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necrobobsledder posted:I guess I’ve been lucky to see mostly downward-trending sprints so far with less than 15% of the points being brought in after sprint start. We also try to leave some slack for other work that comes in (hot fixes after a release, new customer onboarding that’ll add a lot of stress to systems, etc) when we’re suspecting something will come up. On the other hand, I’ve been pulling 100+ hour weeks for months because I get stuck with full workloads in multiple sprint boards so there’s something wrong in the metrics saying I had about enough points for a full 40 hours / week (hint: I wind up in meetings or pull request review 80% of my days leaving no room for actual engineering work at the office, so 80 hours becomes implied). We try to point in the expected hours a meeting would take at least. Are you paid hourly? If so, good job dude
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FormatAmerica posted:Are you paid hourly? If so, good job dude And if not you need to stop propping up that broken system. Let the blame fall to the manager responsible for this.
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necrobobsledder posted:I guess Ive been lucky to see mostly downward-trending sprints so far with less than 15% of the points being brought in after sprint start. We also try to leave some slack for other work that comes in (hot fixes after a release, new customer onboarding thatll add a lot of stress to systems, etc) when were suspecting something will come up. On the other hand, Ive been pulling 100+ hour weeks for months because I get stuck with full workloads in multiple sprint boards so theres something wrong in the metrics saying I had about enough points for a full 40 hours / week (hint: I wind up in meetings or pull request review 80% of my days leaving no room for actual engineering work at the office, so 80 hours becomes implied). We try to point in the expected hours a meeting would take at least. Dude, don't work 100+ hours. You're loving up the system by propping it up to a point where it looks to management like this is normal and sustainable.
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If they are trying to represent every minute of your workday on the storyboard then it's time to add user stories for taking shits.
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necrobobsledder posted:Theyre gray for a reason? Think of them as Chekhov's gun.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Yeah I just laugh because this is the third sprint now where we have more points than we started with halfway through. We're having a recurring QA problem where bugs are slipping through constantly and we had 2-3 hotfix releases a day for a while. It's not minor poo poo like missing a weird corner case, I'm talking not testing the core functionality of a new feature at all; e.g. one story was about fixing image orientation for uploads, and it broke the ability to even upload an image.....so wtf did QA even test (or that dev who said it was ready for testing...)? The above is the reason that makes me think that having a QA person or department is actually detrimental to code quality. Dev: "Here QA, I made this and now you take the bugs out" QA: "How do I run this locally?" Downhill from here. I worked as a dedicated QA person for almost 15 years, I hated it so much that now I develop software that needs no external QA person. It still needs testing, lots of it. Just not by a person who's only job is to ensure no bugs go to prod. That should be a team effort and part of everyone's job.
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speng31b posted:Dude, don't work 100+ hours. You're loving up the system by propping it up to a point where it looks to management like this is normal and sustainable. Im going to ask for a big chunk of equity or go hourly once this roll-out is complete because another huge effort is coming up that Im going to be the only one technically capable of both overseeing and writing. Leaving the company is easy to do but interviewing for non-poo poo tier companies is hard when youre burned out. This is life in devops I guess, which is why Im hoping this is my last job having ops anywhere in the title or responsibilities.
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Keetron posted:The above is the reason that makes me think that having a QA person or department is actually detrimental to code quality. Man... flashbacks. In my old job a FairlyLargeCompany: 1. QA was on a separate department 2. Ops were on a separate department 3. QA refused to test anything other than ready-to-go, prelive environment with real data 4. Only the ops were allowed to deploy to prelive environment 5. Indeed the ops department required a work order to deploy anything into prelive environment 6. If we attempted to post stuff in prelive environment too often (say more than once per sprint) we would get poo poo from ops department for sucking at developing and wasting their time. 7. If there was an error at live, then unless it was egregious, then fixing it would have had to wait until the next scheduled update (say 2 weeks), because it was our fault, and the ops were busy. 8. We devs would need to write error memos and attend meetings on how come there are these persistent bugs at live, and what can we do to avoid writing them in the future. 9. The QA obviously didn't need to attend these meetings or write memos - afterall they weren't the ones who wrote the bugs. Basically these external QA and ops departments contributed nothing to help the developers deliver better quality software, and only generated poo poo. Not saying all ops departments or all QA departments are bad, but I think at least one level of QA needs to work with the developers, and the ops needn't be involved with the environment where QA testing takes place.
