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 Oh look twin Native girls who aren't tiny because we can't have anything fun in this loving thing
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devils advocate: are you sure they aren't just normal size on the poster for marketing purposes
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Honestly I'm just being cynical right now. The actual monster Stuff from the last movie I liked a lot, and normally I'm a proponent of the slower paced Godzilla films that have a lot of human stuff going on to balance out the monster stuff- I liked 2014, I liked Shin, Returns is one of my favorite Godzilla movies of them all It's just every line of dialogue from the loving movie was either nonsense exposition or RAAAAAAAAAAAR I AM ANGRY AND UPSET ANIME REVENGE MAN HOMELAND OR DIE Got a bit tedious. If this movie could tone down the latter and cut out the former, I'd be far more inclined to enjoying it
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Mar 19, 2018 18:59
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I am honestly surprised there's so many people alive. Our "heroic" protagonist was on a fast track to get them all killed.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:26
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I am honestly surprised there's so many people alive. Our "heroic" protagonist was on a fast track to get them all killed. That's why I kept watching. I want Godzilla to wipe out humanity in this anime.
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Mar 19, 2018 19:52
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Burkion posted:Honestly I'm just being cynical right now. The protag really comes off as fascist in a lot of his talk about retaking the earth. To me it just seems like all f his huffing and puffing is to prove a point about how his inability to adapt outside of employing violence will doom all of humanity and its allies. I'm sure In the next part he will learn a lesson on how humans are still alive and go even more off the deep end in his quest to kill Godzilla. That or he dies at the end like some other humans in the Godzilla canon of kaiju films.
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Mar 20, 2018 14:42
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I swear to God if the message of the movies isn't ultimately "We must learn to coexist where we can" I'm going to flip some tables or something nerd ragey. Because yeah, main dude was suuuuuuper fascist in his ideology and rhetoric and that goes so far against the point of Godzilla to be insulting when it's the only viewpoint we have that isn't boring exposition. The ending of that first movie was so satisfying just because gently caress you, you little gently caress off rear end in a top hat, I'm glad you got everyone killed.
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Mar 20, 2018 15:43
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Burkion posted:SHUT UP AND BE A MOVIE I can't agree with this because I actually enjoyed the techobabble, but holy poo poo thank you for making this an entertaining reason why you didn't like it.
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Mar 21, 2018 19:04
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This is pretty well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-q2vZP9fgU
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I should say the film is not bad) I expected it to be worse)
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I've been catching up on a few of the Godzillas I've missed and watched Godzilla vs King Ghidora (the one with the Mecha King Ghidorah), Godzilla vs. Destroyah, and Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster. The Hedorah flick is so flat out bizarre but I love it, there are some genuinely terrifying moments and the creature itself is quite literally a disgusting sounding mess. The music is hit or miss but there are a lot of really nice shots, like the one of the military watching the final fight.
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I just finished rewatching G14 for the first time in quite a while, and although the human parts of the movie are pretty bad, God drat was that a good Godzilla and gently caress everyone who said he wasn't in the movie enough - there was plenty of him in full view, the movie just enjoyed teasing the audience and whetting the appetite first. When I've seen the movie before, I've thought this take on Godzilla took most of his design inspiration from an alligator snapping turtle, but especially in his full-body shots in the final quarter of the movie I'm now thinking there's a lot of bear in this Godzilla's visual DNA. He's got that blunt, square-faced muzzle and very heavy, solid musculature. Gives me the impression that this Godzilla usually moves in land in an almost quadrupedal fashion, head low and level with his body straight back to his tail held level with the rest of him. It's a distinctive look, recognizably Godzilla but much less humanoid than Toho variants.
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Yeah there’s that giant bear from the past that’s an obvious reference to G14. I think I posted here before.Happy Noodle Boy posted:It seems obvious to me they used that huge rear end prehistoric bear as reference for G14 and it was a great choice. Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Yeah there’s that giant bear from the past that’s an obvious reference to G14. I think I posted here before. Hadn't seen that, fair enough. It also amuses me that I think Godzilla in that movie had more personality than Army dude. Godzilla is old and tired, but this is his goddamn world and if you think you can dethrone the King of the Monsters then gently caress you. I loved that shot of the American fleet escorting Godzilla across the ocean, clearly no point in even trying to hurt him so may as well give him an honor guard. And both Muto kills, it's easy to see Godzilla going "Okay, I'm loving done with your bullshit." I'm not as sold on the Mutos on this viewing, though. They look a bit too alien to be completely natural, in my opinion, even if they were animated terrifically and had some personality to go with it. The male especially looks almost biotechnological, and the bridge scene with the Muto's eye. Still, pretty happy with the movie. I'm not a Godzilla coniosseur, but I hope Japan received this Godzilla and the Mutos well.
