Oxygen Not Included - The result was disgusting

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silentsnack: Mar 19, 2009; Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Slime posted:

How many hatches did you need to feed per person before so we can get a reference for how much it was nerfed?

Previously:

Gadzuko posted:

Ranching is really good. (.....) Hatches pop out an egg every 5 cycles, one egg can be turned into an omelette worth 2800 kcal so 5 hatches can almost feed 3 dupes.

Haven't run the game in a while but if "5:1" is the exact ratio now, it's a -65% nerf.

Also if you want to breed more critters to increase production rate, an incubator takes 200kg refined metal to build and requires 240W to operate and takes 10 days to turn an egg into another critter. Which would require 1.44MJ electricity = 2.4 tons of coal (not counting losses due to batteries and CO2/heat removal). Luckily eggs don't appear rot during blackouts. But once it's done you've got another hatch/slickster/morb/etc to continue crapping out ~0.03333kcal/s until the end of time. (along with coal/slimelung/oil)

Basically the nerf brought it more in line with other food production, (e: which is to say it is a pain in the rear end, but this is a building/management sandbox sim and annoying/tedious nonsense is what the game is all about) except that it requires a lot bigger up-front investment of research/material/infrastructure to get started and keeps a rancher busy continuously. Speaking of which, you can't get eggs without the Rancher job, which requires learning Farmhand. So it'll take a while no matter what. But it's worth it because ranching uses different resources (that are effectively near-infinite) and is a lot less vulnerable to overheating your base, as compared to plant farming. Plants are easier+faster to get started and you're probably going to want both eventually.

One thing though. Don't use Shine Bugs to illuminate a bristle berry farm unless you keep them thoroughly contained because the little shits will eat your crops if they have a chance.

Ranching aside, the geysers can be very good and give iron/gold or 8kg/s (cold) Polluted Water, or they can be garbage like 10g/s Chlorine. Until the map generation algorithm gets improved, if you're playing the Ranching Preview branch you might want to use debug mode to look at the map on day 0 and search/check what geysers spawn and reroll the map until you get at least one or two that don't suck.

silentsnack fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Mar 16, 2018

# ? Mar 16, 2018 19:03

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# ? May 28, 2024 20:06

Slime: Jan 3, 2007

silentsnack posted:

Previously:

Haven't run the game in a while but if "5:1" is the exact ratio now, it's a -65% nerf.

Also if you want to breed more critters to increase production rate, an incubator takes 200kg refined metal to build and requires 240W to operate and takes 10 days to turn an egg into another critter. Which would require 1.44MJ electricity = 2.4 tons of coal (not counting losses due to batteries and CO2/heat removal). Luckily eggs don't appear rot during blackouts. But once it's done you've got another hatch/slickster/morb/etc to continue crapping out ~0.03333kcal/s until the end of time. (along with coal/slimelung/oil)

Basically the nerf brought it more in line with other food production, (e: which is to say it is a pain in the rear end, but this is a building/management sandbox sim and annoying/tedious nonsense is what the game is all about) except that it requires a lot bigger up-front investment of research/material/infrastructure to get started and keeps a rancher busy continuously. Speaking of which, you can't get eggs without the Rancher job, which requires learning Farmhand. So it'll take a while no matter what. But it's worth it because ranching uses different resources (that are effectively near-infinite) and is a lot less vulnerable to overheating your base, as compared to plant farming. Plants are easier+faster to get started and you're probably going to want both eventually.

One thing though. Don't use Shine Bugs to illuminate a bristle berry farm unless you keep them thoroughly contained because the little shits will eat your crops if they have a chance.

Ranching aside, the geysers can be very good and give iron/gold or 8kg/s (cold) Polluted Water, or they can be garbage like 10g/s Chlorine. Until the map generation algorithm gets improved, if you're playing the Ranching Preview branch you might want to use debug mode to look at the map on day 0 and search/check what geysers spawn and reroll the map until you get at least one or two that don't suck.

How much coal does a hatch produce per cycle assuming a constant food supply? Seems like it'd take a long time for hatching one out to be worth the energy investment in terms of coal.

# ? Mar 17, 2018 01:37

silentsnack: Mar 19, 2009; Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Slime posted:

How much coal does a hatch produce per cycle assuming a constant food supply? Seems like it'd take a long time for hatching one out to be worth the energy investment in terms of coal.

