Biden tried to fix his remarks.

"Wealthy kids, black kids, Asian kids -- no, I really mean it." Biden said.

Fame Douglas posted:

It was present in the first iteration of regular Windows 10 as well, but patched in a subsequent feature update. Because LTSB doesn't get feature updates, the bug remains.

Microsoft.

# ? Apr 17, 2018 23:45

Just-In-Timeberlake: Aug 18, 2003

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/former-microsoft-designer-leaks-likely-future-of-windows-and-xbox-avatars/

goddamn microsoft is so cool again

# ? Apr 18, 2018 01:29

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

considering how obvious a shitshow the current state of iot is this actually seems like a really good plan by microsoft

in that it is obviously a trick to lock functioning iot into talking to azure by default

its based on a loving cortex a7

# ? Apr 18, 2018 01:34

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

what should an iot soc implementation use?

# ? Apr 18, 2018 01:37

ClassActionFursuit: Mar 15, 2006

Fame Douglas posted:

Does LTSB still have the annoying bug where subsequently opened windows act as if the previous iteration of that program wasn't closed and open a bit lower and to the right of the previous window (like happens when you're opening multiple Explorer windows, for example)?

my favorite thing about microsoft products is that each version fixes some arcane never shouldve existed bug and replaces it with an equally arcane though now completely different bug but all the while the level of annoyance stays roughly the same throughout

remember when excel spreadsheets couldnt be displayed in the hover preview in windows 7?

my favorite was in outlook 2010 if you used an email template that session then any time after that if you moused over the contact card in an open email it would reopen the email template you used but it would only do it one time. idk if it required a certain combo of os version and outlook options but its entirely reproducible

its like the entire organization exists just to provide office workers with some precise amount of low level irritation

# ? Apr 18, 2018 18:18

Happy_Misanthrope: Aug 3, 2007; "I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

Fame Douglas posted:

Also, maybe fix the longstanding UWP multi monitor bug where fullscreen minimizes when another application is opened on the first screen. Kinda ridiculous behavior for a system called "Windows".

I raised this to feedback in the beta builds of Windows 8, jesus

# ? Apr 18, 2018 19:01

Just-In-Timeberlake: Aug 18, 2003

the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was making somebody important at microsoft think displaying anything that looks like a large number in excel as scientific notation without giving the option to turn that dumb loving feature off

https://excel.uservoice.com/forums/...570a8520110555f

# ? Apr 18, 2018 20:10

BangersInMyKnickers: Nov 3, 2004; I have a thing for courageous dongles

I am a super big fan of outlook's habit of giving me popup reminders for .ics attachments in my gmail account that are 4+ years old. Very timely, A+ reminder.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 21:46

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

hey speaking of excel check this out:
open excel
make a new tab
enter some data
undo a change
delete a tab

if you performed a redo operation at this step, what do you think is going to happen

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:18

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

anthonypants posted:

hey speaking of excel check this out:
open excel
make a new tab
enter some data
undo a change
delete a tab

if you performed a redo operation at this step, what do you think is going to happen

guessing:

it changes the contents of the cell you altered in the now-deleted tab on the current tab

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:29

Partycat: Oct 25, 2004

anthonypants posted:

hey speaking of excel check this out:
open excel
make a new tab
enter some data
undo a change
delete a tab

if you performed a redo operation at this step, what do you think is going to happen

I hope the tab comes back from the land of wind and ghosts , but I know in my heart it will give you an error.

knowing how excel works in xml it may put the data back where you don�t see it , until you save and re open and it says your workbook is broken

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:30

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; Can't post for 11 hours!

anthonypants posted:

hey speaking of excel check this out:
open excel
make a new tab
enter some data
undo a change
delete a tab

if you performed a redo operation at this step, what do you think is going to happen

Kills your family? Upgrades to Windows 10?

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:31

orange sky: May 7, 2007

Partycat posted:

I hope the tab comes back from the land of wind and ghosts , but I know in my heart it will give you an error.

knowing how excel works in xml it may put the data back where you don’t see it , until you save and re open and it says your workbook is broken

I'm betting this as well

Does it overflow and crash Excel right on click though

That would be fun

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:31

James Baud: May 24, 2015; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

My Excel (2016) appears to flush both the undo/redo lists when you delete a tab, I'm somewhat underwhelmed.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:34

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

anthonypants posted:

hey speaking of excel check this out:
open excel
make a new tab
enter some data
undo a change
delete a tab

if you performed a redo operation at this step, what do you think is going to happen

ahahaha

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:35

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

carry on then posted:

ahahaha

if you start with multiple tabs and only make one change, you can use redo multiple times using this procedure to delete all the tabs

i wonder if this can delete tabs you shouldn't be able to delete

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:39

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

anthonypants posted:

if you start with multiple tabs and only make one change, you can use redo multiple times using this procedure to delete all the tabs

i wonder if this can delete tabs you shouldn't be able to delete

when i tried it it told me there must be one visible sheet, so probably not

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:41

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; Can't post for 11 hours!

anthonypants posted:

if you start with multiple tabs and only make one change, you can use redo multiple times using this procedure to delete all the tabs

i wonder if this can delete tabs you shouldn't be able to delete

Was this poo poo even given cursory testing

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:41

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

carry on then posted:

when i tried it it told me there must be one visible sheet, so probably not

there needs to be at least one worksheet in an excel workbook. that part at least makes sense.