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Cythereal posted:
That's very much the intent. This version of Godzilla is a natural part of the ecosystem, while the Muto are an invasive parasite species.
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Yeah, I definitely hope they keep that characterization of Godzilla being the tired Old Soldier who you positively don't gently caress with without him handing you your own rear end.
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Apr 19, 2018 05:07
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Cythereal posted:I just finished rewatching G14 for the first time in quite a while, and although the human parts of the movie are pretty bad, God drat was that a good Godzilla and gently caress everyone who said he wasn't in the movie enough - there was plenty of him in full view, the movie just enjoyed teasing the audience and whetting the appetite first. Yeah, the bear inspiration is very obvious when he stands at the end of this clip (at 40 seconds) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OltV9YbN0bw - both in his posture and the way his arms hang.
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Apr 19, 2018 06:10
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Cythereal posted:I just finished rewatching G14 for the first time in quite a while, and although the human parts of the movie are pretty bad, God drat was that a good Godzilla and gently caress everyone who said he wasn't in the movie enough - there was plenty of him in full view, the movie just enjoyed teasing the audience and whetting the appetite first. The movie gives him a respectable amount of screen time, but as you noted the human stuff is so bad that it's kind of hard not to miss him whenever he is not the center of attention. G14 was a weird viewing experience; as a complete movie I hate it, but as a series of isolated vignettes it's like 70% really excellent.
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I rewatched G14 and I stand by Ford being loving boring as hell. Probably boring times a million as an international because holy poo poo watching some nobody heroically but somehow boringly bounce around glorious US military units is trying. Godzilla on the other hand, I don't know how I forgot how great Godzilla and the MUTOs are. Like when he just loving lets that big MUTO have it and lets out his King Monster roar. Good poo poo. I am super keen for King of Monsters and really glad they're bringing back the supporting cast (who I thought were generally pretty good) while sidelining Ford who wouldn't make sense as a player anyway really.
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Apr 19, 2018 08:00
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I asked this in the Criterion collection thread to no avail, but maybe it's more pointed here: is there a reason that the CC editions of Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla and The Terror of Mechagodzilla are dubs? Because Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla, and Godzilla Raids Again are not. This is viewing them through Filmstruck, but I can't find evidence that it is different on the physical discs.
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Apr 19, 2018 09:06
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Probably what's more readily available. A lot of the older movies haven't really been well preserved.
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I remember reading that apparently the original Godzilla had the in-suit actor study animals at the zoo to get an idea of his movements, including bears, so the bear inspiration is not only fitting but has precedent.
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Apr 19, 2018 13:22
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JBP posted:glorious US military units. What was glorious about them besides their utter failures?
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Tezcatlipoca posted:What was glorious about them besides their utter failures? I thought it was subtle but entertaining that the US military throughout the movie keeps trying to attack and kill the Mutos, but Godzilla? They stop shooting at him after a minute or two because they realize it has absolutely no effect, and the only reason they shoot at him in San Francisco is because someone panics. Even without that dumb ending bit, the military at least has clearly decided without ever explicitly telling the viewer that welp, this is Godzilla's planet again, follow the big green bear-dinosaur-snapping turtle.
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Rewatched Godzilla '14 the other night and was pretty surprised to see Sally Hawkins in a somewhat significant role(well, not really but she has some pretty important lines!). I love when an actor/actress has a breakout performance and then you go back and notice that they'd been hanging around for years in smaller roles that you just didn't remember.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:What was glorious about them besides their utter failures? I'm just saying he toured what felt like a structured roster of armed forces aspects and it was funny to watch as someone who isn't American. He might as well have signed off with "here's to the Army and Navy and the battles they have won; here's to America's colors, the colors that never run" as he tearfully watched Godzilla get owned by a building.
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Cythereal posted:Hadn't seen that, fair enough. In most Godzilla films, Big G has more personality than the humans.