Not entirely sure. Last(?) patch changed it so that critters eat/produce less until you tame them, which takes a few(?) days of ranchering but I haven't tried ranching again since my previous save "Disconcerting Meat Vortex" started crashing with annoying frequency.

As for theoretical napkin numbers, the wiki says 1000g/s so if that value is still correct, a fully domesticated Hatch it could produce up to 600kg/cycle of coal. Which is also the fuel usage for a Coal Generator (600W output). So each live hatch can power 1.25 incubators and a new hatch takes 4 cycles to break even on energy/fuel.

Energy investment isn't a huge deal but you need to have a power grid planned/built to supply that constant 480W load. And the spare ~~manpower~~ dupower(?) to keep the fires fed, the batteries juiced and the critters petted.

# ? Mar 17, 2018 02:31

Dr. Garbanzo: Sep 14, 2010

I keep attempting to make things happen but haven�t made it past cycle 60 without the base crashing and burning. I think I get over confident and impatient at cycle 40 before crashing the system massively in the intervening cycles. Worst part was there was natural gas and cool steam not too far away. Maybe I�ll start again on the same seed as this time around

# ? Mar 17, 2018 10:46

Azuth0667: Sep 20, 2011; By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Is heat management any better in the rancher update?

# ? Mar 19, 2018 01:11

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silentsnack posted:

One thing though. Don't use Shine Bugs to illuminate a bristle berry farm unless you keep them thoroughly contained because the little shits will eat your crops if they have a chance.

That explains so much about my last base. I thought I was lucky as gently caress to trap some shine bugs in my farm so I could get some bristle-berry going...and then started running out of food right quick.

# ? Mar 19, 2018 01:19

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Azuth0667 posted:

Is heat management any better in the rancher update?

about the same

# ? Mar 19, 2018 02:07

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

Rancher upgrade 1 is out. Pretty cool.

Does not anyone have a problem with re-enabling the printing pod? I had one that wouldn't turn back on after being disabled.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 14:28

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temple posted:

Rancher upgrade 1 is out. Pretty cool.

Does not anyone have a problem with re-enabling the printing pod? I had one that wouldn't turn back on after being disabled.

My wife was having issues with turning it off in the first place; the solution was to bump up the priority on Toggle actions for a dupe. Maybe experiment with that?

# ? Mar 24, 2018 15:50

socialsecurity: Aug 30, 2003

They keep screwing around with the priority all they need is to steal the number system from rimworld and give us an option to click a dupeand force them to do something like save that dipshit that trapped themselves.

# ? Mar 24, 2018 17:02

Ambaire: Sep 4, 2009; by Shine; Oven Wrangler

socialsecurity posted:

They keep screwing around with the priority all they need is to steal the number system from rimworld and give us an option to click a dupeand force them to do something like save that dipshit that trapped themselves.

Do they have a force do stuff command in rimworld? If so, maybe I need to give it a real try one of these days.

# ? Mar 25, 2018 08:42

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Ambaire posted:

Do they have a force do stuff command in rimworld? If so, maybe I need to give it a real try one of these days.

Yeah. Selecting a pawn and right clicking an object brings up the ways they can interact. Sometimes militarization is required.

# ? Mar 25, 2018 09:19

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
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Is there a "replace" option anywhere? I accidentally used gold amalgam for some wires and I want to swap it out for copper without having to babysit it.

# ? Mar 26, 2018 08:22

Mayveena: Dec 27, 2006; People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Splicer posted:

Is there a "replace" option anywhere? I accidentally used gold amalgam for some wires and I want to swap it out for copper without having to babysit it.

Nope. Also assuming you have any interest in exosuits, you never want to use more copper than you absolutely need to, as atmos suits require copper.

# ? Mar 26, 2018 14:22

Slime: Jan 3, 2007

Basically once you have access to gold and iron, stop using copper entirely when you can help it. Exosuits could probably do with being able to be made with non-copper metals, or maybe a new machine could be introduced that lets you convert one metal to another. Make it a ruins machine maybe.

# ? Mar 26, 2018 14:57

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Slime posted:

Basically once you have access to gold and iron, stop using copper entirely when you can help it. Exosuits could probably do with being able to be made with non-copper metals, or maybe a new machine could be introduced that lets you convert one metal to another. Make it a ruins machine maybe.

Your advice seems sound but your name concerns me.

# ? Mar 30, 2018 20:27

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

So how are the new geysers? The hydrogen geyser in particular interests me.

# ? Apr 12, 2018 01:26

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

What do you want to know about them?