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:45

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

anthonypants posted:

there needs to be at least one worksheet in an excel workbook. that part at least makes sense.

it means the almost certainly check whether the sheet can be deleted in the actual deletion function, not just when deciding whether or not to enable the delete menu item/key command

so no, i'll say, it's not possible to use this technique to delete sheets that wouldn't otherwise be deletable

# ? Apr 18, 2018 23:54

anthonypants: May 6, 2007; by Nyc_Tattoo; Dinosaur Gum

carry on then posted:

it means the almost certainly check whether the sheet can be deleted in the actual deletion function, not just when deciding whether or not to enable the delete menu item/key command

so no, i'll say, it's not possible to use this technique to delete sheets that wouldn't otherwise be deletable

oh, yeah, i meant like locked or hidden

# ? Apr 19, 2018 00:03

El Mero Mero: Oct 13, 2001

# ? Apr 19, 2018 06:53

Fiedler: Jun 29, 2002; I, for one, welcome our new mouse overlords.

I'll bet the Power BI Desktop team has the nicest crash report telemetry dashboards ever.

# ? Apr 19, 2018 07:01

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

send a frown

# ? Apr 19, 2018 07:13

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

While the main Office apps remain traditional desktop Windows applications, Microsoft has been developing a modern version of OneNote using the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) APIs for some years; it's arguably one of the more complex and capable UWP applications available today.

In Office 2019 shipping later this year, that new version of OneNote is moving to the foreground and will become the primary version of OneNote. The existing desktop application, OneNote 2016, will continue to be supported in maintenance mode, receiving bug fixes through October 2020 and security fixes until October 2025. But new features are going to be reserved for UWP version.

Microsoft has already said that Office 2019 will require Windows 10�it's the only version of Windows still in mainstream support�so the switch to using a UWP app should be fairly transparent. Clean installations of Office 2019 won't include OneNote 2016 by default, but if it's already there, it won't be harmed by upgrading.

Right now, there are some features found in the desktop app not present in the UWP; Microsoft is working to fill in the gaps, with features such as tags and Class Notebook support coming later this year. The company is also working on a new sync engine that provides near-instantaneous updates across Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and the Web.

# ? Apr 19, 2018 07:20

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

seeks like a good move

I�m pro sandboxing

# ? Apr 19, 2018 07:24

dont be mean to me: May 2, 2007; I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars

don't know why they hate the idea of users being able to pick more colors on the tablet/web versions than they could in mario paint though

# ? Apr 19, 2018 11:42

Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

cinci zoo sniper posted:

While the main Office apps remain traditional desktop Windows applications, Microsoft has been developing a modern version of OneNote using the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) APIs for some reason

# ? Apr 19, 2018 12:11

Fame Douglas: Nov 20, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

The fact MS can't even get their own teams to use the Microsoft Store is very lolworthy.

# ? Apr 19, 2018 12:15

SO DEMANDING: Dec 27, 2003

cinci zoo sniper posted:

While the main Office apps remain traditional desktop Windows applications, Microsoft has been developing a modern version of OneNote using the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) APIs for some years; it's arguably one of the more complex and capable UWP applications available today.

In Office 2019 shipping later this year, that new version of OneNote is moving to the foreground and will become the primary version of OneNote. The existing desktop application, OneNote 2016, will continue to be supported in maintenance mode, receiving bug fixes through October 2020 and security fixes until October 2025. But new features are going to be reserved for UWP version.

Microsoft has already said that Office 2019 will require Windows 10�it's the only version of Windows still in mainstream support�so the switch to using a UWP app should be fairly transparent. Clean installations of Office 2019 won't include OneNote 2016 by default, but if it's already there, it won't be harmed by upgrading.

Right now, there are some features found in the desktop app not present in the UWP; Microsoft is working to fill in the gaps, with features such as tags and Class Notebook support coming later this year. The company is also working on a new sync engine that provides near-instantaneous updates across Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and the Web.

guess I should start finding an alternative to onenote :barf:

# ? Apr 19, 2018 13:57

carry on then: Jul 10, 2010; by VideoGames
(and can't post for 10 years!)

cinci zoo sniper posted:

While the main Office apps remain traditional desktop Windows applications, Microsoft has been developing a modern version of OneNote using the Universal Windows Platform (UWP) APIs for some years; it's arguably one of the more complex and capable UWP applications available today.

In Office 2019 shipping later this year, that new version of OneNote is moving to the foreground and will become the primary version of OneNote. The existing desktop application, OneNote 2016, will continue to be supported in maintenance mode, receiving bug fixes through October 2020 and security fixes until October 2025. But new features are going to be reserved for UWP version.

Microsoft has already said that Office 2019 will require Windows 10�it's the only version of Windows still in mainstream support�so the switch to using a UWP app should be fairly transparent. Clean installations of Office 2019 won't include OneNote 2016 by default, but if it's already there, it won't be harmed by upgrading.

Right now, there are some features found in the desktop app not present in the UWP; Microsoft is working to fill in the gaps, with features such as tags and Class Notebook support coming later this year. The company is also working on a new sync engine that provides near-instantaneous updates across Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and the Web.

Isn't this the version that can't save notebooks locally--you must use onedrive?

# ? Apr 19, 2018 14:16

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

carry on then posted:

Isn't this the version that can't save notebooks locally--you must use onedrive?

i think so

# ? Apr 19, 2018 14:17

dont be mean to me: May 2, 2007; I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars

carry on then posted:

Isn't this the version that can't save notebooks locally--you must use onedrive?

yeeeeeeup

# ? Apr 19, 2018 14:17

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# ? Jun 4, 2024 08:49

champagne posting: Apr 5, 2006; YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

welp no more onedrive i guess

# ? Apr 19, 2018 14:24

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