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This bill owns and it's going to get shut down by the Mantioba PCs https://twitter.com/ndpcaucus/status/986985931457679361
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Now show me the toronto star one quote:Doug Ford's election promises don't add up
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DariusLikewise posted:This bill owns and it's going to get shut down by the Mantioba PCs Holy poo poo. That's some good legislation. EvilJoven posted:Seeing as it's Vancouver, which is already suffering massive affordability issues for working class people thanks to the influx of capital from outside our borders, I just don't see this being anything but providing yet another method of enacting their will to a class of people who have very little vested interest in the success of their community, beyond it being their personal playground and a parking place for their capital. So, is this not an issue once they've gone all the way through the citizenship process? Postess with the Mostest posted:Now show me the toronto star one They weren't dumb enough to have theirs leak.
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I don't feel that the tactics of a Sun publication require much imagination to guess.
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EvilJoven posted:Seeing as it's Vancouver, which is already suffering massive affordability issues for working class people thanks to the influx of capital from outside our borders, I just don't see this being anything but providing yet another method of enacting their will to a class of people who have very little vested interest in the success of their community, beyond it being their personal playground and a parking place for their capital. You don't (or shouldn't) get to disenfranchise an entire class of persons because you disagree with their politics. If the objection is that some of these persons aren't really residents, then craft your voting laws to protect against that, but someone like the aforementioned forty-year resident should not have to sacrifice their say simply because some other resident might prefer policies that favour real estate speculation.
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infernal machines posted:They weren't dumb enough to have theirs leak. Typical big city elites
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I don't feel that the tactics of a Sun publication require much imagination to guess. It's really sad that auto insurance is apparently a big election issue for them. Grow up, Sun.
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The actual quote wasquote:“I have massive support in the black community. I love them, they love me,” Which is probably presumptuous enough to be offensive as is. TBF, I get the feeling the OLP coms people have decided that veracity isn't particularly important and nobody pays attention to fact checks. Which is true for conservatives, but I wouldn't bet on it being true for the Liberals.
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The Vancouver City Council voting thing sounds a lot like people who clamor to take the vote away from prisoners because they are afraid a party will promise everyone pardons that votes for them. It's a just not a realistic fear or scenario.
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I think if anything we need to take away the vote from more people. Just being born here shouldn't give you citizenship. Something given has no basis in value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived.
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Except that prisoners don't have bribe money and rich foreign white collar criminals do...? The city's politicians have been working directly for the rich for a long rear end time already, how is giving a vote to even more rich people who use the city as a place to launder money and take advantage of stupid greedy Canadians going to do anything but make it worse?
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ChairMaster posted:Yea but it's the Liberals who are calling them "the blacks", which is hilarious considering that their whole shtick is supposed to be being the same as the Conservatives but using less awful language. It literally is, but it's clearly meant to attributed to Doug Ford. The OLP's shtick is being marginally less horrendous then the PCPO. ChairMaster posted:Except that prisoners don't have bribe money and rich foreign white collar criminals do...? The city's politicians have been working directly for the rich for a long rear end time already, how is giving a vote to even more rich people who use the city as a place to launder money and take advantage of stupid greedy Canadians going to do anything but make it worse? Because you're also giving the vote to poor people? Like, your problem is with lobbying and campaign contributions, and that's an entirely separate issue.
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ChairMaster posted:Except that prisoners don't have bribe money and rich foreign white collar criminals do...? The city's politicians have been working directly for the rich for a long rear end time already, how is giving a vote to even more rich people who use the city as a place to launder money and take advantage of stupid greedy Canadians going to do anything but make it worse? If they're actual residents the deserve to vote on issues that impact their community. I'm sorry Vancouver is filled with so many garbage people and property owners.
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More great news, a significant increase in hate crimes in Mississauga and Brampton, year over year, possibly attributable to the increased visibility of extremist groups.
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Nocturtle posted:If they're actual residents the deserve to vote on issues that impact their community. Yea I'm sure that's exactly why the city council wants to give them the vote.