# ? Apr 13, 2018 13:25

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

temple posted:

What do you want to know about them?

How common are they? Do they require special equipment like the oil geysers?

How do the metal geysers work? Do they just spit out metal, or is there some other mechanism?

# ? Apr 13, 2018 14:13

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

only the oil geyser requires a building.
there are more geysers in the world than last patch. but they are spread out better (imo)
they can emit different substances, not just nat gas or water.
there are variants like vents which do a low emission rate and volcanoes that can emit solids (like gold).
the big issue is that all geysers have a dormant period. so you have to plan around that.
a tenured scientist can study geysers to unlock the activity/dormancy duration in real time. so you can track when they will produce or stop.

some are really weak like a cold steam vent. It produces very little water but can be a reserve for long lasting bases.
some are dumb like a sludge or liquid CO₂ (i don't remember). i couldn't find a use for that.
there are regular geysers but you have to think more about conservation between dormant periods. i kinda like that because you can be really efficient with 1 geyser or explore for a 2nd.
the dormancy periods aren't that bad, at the ones I've found are ~40 cycles , so its not forever. but it could've been luck.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 14:44

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

Gotcha, thanks for the info.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 15:37

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temple posted:

only the oil geyser requires a building.
there are more geysers in the world than last patch. but they are spread out better (imo)
they can emit different substances, not just nat gas or water.
there are variants like vents which do a low emission rate and volcanoes that can emit solids (like gold).
the big issue is that all geysers have a dormant period. so you have to plan around that.
a tenured scientist can study geysers to unlock the activity/dormancy duration in real time. so you can track when they will produce or stop.

some are really weak like a cold steam vent. It produces very little water but can be a reserve for long lasting bases.
some are dumb like a sludge or liquid CO₂ (i don't remember). i couldn't find a use for that.
there are regular geysers but you have to think more about conservation between dormant periods. i kinda like that because you can be really efficient with 1 geyser or explore for a 2nd.
the dormancy periods aren't that bad, at the ones I've found are ~40 cycles , so its not forever. but it could've been luck.

Thanks for this, I was a bit confused about the difference between geysers and vents because I've only seen vents since the update. Thanks for clearing it up.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 15:40

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

and sending a scientist to study an active geyser can kill them. it takes about 4-8 cycles to complete research on geysers, depending on their skill. so send a scientist when it is dormant and you can avoid illnesses.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 16:01

insta: Jan 28, 2009

Temple, you can't think of a use for an infinite heatsink that turns into power?

# ? Apr 13, 2018 16:11

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

insta posted:

Temple, you can't think of a use for an infinite heatsink that turns into power?

NO I CAN NOT

# ? Apr 13, 2018 16:12

socialsecurity: Aug 30, 2003

The new Natural Gas geysers are awful though, I have 4 in my current base which is already abnormal and I still have power issues due to them running out it's super annoying. I know they expect you to rely on coal more but it's much more busywork.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 18:56

temple: Jul 29, 2006; I have actual skeletons in my closet

socialsecurity posted:

The new Natural Gas geysers are awful though, I have 4 in my current base which is already abnormal and I still have power issues due to them running out it's super annoying. I know they expect you to rely on coal more but it's much more busywork.

Use fertilizer makers and atmo switches to extend it. Also use smart batteries to turn off the generators when the battery is full to stretch gas. I got a dormant nat geyser to run my base just from spill over gas. The cap on raw power is more troublsome to me.

Automation is my favorite thing currently.

temple fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Apr 13, 2018

# ? Apr 13, 2018 19:25

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

When is the next patch preview?

The current patch was released on 3/22 and they said "one patch every 4 weeks" and previews come out every 2 weeks, so they are almost a week behind schedule.

# ? Apr 13, 2018 23:06

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Check the discord channel, the guys there are good at updating the announcements. I�d look but I�m on stupid vacation.

# ? Apr 14, 2018 02:43

CuddleChunks: Sep 18, 2004

Chlorine can go straight to hell. :mad:

I just started with the Ranching update and it's been a blast so far. I've spawned a ton of bases because I get partway through and find something isn't working well so I start again, hoping for a better seed and building with all my new knowledge. I love the animations and art style for the duplicants and the engineering problems keep my brain buzzing long after I should have gone to sleep.

Work? Who needs that, I have dupes to manage!

# ? Apr 19, 2018 05:16

socialsecurity: Aug 30, 2003

CuddleChunks posted:

Chlorine can go straight to hell.

