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Cythereal posted:Spoiling this since there's some new folks to DS9 going through: take the reveal that Bashir was briefly replaced by a changeling. I, for one, felt nothing about the reveal because Bashir's usually such a minor, ancillary character there was nothing to subtly hint that something was awry. The actor wasn’t made aware he’d been swapped out either until the reveal episode, which greatly annoyed him.
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The_Doctor posted:The actor wasn’t made aware he’d been swapped out either until the reveal episode, which greatly annoyed him. judging by his earlier possession acting, I'm not sure I blame them too much
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I maintain that Bashir couldn't have been swapped for more than the space between episodes because a Founder never would have allowed the baby Changeling to die. It would have immediately broken off it's mission to bring it home and save it's life.
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Apr 17, 2018 23:06
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They should have gone totally nuts with it and had the changeling there for obviously a long, long time. Have real Julian have some huge beard and be a whole season of missed time.
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MillennialVulcan posted:I maintain that Bashir couldn't have been swapped for more than the space between episodes because a Founder never would have allowed the baby Changeling to die. It would have immediately broken off it's mission to bring it home and save it's life. Bashir was wearing the old colored-shoulder uniform in the prison camp, so he had been replaced by the changeling for at least four episodes.
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Bashir was wearing an older uniform because it was more comfortable for his vacation trip and because the writers needed a short-hand for "he's been gone for a while", not to indicate any specific period of time he'd been gone.
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Apr 18, 2018 01:21
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I think the obvious time for him to be replaced is after the episode where he cured the plague on that pre-warp planet and started behind to ensure the cure was administered properly.
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Apr 18, 2018 01:28
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By the 2370s wearing outdated Starfleet uniforms to large gatherings was an underground anonymous gay sex advertising thing.
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Apr 18, 2018 01:31
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I'm the person using spoiler text on a 25 year old show.
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Peachfart posted:I'm the person using spoiler text on a 25 year old show. Don't remind me that DS9 is 25, it makes me feel horribly mortal.
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dont even fink about it posted:Don't remind me that DS9 is 25, it makes me feel horribly linear.
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Apr 18, 2018 04:46
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Also by the way, Star Trek: First Contact is 10 years old at most.
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Apr 18, 2018 04:47
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First Contact came out closer to TMP than to the present. And not by a little.
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I think it's aged pretty well.
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Apr 18, 2018 04:55
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DS9 premiered closer to the end of TOS than to the present.
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TheCenturion posted:Where's that picture of the three telepaths who worked with the mute diplomat? The mid-disintegration picture was amazingly detailed and lovingly constructed. Hardcore 
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womb with a view posted:S01E10 Move Along Home I maintain that Move Along Home would have been a most-beloved TOS episode if that had been Kirk, Spock, Mudd, etc. in the exact same story.
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Apr 18, 2018 05:33
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Hey in real life scifi news some guys found 4 billion year old diamonds in a meteorite. They probably come from a planet that no longer exists.
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Hardcore How dare you post this disgusting vore poo poo that HAS NO PLACE IN MY PG STAR TREKS
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MillennialVulcan posted:because the writers needed a short-hand for "he's been gone for a while", not to indicate any specific period of time he'd been gone. If we start reading past what appears on screen rather than construct an air-tight narrative out of it and treating each moment of the show as canon, how will we keep Memory Alpha pure? That way lies madness
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I'm doing a partial rewatch of ds9 (Founder and Prophet eps, all season premieres and finales, plus anything featuring Garak. The soap opera exposition thing is driving me nuts. That's an aspect of 90s television that certainly has not aged well. It was especially bad at the beginning of "Apocalypse Rising" (the s5 premiere). Which is the one I just watched, and wow, I had completely forgetten the twist at the end! (Martok was the Changeling, not Gowron) What a treat!
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I think it's aged pretty well. It was ahead of its time, now it fits right along other great serialized television. It was built for Netflix before they had any idea
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I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to make it work that Bashir wasn't replaced by the Changeling until they "rescued" the real Bashir, which was actually the Changeling.
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Cythereal posted:Spoiling this since there's some new folks to DS9 going through: take the reveal that Bashir was briefly replaced by a changeling. I, for one, felt nothing about the reveal because Bashir's usually such a minor, ancillary character there was nothing to subtly hint that something was awry. The best part of this is the changeling performed brain surgery on Sisko
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FuturePastNow posted:The best part of this is the changeling performed brain surgery on Sisko It's almost like retroactively making Bashir a changeling during this time was really lazy writing
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Apr 18, 2018 20:06
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Seriously between brain surgery and letting the baby changeling die, it's better to just ignore the idea that Bashir was secretly a Founder for several episodes and just pretend there was a long gap of time between For the Uniform and In Purgatory's Shadow. It's just too stupid. Kill that author, kill him dead.
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dont even fink about it posted:It's almost like retroactively making Bashir a changeling during this time was really lazy writing So was making him a space autist. He really slams that whole decision in 50-Year Mission.
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Apr 18, 2018 20:12
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Having him genetically engineered is fine, have that a secret he's been keeping, have that the reason why he's main-character level good at doctor science. But don't retcon in that all his early season awkwardness was entirely an act and he's actually a super serious half-robot man.
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Yeah, there was no reason that super genes and space-dorkiness had to be mutually exclusive.
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Sash! posted:I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to make it work that Bashir wasn't replaced by the Changeling until they "rescued" the real Bashir, which was actually the Changeling.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Yeah, there was no reason that super genes and space-dorkiness had to be mutually exclusive. hell, if anything, space-dorkiness seemed to be a pretty strong side-effect of the treatment based on the modified humans brought in for Bashir to work on
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:hell, if anything, space-dorkiness seemed to be a pretty strong side-effect of the treatment based on the modified humans brought in for Bashir to work on Exactly. How long after the Bashir reveal did the "mutants" come along? It would've worked just fine to make that all that dovetail together.
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END CHEMTRAILS NOW posted:There were actually 10 different Bashirs over the course of the show. All Changelings. Everyone was replaced by Changelings and they kept their cover so well that they accidentally defeated themselves.
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The romulan cloaking officer was a changeling. So was the cloaking device. The warp core was probably a changeling too. We do know they can move at warp, somehow.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Exactly. How long after the Bashir reveal did the "mutants" come along? It would've worked just fine to make that all that dovetail together.
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The Bloop posted:The romulan cloaking officer was a changeling. So was the cloaking device. The warp core was probably a changeling too. We do know they can move at warp, somehow. *The Defiant suddenly turns to beige putty around the crew*
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The Bloop posted:The romulan cloaking officer was a changeling. So was the cloaking device. The warp core was probably a changeling too. We do know they can move at warp, somehow. In the end, the real changelings were the friends we impersonated along the way.
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Watching Where No Man Has Gone Before. A vessel that's been missing for over two centuries? It better not be something they sent to space in the 60s with a frozen modern day human inside
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Leonard Nimoy's face is yellow as gently caress
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