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necrobobsledder posted:Im in a small company / start-up and the person assigning this unsustainable workload and very well aware is literally the CTO. The utilization for everyone is calculated out for people carefully - other engineers are joking to management Im actually at 400% utilization. My manager has been pretty pissed off at the CTO for putting just me on the critical path while half the team sits mostly idle when theres plenty of work they could be assigned. Seriously, wtf is the value of git flow if you cant have a long lived feature branch across multiple sprints? So many Red Flags it looks like a May Day parade! Team isn't signing up for the work. Velocity is fixed and unchanging. Stories assigned to individuals and not the team. You should have come work for me when I tried to get you. Our DevOps team is greenfielding testing and deployment for a new project and no one works more than 80 hours unless they're too arsed to drive home. (Though with my other hat I'm griping about why did we go to production on a new project without a solid BVT system and wishes it was done already.)
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Hughlander posted:no one works more than 80 hours unless they're too arsed to drive home. Is 80hrs a week normal for people? I'm pulling around 65 this week and am taking Monday off as time in lieu as a result. Edit: or you're talking about 80hrs in a 2 week sprint and I'm just realising this now. Cirofren fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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I work 35-40 hours a week, 50 if I feel like stretching on something interesting where I'm learning new stuff or having fun. I am full-time salaried. If anyone tries to overload a sprint the team tells them to get hosed or we drop something else from the sprint if everyone agrees they can live with the change in priorities and still deliver.
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pigdog posted:Basically these external QA and ops departments contributed nothing to help the developers deliver better quality software, and only generated poo poo. Now there is some good in creating a pluggable architecture, but I ain't talking about that. They will look at you like you are speaking in moon runes if you talk about inversion in design. They only know how to do it in the org chart.
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necrobobsledder posted:I’m in a small company / start-up and the person assigning this unsustainable workload and very well aware is literally the CTO. The utilization for everyone is calculated out for people carefully - other engineers are joking to management I’m actually at 400% utilization. My manager has been pretty pissed off at the CTO for putting just me on the critical path while half the team sits mostly idle when there’s plenty of work they could be assigned. Seriously, wtf is the value of git flow if you can’t have a long lived feature branch across multiple sprints? They are abusing you and you're letting them. Don't ask for hourly or equity "when the rollout is complete", do it right now and stop working until you get it. By your own admission you're a critical person without whom nothing will get done. But really, you should quit and go work somewhere that gives a poo poo about their team.
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FormatAmerica posted:I work 35-40 hours a week, 50 if I feel like stretching on something interesting where I'm learning new stuff or having fun. I am full-time salaried. Echoing this sentiment. I've got better things to do with my life than give up all of my time and sanity to an overbearing CTO or whatever. There is no software that is so important to humanity that it needs someone working over 40 hours a week.
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BaronVonVaderham posted:My team is the absolute best at sprint planning.   
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Portland Sucks posted:Echoing this sentiment. I've got better things to do with my life than give up all of my time and sanity to an overbearing CTO or whatever. There is no software that is so important to humanity that it needs someone working over 40 hours a week. This. Not to mention the fact that it's been repeatedly proven that regularly working extra hours actually decreases productivity, so everyone loses. If you're pulling overtime for more than a week before a launch or some similar situation, something is being done wrong and needs to change immediately. Or you need to quit.
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40 hours a week is already pushing it, IMO.
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Update for mine....it jumped up another 12 points yesterday I did fix everything that broke on our staging server, though, so theoretically the 25 or so points worth of poo poo stranded in there should be completed today.
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necrobobsledder posted:I’m in a small company / start-up and the person assigning this unsustainable workload and very well aware is literally the CTO. The utilization for everyone is calculated out for people carefully - other engineers are joking to management I’m actually at 400% utilization. My manager has been pretty pissed off at the CTO for putting just me on the critical path while half the team sits mostly idle when there’s plenty of work they could be assigned. Seriously, wtf is the value of git flow if you can’t have a long lived feature branch across multiple sprints? "I'm working as long as 3 people and doing the work of at least 4, either pay me 4 salaries or I'm going to 40 hours a week, period." Quit on the spot if this guy balks at changing anything or promises that he'll "review" things later since he's clearly jerking your chain. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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FormatAmerica posted:Are you paid hourly? If so, good job dude The only reason I willingly put in more than 40 hours a week is that I'm hourly and will get time and a half. That's only to support deployments and that process is mostly voluntary. But as soon as I'm salaried, gently caress off with that.