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Cythereal posted:I'm not as sold on the Mutos on this viewing, though. They look a bit too alien to be completely natural, in my opinion, even if they were animated terrifically and had some personality to go with it. The male especially looks almost biotechnological, and the bridge scene with the Muto's eye. I agree with this, but I was also I'm assuming if they're going to do more of these they're going to have that just be what humans thought they were, I mean even the name Muto is such a hokey alien from Venus or wherever acronymname. There'll be some line in a later movie like huh this Ghidorah thing's biology is the same as those MUTOs from the 2014 incident they must have been from space too or whatever. I forget do they ever say anything else about the massive massive massive life form within which they find the MUTOs? That was awesome. Godzilla's personality is so good in that movie. I love that he like, doesn't even realize humans exist until him and Aaron Taylor-Johnson make eye contact briefly. And the bridge scene too the way he kind of stops and contemplates it like it's the first time he's noticing that some of this stuff he's traipsing around is artificially constructed and not just there.
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I actually liked the human story in G14 and don't get the complaints.
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I always took it as the MUTOs having hunted and killed one of Godzilla's relatives, which makes the movie kind of like a revenge story. He's been waiting for them to hatch so he can kill them.
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Neo Rasa posted:I agree with this, but I was also I'm assuming if they're going to do more of these they're going to have that just be what humans thought they were, I mean even the name Muto is such a hokey alien from Venus or wherever acronymname. There'll be some line in a later movie like huh this Ghidorah thing's biology is the same as those MUTOs from the 2014 incident they must have been from space too or whatever. They say MUTO is an acronym: Massive Unidentified Terrestrial Organism (and note immediately that the name is inaccurate since the MUTO they were tracking is now airborne. quote:I forget do they ever say anything else about the massive massive massive life form within which they find the MUTOs? That was awesome. They speculate that it's the same species as Godzilla.
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I think one if the scientists asks if "it's him" but Serizawa says the bones are too old or something like that. So it's some other Godzilla the MUTOs killed.
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Vintersorg posted:I actually liked the human story in G14 and don't get the complaints. The truth is that there isn't any exposition: Ford never explains how he feels, and people get confused. (Meanwhile, Cranston's character is really angry! And he's not afraid to tell you how angry he is!! Not only that, but he'll list the specific reasons behind his anger!!! They killed his wife, and that's bad!!!!) The actor's performance is also extremely understated and naturalistic, hence why he's referred to derisively as 'Army Guy': a normal person, not different from any other of the soldiers. People also treat characterization as something that exists in isolation, and overlook how the cinematography and editing generate characterization. Godzilla and the MUTO are intimately tied to Ford's character; these are his gods.
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Vintersorg posted:I actually liked the human story in G14 and don't get the complaints. They kill off the best character in the movie early on and you're stuck with one of the most boring leads ever.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:They kill off the best character in the movie early on and you're stuck with one of the most boring leads ever. I do agree that killing off Cranston was a mistake, even if I'm not one of those people who had a problem with Taylor-Johnson, I thought he was fine. But it works better when he has Cranston's intensity to offset his low-key personality, it was a good mix in those early scenes when they're tracking the MUTO signal.
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I don't see him as boring at all. Sorry he's not Schwarzenegger punching Godzilla in the face? He's a weary dude just back from a tour then has to deal with his crazy dad, has him die right in front of him topped with the reality of a giant lizard and what appear to be aliens terrorizing the world. Taylor-Johnson played it very well.
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Vintersorg posted:I don't see him as boring at all. Sorry he's not Schwarzenegger punching Godzilla in the face? He's a weary dude just back from a tour then has to deal with his crazy dad, has him die right in front of him topped with the reality of a giant lizard and what appear to be aliens terrorizing the world. he is not a good actor I'm sorry
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The REAL Goobusters posted:he is not a good actor I'm sorry He was nominated for some pretty big awards for Nocturnal Animals. I mean, he's no Daniel Day-Lewis but I don't think he's Jai Courtney or Sam Worthington either.
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When you have 3 monsters literally chewing scenery, do you really need your lead actor chewing scenery, too? I thought he did a fine job.
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Peacoffee posted:I asked this in the Criterion collection thread to no avail, but maybe it's more pointed here: is there a reason that the CC editions of Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla and The Terror of Mechagodzilla are dubs? Because Mothra vs. Godzilla, Godzilla, and Godzilla Raids Again are not. This is viewing them through Filmstruck, but I can't find evidence that it is different on the physical discs. I can't speak for GvMG, but Terror is an odd case because there's two different English versions and one is an outright different edit of the movie. It might be that the English edited version is the only one they could find in decent condition. (If Terror makes sense and only has the boob shot missing, then it's definitely the television version and not the edited theatrical version, so I'm as confused as you are in that case.)
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