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thefakenews
Oct 20, 2012

Autonomous Monster posted:

There was a time when I desperately, desperately wanted to get into that weirdo Hecatomb game Wizards came out with.

In the end I never saw a single card in the wild.

There was a little scene around where I live. I liked that game quite a bit.

I actually have a couple of pieces of original Ben Templesmith art from the game.

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DigitalRaven
Oct 9, 2012




Vulpes Vulpes posted:

I looked at Mythos too- it looked like a really cool game, but the boxes are going for too much to indulge my curiosity these days.

I look every six months or so, and it's always too much.

slap me and kiss me
Apr 1, 2008

You best protect ya neck
:siren: New blogpost is up for Let Thrones Beware

Today's topic: Appendix N Again - This Time: Roleplaying Games That Made A Mark

This week, we return to our discussion of Let Thrones Beware's Appendix N; a review of some of the inspirations that have helped make Let Thrones Beware the game it is today. This week, we're looking at two roleplaying games that helped to shape development.

Appendix N Again - This Time: Roleplaying Games That Made A Mark

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Drone posted:

I only ever got a few games of the Star Trek CCG in, but I remember it being pretty cool. At least it seemed cool to a 10 year old Trek nerd.

It was interesting-ish, for the time, since one of the ways you could win was by having the right crew with the right skills to send on away team missions at various locations. It was completely unbalanced and the skill list became a mess after the first expansion, and those of us that spent way too much money getting named bridge crew and ships could stomp the poo poo out of anyone who didn't, but, eh, the 90's. I used to have a mostly-complete set of the entire first through I think third expansions. I hardly played it at all after middle school. I donated all but the TNG bridge crew and Enterprise D to Cardhalla at GenCon 2005. One of the pictures on the GenCon Wikipedia page looks like it comes from when I did that, because there's so much goddamn dark blue from the backs of the cards.

I still have my mostly-complete set of the old Dune TCG + first expansion. That game was also kind of neat, but again it had some very 90's loopholes where you could just combine certain cards together and completely stomp the poo poo out of someone who wasn't lucky/rich enough to have a reliable counter.

quote:

Battletech looked cool too, though I never got a chance to try it out.

My LGS never carried this for some reason, so me and my friends used the information from a rulebook in a starter deck someone got from somewhere, and then recreated all the cards in MS Word thanks to an issue of InQuest that condensed all the on-card rules text, printing that poo poo off and trying to play it like that. It was terrible and I don't blame the game.

Jeb Bush 2012
Apr 4, 2007

A mathematician, like a painter or poet, is a maker of patterns. If his patterns are more permanent than theirs, it is because they are made with ideas.

Autonomous Monster posted:

There was a time when I desperately, desperately wanted to get into that weirdo Hecatomb game Wizards came out with.

In the end I never saw a single card in the wild.

I played a game of that once at a convention, I mainly remember thinking that the hexaganol cards gimmick was really dumb

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
Loving the new thread title. It reminds me I have to go through my library and cross out all the fnords.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

dwarf74 posted:

Loving the new thread title. It reminds me I have to go through my library and cross out all the fnords.
Cross out all the what? There seems to be a word missing at the end of your sentence.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

FMguru posted:

Cross out all the what? There seems to be a word missing at the end of your sentence.
This conversation is filling me with an uncomfortable unease.

BetterWeirdthanDead
Mar 7, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It’s the G.I. Joe TCG for me. A FLGS owner even game me a promo standee because I was the only person who bought the cards.

Moriatti
Apr 21, 2014

Autonomous Monster posted:

There was a time when I desperately, desperately wanted to get into that weirdo Hecatomb game Wizards came out with.

In the end I never saw a single card in the wild.

Hecatomb was just watered down magic, my group didn't like it very much.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

Moriatti posted:

Hecatomb was just watered down magic, my group didn't like it very much.

Wasn’t it also designed by the Synnibarr guy?

Moriatti
Apr 21, 2014

hyphz posted:

Wasn’t it also designed by the Synnibarr guy?

Not according to a cursory wiki search.

Synibarr seems to be a cool setting idea with a bad system?
Hecatomb was a cool system idea with a bland as gently caress setting.

Also it didn't have anything beyond it's system idea (fuse monsters) so it kinda died.

Zomborgon
Feb 19, 2014

I don't even want to see what happens if you gain CHIM outside of a pre-coded system.

Moriatti posted:

Not according to a cursory wiki search.

Synibarr seems to be a cool setting idea with a bad system?