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FormatAmerica posted:I work 35-40 hours a week, 50 if I feel like stretching on something interesting where I'm learning new stuff or having fun. I am full-time salaried. Double echoed. I used to work tons more, but most of it was slacking off interleaved with panicked coding sessions. I had a light bulb moment when I realized I could leave at 5 every day, even coming in at 10am and taking lunch, if I spent all my time at work working.
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Hughlander posted:So many Red Flags it looks like a May Day parade! Team isn't signing up for the work. Velocity is fixed and unchanging. Stories assigned to individuals and not the team. Before this BS I worked maybe 40 hours / week and Im going to chill out for a few weeks approving pull requests and sitting in meetings. And working on interviewing for FANGS, of course.
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I'm so proud of my last sprint  We did undersize the hell out of it but a falling line is a falling line.
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Blinkz0rz posted:I'm so proud of my last sprint Also, you are still adding points all over the place and someone has been working on Sunday. Finally, there is no pride in a report. Only in the product. Value one of the Agile Manifesto posted:Individuals and interactions over processes and tools Stupid burndown charts. Now get off my lawn.
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Keetron posted:Also, you are still adding points all over the place and someone has been working on Sunday. k
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Cirofren posted:Is 80hrs a week normal for people? I'm pulling around 65 this week and am taking Monday off as time in lieu as a result. That's what I meant but I was probably half paying attention. I meant 40 hr weeks and a few people who chill on the internet until there's 0 traffic.
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Keetron posted:Stupid burndown charts. Now get off my lawn. Excuse me, the word is over not instead of I can have my individuals and interactions and still obsess over a report, thank you very much 
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ChickenWing posted:Excuse me, the word is over not instead of poo poo, you are right. I hate it when that happens.
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Cirofren posted:Is 80hrs a week normal for people? I do about 45-50 hours a week. Sometimes people do more when there are... problems afoot. Sometimes people leave early if they're ahead of the curve. Get your work done, and nobody cares where you are.
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Keetron posted:Finally, there is no pride in a report. Only in the product. Must be nice to have a product you can take pride in.
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Being a programmer is turning me into an anarchist. I always seem to want to eliminate state.
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So I let one domain expire (I had bought two similar ones and decided I didn't need the other) and holy poo poo, I have been bombarded with spam, calls, and scams to "register" my domain, create a website, design a logo, etc etc. I picked up one because I'm interviewing and didn't recognize the number, and no matter how much I said that I'm a developer and make my own websites, the dude would not get off the phone (I'm overly polite). I didn't realize domain expiration/management was such a poo poo show. What happens for that on the professional side?
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We pay for private registration, so we only get spam from Network Solutions. Which for 40-ish domains is still actually quite a bit.
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Bongo Bill posted:Being a programmer is turning me into an anarchist. going to shamelessly steal this for code review commentary
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Bongo Bill posted:Being a programmer is turning me into an anarchist. Being a programmer is turning me into a communist. I always seem to want to send business people to the firing squad.
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My manager just floated including a touch typing/ speed test as part of the next employee review, as it's such an obvious productivity enhancer. He's very enamoured with things that have numbers he can use to rank people. Also, seemingly in all seriousness, that led to him suggesting that the aim would be keyboards with blank keys as some kind of visual proof of touch typing mastery.
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RobertKerans posted:My manager just floated including a touch typing/ speed test as part of the next employee review, as it's such an obvious productivity enhancer. He's very enamoured with things that have numbers he can use to rank people. Also, seemingly in all seriousness, that led to him suggesting that the aim would be keyboards with blank keys as some kind of visual proof of touch typing mastery. Lmao what a loving idiot.
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RobertKerans posted:My manager just floated including a touch typing/ speed test as part of the next employee review, as it's such an obvious productivity enhancer. He's very enamoured with things that have numbers he can use to rank people. Also, seemingly in all seriousness, that led to him suggesting that the aim would be keyboards with blank keys as some kind of visual proof of touch typing mastery. Sounds like an easy raise.  https://store.steampowered.com/app/246580/The_Typing_of_The_Dead_Overkill/
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