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Baronjutter posted:I think if anything we need to take away the vote from more people. Just being born here shouldn't give you citizenship. Something given has no basis in value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. Service guarantees citizenship. Unfortunately for Heinlein, while he's right that the implicit threat of violence undergirds much of our politics, once a critical mass of individuals are stripped of the ability to exercise "legitimate" political force, they will organize to exert violence in an "illegitimate" manner. Thus riots and civil war. I was enthralled by his model as a teenager, but the idea that a society might exist where millionaire capitalists might simply choose not to exert political force and cede it to the veterans and humanitarians seems laughably naive to me now. Not to start a derail or anything...
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Baronjutter posted:I think if anything we need to take away the vote from more people. Just being born here shouldn't give you citizenship. Something given has no basis in value. When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force, my friends, is violence. The supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. Look, all I'm saying is that we should give Bugs a vote seeing as they're here
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Look, all I'm saying is that we should give Bugs a vote seeing as they're here You have an interesting view of immigrants....
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infernal machines posted:More great news, a significant increase in hate crimes in Mississauga and Brampton, year over year, possibly attributable to the increased visibility of extremist groups. loving Alberta
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I predict that barely any non-citizens will vote in Vancouver elections, just like how barely any actual citizens vote in them now.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Now show me the toronto star one One thing that I found surprising with the Toronto Sun leak was that not only they frame an issue in a specific way, but they also explicitly ask their reporters to show one side of the story. For instance, under "Health care" they're asking for quotes from doctor's saying the system doesn't work. But not the opposite. Or how to improve the system vs. each party's plan. Etc.
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In that sense the Toronto Sun should count as Doug Ford electoral expenses
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infernal machines posted:You have an interesting view of immigrants.... Who are the brain bugs in this scenario?
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cougar cub posted:loving Alberta remember when that now international hate group armed themselves to the teeth and proclaimed their intent to defend canada from immigrants while rallying in downtown calgary? good times.
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infernal machines posted:What downsides do you see to allowing permanent resident status residents vote for municipal government? Nobody's violating your human rights by making you sit out your first election cycle. If you're already a permanent resident, the path to Canadian citizenship is straightforward and easy, relative to pretty much any other country on the planet.
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So the argument is "the status quo is fine" then? I'm not really saying it isn't, but "Permanent residents don't need the vote because they can just become citizens" isn't much of an argument either. Is there some reason why they shouldn't be allowed to vote?* *"Because they're not citizens" isn't a helpful answer infernal machines fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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infernal machines posted:*"Because they're not citizens" isn't a helpful answer Yeah, actually, it is, in that citizenship represents loyalty to the country. What's not a helpful answer is "I pay taxes, therefore I should get to vote," especially coming from people who otherwise rightfully decry trading money for influence.
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I'm trying to figure out what exactly "loyalty to the country" means in terms of municipal government. They're residents, I'm not sure how much further you need to go to justify having a say in how their homes and communities are managed. e:Also, citizenship is awarded at birth, I'd say it means precisely sweet gently caress all in terms of loyalty to anything. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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tagesschau posted:Yeah, actually, it is, in that citizenship represents loyalty to the country.
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THC posted:how do you manage to have such consistently bad takes like all the time 
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THC posted:how do you manage to have such consistently bad takes like all the time Your post/avatar combo. 
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Kinder Morgan is going to back out so the Libs are going to build their own pipeline https://twitter.com/pnpcbc/status/987084885721415681?s=21
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tagesschau posted:Yeah, actually, it is, in that citizenship represents loyalty to the country. What's not a helpful answer is "I pay taxes, therefore I should get to vote," especially coming from people who otherwise rightfully decry trading money for influence. this country fuckin sucks
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is there anything more pathetic than people trying to valourize Canadian citizenship who received it at birth
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How much citizenship does one need to reach old stock Canadianship? Asking for a friend
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:How much citizenship does one need to reach old stock Canadianship? You need the “white” kind of citizenship if you know what I mean.
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DariusLikewise posted:You need the “white” kind of citizenship if you know what I mean. When God-Emperor Scheer is running the show and the purges start happening I just want for all my non-white Canadian born citizens to know that we'll meet up in the camps and huddle around the big flaming barrels for warmth during the wintry apocalypse mid-august while I dice up onions for our juicy rat burgers.
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