By my knowledge, it's more a "vast, overwhelming product of an extended fugue state" than an "idea"

JackMann
Aug 11, 2010

Secure. Contain. Protect.
Fallen Rib

Autonomous Monster posted:

There was a time when I desperately, desperately wanted to get into that weirdo Hecatomb game Wizards came out with.

In the end I never saw a single card in the wild.

They sent out a bunch to us in Afghanistan my first deployment. I don't think anyone ever played, but I had a couple of boxes waiting in my hut when I got there.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Elfgames posted:

did it play like the tcg video game?

Surprisingly, no. iirc it was designed to be played in groups (I can't remember how large though) and there were separate Training and Battling phases where you raised monsters and then fought them in round robin tournaments with the ultimate goal being to win 3 Star Chips. As you can see from a monster card it basically had zero resembalence to the GBC and (the significantly better) PSX game.

Elfgames
Sep 11, 2011

Fun Shoe

Countblanc posted:

Surprisingly, no. iirc it was designed to be played in groups (I can't remember how large though) and there were separate Training and Battling phases where you raised monsters and then fought them in round robin tournaments with the ultimate goal being to win 3 Star Chips. As you can see from a monster card it basically had zero resembalence to the GBC and (the significantly better) PSX game.



oh poo poo that's awful the psx game was rad i am sad now

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009
Yeah, the japanese battle card game, whilst not feeling close to the video games, at least was simple, fun and had a decent mana system. The US cards are all Jabberwoky to me.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Moriatti posted:

Synibarr seems to be a cool setting idea with a bad system?
It's the same premise as Metamorphosis Alpha (the world is a giant spaceship) and it's basically the same juvenile-gonzo-kitchen-sink approach to worldbuilding as Rifts and SenZar.

DigitalRaven posted:

I look every six months or so, and it's always too much.
That's what you get for reading the mythos!

Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Apr 17, 2018

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
Yea, Synnibar starts with a fair premise and then throws in diseases that make you catch fire and bears with laser eyes (who may or may not be quantum)

Moriatti
Apr 21, 2014

Oh shame, because Terraformed Mars but then that stuff is lost and earth may also be lost seems pretty rad.
I guess Trigun still exist though!

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Synnibarr is really high-grade dumb nonsense (I highly recommend the Adventurer's Guide, which is full of bizarre fluff, like the fact that all the weed in the world is grown by a single tribe of cougar-centaurs on an isolated plateau) but it's dumb nonsense all the way down.

Cassa
Jan 29, 2009
Is there an example of a wargame, ala Infinity, that has a narrative element that has ended?
Not like, line cancelled, game shuttered. But the Devs go "this was the story we wanted to tell, no more fluff updates."

I understand that in the case of a still living and hugely popular game that's unlikely. But beyond that.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

Cassa posted:

Is there an example of a wargame, ala Infinity, that has a narrative element that has ended?
Not like, line cancelled, game shuttered. But the Devs go "this was the story we wanted to tell, no more fluff updates."

I understand that in the case of a still living and hugely popular game that's unlikely. But beyond that.

Warhammer Fantasy :v:

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)
Taco Defender

Vulpes Vulpes posted:

Has anyone else developed a fascination with weird artifacts of the 90s CCG boom? I've been buying up On the Edge booster boxes and it has really brought me back to those halcyon days where there were new CCGs coming out based on whatever license was around, and of course they were all featured in InQuest (also I think Over the Edge was a super great RPG). I'd love to grab some Arcadia boxes, but those are pretty dear these days.

Technically it's from the oughts, but related to the 90s CCG era: I once found a bunch of cheap booster boxes for a defunct game called Wars which was an attempt to revise the mechanics from the Star Wars CCG and separate them from their volatile IP. Booster drafted until we ran out of packs--it was pretty fun. The mechanics for both games resulted in a fluid tactile gameplay since life and mana and deck and drawing were all linked in a way that meant you were always moving cards from one pile to another. I remember Star Wars CCG feeling grossly pay to win as a kid, though that may have been because nobody booster drafted Star Wars at my LGS vs Magic which had plenty of means for a young piL to acquire and trade cards.

I used to always be on the lookout for clearance boxes of failed games in bargain bins (CCGs or RPGs) to try and squeeze out a few sessions of love before the gaming group moved to the next pretty thing.

Moriatti
Apr 21, 2014

Yeah, I always had a harder time with RPGs because of the rules and emotional investments, but that sounds like a real good time.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011



lmao

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

This is either the unluckiest dude OR the perfect-est troll. Either way, I'm laughing.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

lmfao

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
I wanted to play a licensed setting, but couldn't decide on which one so I just farted out a setting where you can play in all of them at once.

It's probably crap, but you can give it a look if you're interested.

