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orcane posted:The encoder is not done/optimized and there's no hardware support for it - yet. I think they were still expecting a 5x slowdown compared to VP9 which is already a pretty slow codec, so I wouldn't expect AV1 to be on the same speed level as x265 even after optimization.
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When you guys re-encode your video files into X265 or whatnot, what are you watching them on then? If the player you have isn't compatible with the newest codec, do you pass it through Plex and a badass encoding box or are you just limiting yourself to certain devices? I haven't switched from Placibo X264 Ripbot settings as I have way too many older devices that I stream to, even using Plex, that want to reencode either the Audio or Video. Right now a little Gigabyte Brix 4570R handles the Plex Server stuff, but even it can't seem to keep up when I throw it anything oddball. Audio streams seem to piss off Plex the most which moved me to doing both XCopy and 5.1 AC3.
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ufarn posted:DF are implying that there's no reason the PS4 couldn't get VRR. Any idea why only Xbox has it then? how many vrr TVs are there on the market now? PS4 is selling better enough that it doesn’t have to justify itself with features like the Xbox does. Just business reality
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Generic Monk posted:av1 is slightly better quality for the same bitrate, in exchange for the encode taking literally thousands of times as long last I checked. it literally only exists so google don't have to pay royalties to MPEG and save a few $ on bandwidth costs It may only exist so Google doesn't have to pay royalties to MPEG, but that's a pretty hefty lineup of companies in the AOMedia group. https://www.engadget.com/2018/03/28/google-apple-intel-av1-netflix-amazon/ Generic Monk posted:how many vrr TVs are there on the market now? PS4 is selling better enough that it doesn’t have to justify itself with features like the Xbox does. Just business reality Entirely joking and rhetorical with no ill will, but man, if there was only some way for Sony to do something about making VRR TVs. Like, a TV division, or something. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 19, 2018 |
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Generic Monk posted:how many vrr TVs are there on the market now? PS4 is selling better enough that it doesn’t have to justify itself with features like the Xbox does. Just business reality
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I think Sony probably wants to wait for a proper rollout of HDMI 2.1 VRR instead of the half-baked and clumsy implemention that the Xbox has with freesync. It doesn't work properly and it isn't even system-wide, specific titles have to be engineered with it in mind. Sony probably looked at the current state of freesync and didn't feel it was worth rolling out a feature that's patchwork at best. When they come to the VRR table it will be full-throated. They have a major TV division after all, and were one of the multiple founding companies behind the HDMI video output.
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29C6DB0651&cm_re=1080_ti-_-14-487-336-_-Product EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition GAMING, 11G-P4-6393-KR, 11GB GDDR5X, iCX Cooler & LED Currently on NewEgg for $809, same card on Amazon is $1,130. I realize even $800 is high for a card that originally would have MSRP'd around $700, but given the GPU price inflation we're all familiar with I think I'll buy one of these. I've needed a new video card for a while and I've been deal hunting a couple times per week. I don't think I am likely to do better than this in the very near future and I am fortunate that I can afford it. My expectation is that this is one of the best cards on the market (without going into $1,200 Titan territory). I know there's an edition of this card out with more temperature sensors, but I don't think that matters for my purposes. I also am aware that new cards are expected at some point later this year. Let me know if you think this is a bad move even for someone with a 5+ year old card which pretty badly needs an upgrade. Can't play contemporary games at low settings with >30 FPS, and it crashes on loading a 3D application ~10% of the time.
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I play stuff from my NAS to MPC-HC. Me and my 2 room mates share it and all have extra monitors so playing stuff from a PC is easy. No re-encoding or anything special.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:My expectation is that this is one of the best cards on the market (without going into $1,200 Titan territory). I know there's an edition of this card out with more temperature sensors, but I don't think that matters for my purposes. I also am aware that new cards are expected at some point later this year. All the 1080Ti's are basically the same in terms of performance, so you're really just buying a different cooling solution. EVGAs ones are pretty decent--you don't need extra temp sensors for anything. As for the price, it's not bad for things right now. Whether you want to wait is a question of opportunity cost: they'll almost certainly drop a few hundred dollars when the 11-series comes out, which is rumored to maybe be in the June/July time frame, but no one knows for sure. So if it's worth $200 or so to you to be able to game well for the next 4 months or so is a question for you to answer.
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Chimp_On_Stilts posted:https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA29C6DB0651&cm_re=1080_ti-_-14-487-336-_-Product That is about the best performance-to-price you can get right now, that particular EVGA model is good, and EVGA has a 90-day trade in policy (https://www.evga.com/support/stepup/), so if you stay on top of things and follow all their fine print, you could upgrade that to an 1180 in a few months if you're lucky enough to have it come out in that time-frame. If you need to play games now, that's probably your best bet, or find a more reasonable lower priced tier like EVGA 1070, in either case you'd only have to pay them the difference (if any) to trade in to the new generation of cards. Edit: Also, EVGA is the only manufacturer with a trade-in plan like that, and they have the best warranty/support.