I just started with the Ranching update and it's been a blast so far. I've spawned a ton of bases because I get partway through and find something isn't working well so I start again, hoping for a better seed and building with all my new knowledge. I love the animations and art style for the duplicants and the engineering problems keep my brain buzzing long after I should have gone to sleep.

Work? Who needs that, I have dupes to manage!

Morbs will eat chlorine and pump out polluted oxygen, typically I will put a bunch of outhouses in a airlocked room and let them fill up without emptying them and morbs will spawn, then after I get a good half a dozen at least I'll start pumping chlorine in there and close the room off to dupes.

# ? Apr 19, 2018 11:03

Mayveena: Dec 27, 2006; People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

CuddleChunks posted:

Chlorine can go straight to hell.

I just started with the Ranching update and it's been a blast so far. I've spawned a ton of bases because I get partway through and find something isn't working well so I start again, hoping for a better seed and building with all my new knowledge. I love the animations and art style for the duplicants and the engineering problems keep my brain buzzing long after I should have gone to sleep.

Work? Who needs that, I have dupes to manage!

The preview for the Ranching update MK II will be streamed on Twitch and Steam today on Kleientertainment's channel. 3:30pm PDT.

# ? Apr 19, 2018 15:26

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Lorini posted:

The preview for the Ranching update MK II will be streamed on Twitch and Steam today on Kleientertainment's channel. 3:30pm PDT.

Pretty good stuff:
Now there is Sandbox mode - so no longer you have to go full debug to paint stuff in.

Lots of new creature variants - hatches eating ore and producing refined metal, pufts for chlorine -> bleach stone and oxygen ->oxylite, slicksters producing petroleum directly from CO2.
Completely new creatures - drecko, eats pepper and grows fiber or plastic scales that can be sheared.
There's fish now too, I guess you're supposed to breed and butcher them for food, but they eat algae so who knows if that's a feasible food source.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 08:59

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Pyromancer posted:

drecko, eats pepper and grows fiber or plastic scales that can be sheared.

This is pretty huge, if you can get them before you've already conquered the petrol biome then you might have a few exo suits before they become superfluous.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 10:16

Mayveena: Dec 27, 2006; People keep vandalizing my ID photo; I've lodged a complaint with HR

Yeah it's what's getting me to consider having a Farmer off the bat to get them to Rancher ASAP.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 14:19

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
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I'd like if having a preference also gave you, like +2 to the relevant skill or something. Makes me sad when I roll an Artist preference with +0 skill. Dude, I'm never going to bother training you up

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:25

Slime: Jan 3, 2007

Splicer posted:

I'd like if having a preference also gave you, like +2 to the relevant skill or something. Makes me sad when I roll an Artist preference with +0 skill. Dude, I'm never going to bother training you up

Unless art got given a bonus based on the skill of the maker recently, it's honestly not all that big a deal if you have low art skill anyway. It only influences painting speed, right? And once you don't need to make paintings all that often.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 17:46

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

Slime posted:

Unless art got given a bonus based on the skill of the maker recently, it's honestly not all that big a deal if you have low art skill anyway. It only influences painting speed, right? And once you don't need to make paintings all that often.

No, it also affects the quality of the works, and the quality affects decor bonus.

Basically, any decor item created by a dupe with less than 5 creativity will turn out to be crap.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 18:04

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

What do people go for when picking their starting dupes? Here's my "pretty close to ideal" setup:

I always try to have a primary researcher, and I make sure he has minimum 3 creativity as well so he can paint masterpieces in his spare time (change jobs into an art student for +2 creativity for a total of 5). Anything else is a bonus.

Next, I try to have a high strength, high athletics dupe with the supply interest, and make him my gofer.

Then, I have someone with the Dig interest and 3 Learning and make them my digger as well as secondary researcher.

Among all these, interest in Farming is a big bonus as well.

Obviously this doesn't cover everything, but tends to be pretty good to start.

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# ? May 28, 2024 20:06

Splicer: Oct 16, 2006; from hell's heart I cast at thee
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Slime posted:

Unless art got given a bonus based on the skill of the maker recently, it's honestly not all that big a deal if you have low art skill anyway. It only influences painting speed, right? And once you don't need to make paintings all that often.

Better artists make better arts. That was just an example though, my real issue is I don't like putting people in jobs they don't have a passion for because I'm a big ol' softie, so dupes with bad passion/skill match-ups get pulped.

But, like, in a soft-hearted way.

# ? Apr 20, 2018 18:09

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