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Finally the RPO of tabletop rpgs are here.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Plutonis posted:

Finally the RPO of tabletop rpgs are here.

What's RPO?

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Covok posted:

What's RPO?

The book and recent film adaptation "Ready Player One" which is famous for haphazardly including superficial and gratuitous cameos of many different "geek" media.

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



Covok posted:

What's RPO?

Porn for the nerd equivalent of the guy who can't get over his senior year.

(Seriously, how do you have 300 pages of eighties nostalgia and not even loving mention punk rock?)

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Zurui posted:

Porn for the nerd equivalent of the guy who can't get over his senior year.

(Seriously, how do you have 300 pages of eighties nostalgia and not even loving mention punk rock?)

the guy who wrote Ready Player One never hosed

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Zurui posted:

Porn for the nerd equivalent of the guy who can't get over his senior year.

(Seriously, how do you have 300 pages of eighties nostalgia and not even loving mention punk rock?)

The charitable reading: the gaps in RPO's nostalgia represent the gaps in the interests of the dead billionaire nerd dude who started the contest that drives the plot
The uncharitable reading: Ernest Cline can't possibly conceive of anyone caring about media that he didn't

Anyway, the setting idea mostly makes me think of freeform roleplaying in the 2000's-Livejournal mode, where making original characters was discouraged and basically every game setting was "a bunch of canon characters are trapped in a city/house/summer camp/desert island/spooky Tang jar for ~reasons~, dumb make-outs and fights ensue." This isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you actually want to play that kind of cheerful megacrossover dumbness.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Bongo Bill posted:

The book and recent film adaptation "Ready Player One" which is famous for haphazardly including superficial and gratuitous cameos of many different "geek" media.

Zurui posted:

Porn for the nerd equivalent of the guy who can't get over his senior year.

(Seriously, how do you have 300 pages of eighties nostalgia and not even loving mention punk rock?)

:suicide: I can't believe I made Ready Player One for TTRPG.

Nah, though, I just couldn't decided to do something with Marvel or DC for my next superhero game so I thought "why not both? And do anime too!"

Though, I guess I could just set it on Earth-7642 which is where Marvel and DC set all their crossovers. But, then, no anime. Or could there be?

Guy Goodbody posted:

the guy who wrote Ready Player One never hosed



Bonus that reminded me I should get caught up on SU now that I am no longer chained to a desk doing tax returns:


Antivehicular posted:

The charitable reading: the gaps in RPO's nostalgia represent the gaps in the interests of the dead billionaire nerd dude who started the contest that drives the plot
The uncharitable reading: Ernest Cline can't possibly conceive of anyone caring about media that he didn't

Anyway, the setting idea mostly makes me think of freeform roleplaying in the 2000's-Livejournal mode, where making original characters was discouraged and basically every game setting was "a bunch of canon characters are trapped in a city/house/summer camp/desert island/spooky Tang jar for ~reasons~, dumb make-outs and fights ensue." This isn't necessarily a bad thing, if you actually want to play that kind of cheerful megacrossover dumbness.

You know, I strangely got flashbacks to Black Hammer when you said that. Black Hammer is this awesome comic by Jeff Lemire where a bunch of pastiches of superheroes find themselves trapped in a midwestern town without the ability to leave and must blend in and the story is an amazing love letter/deconstruction of the history of American comics. Totally unrelated, but it's good and I couldn't put the tradebacks down the day I bought them till I read them all so I highly recommend them.

Anyway, that wasn't the original intention, but that could actually be kind of awesome. And, you can play original characters. There are "billions of self-inserts."

Covok fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Apr 20, 2018

ProfessorCirno
Feb 17, 2011

The strongest! The smartest!
The rightest!
It's also worth mentioning that Ernst Cline - and his books - are racist as gently caress.

Zurui
Apr 20, 2005
Even now...



ProfessorCirno posted:

It's also worth mentioning that Ernst Cline - and his books - are racist as gently caress.

Okay I gotta know more.

ProfessorCirno
Feb 17, 2011

The strongest! The smartest!
The rightest!

Zurui posted:

Okay I gotta know more.

There's not much to tell, his constant masturbatory nerd fantasies just never quite seem to involve people of color or any of the things they make - except for two Japanese people who are samurai and comment on how honorable and distinguished the main character is. It's not just "a nerd who can't get over their nerd vision of the 80's," it's that this vision is literally just white dudes and the things they personally made, and nothing else.

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kingcom
Jun 23, 2012

ProfessorCirno posted:

It's also worth mentioning that Ernst Cline - and his books - are racist as gently caress.

And transphobic and in general loving creepy as hell.

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