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Then you know they don't want to be hanging onto any large turn overs in coin market. So drying out for a few months is something I'm sure they want to ensure happens since you know "free upgrades" is a novel thing when video cards are sold under MSRP, instead of bought in bulk to squeeze out pennies of profit from abusing the electric grid. Nvidia would lose a huge amount of business by pushing a release sooner and screwing them, along with any other retailer that has lax return policies.
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Phuzun posted:Then you know they don't want to be hanging onto any large turn overs in coin market. So drying out for a few months is something I'm sure they want to ensure happens since you know "free upgrades" is a novel thing when video cards are sold under MSRP, instead of bought in bulk to squeeze out pennies of profit from abusing the electric grid. Nvidia would lose a huge amount of business by pushing a release sooner and screwing them, along with any other retailer that has lax return policies. Who are you talking to, me? You're suggesting EVGA is going to suspend or delay their trade-up program right now, to avoid having to honor it if new cards release in June? Even though they never have before, including during previous coin surges?
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i dont think he understands bitcoin mining either. Any of them who bought cards that fall within the trade-up window bought them well after the window of any profitability. They are more likely to just buy the new cards in addition to the current ones they have to try and stem the rising difficulty eating into their daily income. The cards being sold today werent made yesterday. Many of the components were paid for half a year ago or more. If you are going to spread baseless rumors at least try any make it sound realistic Fauxtool fucked around with this message at 03:21 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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My insider super secret uncle at Nintendo did mention he heard that the next gen wasn't actually slated to launch until Next year... I sure hope that's not true, but until we know, we don't know I guess.
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large scale operations arent buying stacks of GPUs anymore, they are scaling back and selling off the less profitable cards on ebay for still above MSRP. The exception would be the ones that generate their own power. The demand for cards from non miners is easily high enough to absorb a lot of returns. This week some were being sold near MSRP but those are selling out immediately while the ones at 20% above MSRP continue to sell well.
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EdEddnEddy posted:My insider super secret uncle at Nintendo did mention he heard that the next gen wasn't actually slated to launch until Next year... Given that GDDR6 is only set to go into full scale production in June, you have to assume it's going to take a few months for them to build up enough of it to start populating PCBs. My earliest guess is limited distribution for Christmas, probably at some early-adopter price premium.
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As far as small form or tiny graphics cards are concerned, is the Gigabyte 1080 mini the best currently out? I want to make a small PC build now because I'm not a fan of lugging heavy towers anymore.
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halokiller posted:As far as small form or tiny graphics cards are concerned, is the Gigabyte 1080 mini the best currently out? I want to make a small PC build now because I'm not a fan of lugging heavy towers anymore. The Zotac 1080ti Mini is smaller than the Gigabite 1080 and obviously more powerful, though it has some serious coil whine on account of the skimpy VRMs. If you game with headphones or have tinnitus it might be the card for you though.
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halokiller posted:As far as small form or tiny graphics cards are concerned, is the Gigabyte 1080 mini the best currently out? I want to make a small PC build now because I'm not a fan of lugging heavy towers anymore. I've scarcely concealed disdain for Zotac based on the fact that they notoriously find more corners to cut in constructing their cards than Gigabyte, but they've managed to make the smallest 1080Ti, if you can find one: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dHcMnQ/zotac-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-11gb-mini-video-card-zt-p10810g-10p They also made a mini-ITX-targeted 1080 as well. Both share the same cooling apparatus, which looks a bit more developed than the Gigabyte's single-fan setup. E:F;B BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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I can probably just swing by with a 1070 minis as well since even the small form cards are still subject to stupid prices.
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Fauxtool posted:large scale operations arent buying stacks of GPUs anymore, they are scaling back and selling off the less profitable cards on ebay for still above MSRP. The exception would be the ones that generate their own power. They better hurry up, because mining is starting to swing back. Though I'll say it again if they couldn't get supply back after two months of unprofitable mining then I wouldn't hope for much until next gen.
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I've been thinking of buying a new GPU now that mining has slowed down a bit, but I know we're only a couple of months away from the next line of Nvidia cards. Is buying a card on release difficult at all? Because if it isn't I'll wait but if it is I'll probably settle for a 1080 or something.
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Yes it is. Might not necessarily be a couple months away.
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You're in a tough spot there. Advice could easily go either way and be just as right as the other choice. I usually lean towards being now and selling later unless a new release is truly imminent.
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If you do buy something now, be sure to get EVGA so you have options if the new cards drop within the next 90 days.
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Last night I took apart my Zotac 1070 to try and fix a broken fan. This is way too much thermal paste, right?  When I reassembled it I used the same amount thermal paste that I put on CPUs. Is that enough for a GPU? I didn't want to push my luck with the fan by stress testing it. I got the fan spinning again, but the plastic center of the fan blade is cracked almost straight across the diameter. It's basically being held together by the Zotac sticker and makes worrying noises at high speeds.
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No, that's the right amount of thermal paste, and if you used the normal amount for a CPU that's too little. A GPU doesn't have a heatspreader and if you don't have full coverage you can damage the chip. There is no downside to an enthusiastic, or even excessive application of paste, and a lot of downside if you don't have enough. Go ahead and dump the whole tube on there if you want. (do not actually do this, but do give it a very liberal amount by CPU standards) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:There is no downside to an enthusiastic, or even excessive application of paste, and a lot of downside if you don't have enough. Go ahead and dump the whole tube on there if you want. (do not actually do this, but do give it a very liberal amount by CPU standards) Read the previous post, went to fetch this video, saw it was already posted. All is right with the world.
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Ok, thanks. Are there any aftermarket GPU coolers that anyone would recommend? I'm having a hard time finding a replacement fan that would fit my existing cooler (ZT-P10700C-10P). E: On the other hand I've got a bunch of old GPUs at home. I'm sure I can rig something up 
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Lucinice posted:I've been thinking of buying a new GPU now that mining has slowed down a bit, but I know we're only a couple of months away from the next line of Nvidia cards. Is buying a card on release difficult at all? Because if it isn't I'll wait but if it is I'll probably settle for a 1080 or something. Historically it's pretty easy to get a card at release AS LONG AS you are willing to spend a couple weeks with nowinstock alerts and being fairly flexible on which exact model/brand you get. If you will only accept a specific EVGA FTW WINNAR version and/or you are not willing/able to wait or react to an email alert it has historically been 6-8 week wait before the market is decently saturated. However, with the pent-up demand and likely some existing mining demand (even if the profitability isn't there) it'll be worse this next generation, but no one knows how much worse. We also have no idea when the next series will launch. Might be June, might be November, might be a year from now. NVidia has a marketplace where they hilariously hold all the cards.
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Hungry Computer posted:Ok, thanks. If you can take the shroud off the heatsink as well as the fans, just zip tie some 120mm fans on to the heatsink. https://youtu.be/-yQHAMz1v5g
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I still think we are gonna see new gaming cards this summer. But I thought we were gonna see new cards in March so.
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Yep, if you've got a heatsink with a good amount of metal and can get the shroud off 120/140mmX25mm CPU fans can do wonders while probably being free if you're been building computers for a while. As long as you're not building in an ITX case or something, but in that case most of the aftermarket solutions turn cards into 3.5 slot heatsinks anyways.
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The Arctic Accelero Twin Turbo II is one of the few that doesn't need like 4 slots.
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Can someone give me a rundown on why an AIMM style solution would not work for modern iGPUs? Just an add in card with GDDR5, DDR3 or DDR4 on it to feed the onboard GPU? Is the latency going to be an issue no matter what and give inferior performance compared to pulling from system RAM, or is the effective cost of making something like that mean margins are nonexistent or even negative? It hasn't been done so there has to be a good reason, what is that reason though?
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Probably signal integrity issues, I'd think. Memory tuning isn't always easy even on a CPU, and a GPU pushes a lot more throughput per chip. edit: oh yeah, you'd also need to specifically match bus width (and of course memory type) so it would be largely specific to a particular card anyway, it just adds a lot of complexity for no particular gain Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:The Arctic Accelero Twin Turbo II is one of the few that doesn't need like 4 slots. I had some fantastic results taking the completely passive Arctic Accelero S3...: https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Accelero-S3-Graphics-Compatible/dp/B00RVAEI1E/ Then popping off the plastic border so it's just the heatsink, and strapping one or two slim 140mm fans to that. The fins are placed really wide apart so fans like the Ultra Sleek Vortex can work great at completely inaudible RPM: https://www.amazon.com/Prolimatech-Ultra-Vortex-Mounting-Pattern/dp/B00B1WQ4VA/
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Complexity is cost. I could easily see something like that being around 200 dollars to double the speed of an iGPU. Or you could spend a bit over 200 on a 6GB 1060 for much better performance. (Or 300 now, but it was never supposed to be that expensive) A "better" solution would be getting like 4266MHz memory. You might not be able to hit its maxed out speeds depending on your memory controller, but it would be cheaper than a dedicated card.
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Zero VGS posted:I had some fantastic results taking the completely passive Arctic Accelero S3...: https://www.amazon.com/ARCTIC-Accelero-S3-Graphics-Compatible/dp/B00RVAEI1E/ I did exactly that with one and a 7850. It coped really well (single fan at 5v).
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Lockback posted:We also have no idea when the next series will launch. Might be June, might be November, might be a year from now. NVidia has a marketplace where they hilariously hold all the cards. Everywhere I looked said Q3 of this year. Is that just a rumour everyone is taking as true because we have nothing else? Enos Cabell posted:If you do buy something now, be sure to get EVGA so you have options if the new cards drop within the next 90 days. Why EVGA? I don't know about what benefit each brand gives.
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