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Ravenfood posted:And since I just unlocked slayer, a good alternate melee weapon besides the dual axes is, what, something good for more crowd control since the axes are armor-piercing can-openers? So either of the hammers, or the two-handed axe? 2h hammer is the natural complement yeah
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I run dual axes and 2h hammer
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Apr 20, 2018 19:03
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dual hammers, baby
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Apr 20, 2018 19:06
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It still amazes me how quickly things can go wrong in this game. We were doing Into the Nest no problem last night, everyone is playing fairly competently. We dropped into the Forge and I run up the side steps, along with the witch hunter, to go for the tome in the mine cart. Within the space of about eight seconds, the following happens. 1. Boss music starts playing, and a rat ogre runs at us from directly ahead. 2. A mini-horde spawns in behind us, which I quickly slash down while the Bounty Hunter starts plinking away at the rat ogre. 3. By the time I turn around from killing the horde wave, I hear the "somebody just got grabbed" sound effect. 4. The elf and the mage, who were lagging behind by maybe.... 20-30 feet, have been gassed into Downed by a globadier and hooked by a packmaster, respectively, just around the corner and down the steps. 5. I run down the steps to try for a rescue and arrive just in time to see both die - turns out they also somehow drew some stormvermin, which made pretty drat quick work of them while they were helpless. 6. As I kill off a couple of the stormvermin - they were on me by that point, it was kill them or turn my back to them - the witch hunter gets downed by the rat ogre. Yeah, I didn't last too long after that. It was just jaw-dropping how quickly that whole situation blew up in our faces; the team was doing absolutely fine, no problems at all, right up until that exact second.
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Apr 20, 2018 19:11
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It was clearly too much to expect good taste from Lardfish.
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Apr 20, 2018 19:34
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Digirat posted:2h hammer is the natural complement yeah I really like the 1H Hammer though with good stamina and nice CC that it seems a better choice than 2H. Isn’t really that a better complement?
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Apr 20, 2018 19:43
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chesnok posted:It was clearly too much to expect good taste from Lardfish. Elf sympathizer spotted.
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Apr 20, 2018 19:52
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It’s not bad but the 2h hammer has better CC, which is the main thing the double axes lack.
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Oh gently caress. I decided to join the rest of the modem world and install Windows 10 and now when I run Ratwave 2 it randomly freezes and locks up my entire computer forcing me to power it off and back on. It does it every time but sometimes it's right away, others it's before a mission starts, other times it's right before the reward screens. What the poo poo. I just wanna stomp micemen and rotmen, FatShark.
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Apr 20, 2018 19:53
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Ravenfood posted:And since I just unlocked slayer, a good alternate melee weapon besides the dual axes is, what, something good for more crowd control since the axes are armor-piercing can-openers? So either of the hammers, or the two-handed axe? triple axe loadout pro loadout not sure how it fares at legend but I've been getting some good work done with 2h axe at champ on both IB and slayer
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Apr 20, 2018 20:04
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my slayer's so strong he hields 4 axes, he has three that he juggles at all times and one that he keeps in his teeth that way he's always chopping something and his feet his feet turn into axes when when he's really angry because he was bitten by a werewolf that was made out of axes and he wears a trenchcoat. his name is grim elder beard knight
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Apr 20, 2018 20:07
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wow the warhammer canon just went up a few grades in reading level
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Apr 20, 2018 20:08
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When is that patch hitting?
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Apr 20, 2018 20:30
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Is there a way to trash deeds? I have a bunch where the reward is a chest who’s max level gear is now like 300 HP under my current stuff
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Apr 20, 2018 20:40
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Is there a way to trash deeds? I have a bunch where the reward is a chest who’s max level gear is now like 300 HP under my current stuff So... Recruit deeds? Because all Vet+ rewards the max HP you're eligible for
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Apr 20, 2018 20:50
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Lunethex posted:my slayer's so strong he hields 4 axes, he has three that he juggles at all times and one that he keeps in his teeth that way he's always chopping something 
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Apr 20, 2018 21:32
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Bloody typical that I end up getting my groove with the 2H hammers back in the same series of really lovely games that ended poorly (1. typical idiot loving elf host in Decay, 2. plain bad Sienna getting herself killed right before Skarrik, 3. Troll, Chaos patrol, and Chaos horde at the same time in first Chaos camp in Nurgle cave map). Also learned that players don't even respawn before Skarrik, which is really bad on top of the no heals and ammo before him. Might've been the idiot loving elf lagging like a motherfucker too, but the 1H mace/hammer felt like they just don't really compare to the 2H hammers because they can't quite kill (and stagger) at the same rate as good 2H hammer play. Maybe it's because the Slayer can just stack so many attack speed bonuses compared to everyone else, though. toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Apr 20, 2018 |
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Apr 20, 2018 22:07
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When's this new patch dropping?
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Oh, so you're in the secret beta with the Chaos Dwarf class.
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Apr 20, 2018 22:42
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For Legend Slayer players, I assume I want to take Boon of Shayalla, much like Zealot, right? And is Resourceful Warrior ever worth taking over just Swift Slaying?
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Apr 20, 2018 22:44
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The deed that replaces roaming enemies with elites is silly. This is on Vet, I'm sure it would have been almost impossible on Champion.
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Apr 20, 2018 22:55
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Xaris posted:For Legend Slayer players, I assume I want to take Boon of Shayalla, much like Zealot, right? And is Resourceful Warrior ever worth taking over just Swift Slaying? I'd use resourceful with actives you wanna be using all the time. Huntsman and Shade come to mind. WHC has some synergy as well, since his active makes him proc resourceful more and get his active back up faster
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well, you get almost 100% uptime on leap during hordes without resourceful warrior, so I don't think you really need it. Swift slaying is probly better. boon of shallaya is needed only if you use Stoutfellow + 20% HP on necklace. I did some testing around and ended up using See it Coming with Healer's Touch. If you take Oblivious to Pain you should be fine without Stoutfellow anyway Digirat posted:It’s not bad but the 2h hammer has better CC, which is the main thing the double axes lack. 2H hammer cant dodge, block or shove good enough though. I find 1h hammer to be better for slayer in every way, since it has all the CC, plus lots of stamina and decent dodge range
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Apr 20, 2018 23:02
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Martout posted:not sure how it fares at legend but I've been getting some good work done with 2h axe at champ on both IB and slayer Tried it very recently on a whim, and it went swimmingly. I actually prefer the heavy cleaves outright killing things to the hammer knocking them down/away in a lot of situations.
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Apr 20, 2018 23:18
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Mr. Pickles posted:well, you get almost 100% uptime on leap during hordes without resourceful warrior, so I don't think you really need it. Swift slaying is probly better. The 1h hammer is not as good at CC as the 2h hammer and the 2h hammer does not need to block or dodge much anyway, and in situations where its weaknesses show you have double axes
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Real Cool Catfish posted:When's this new patch dropping? Soon (TM)
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Mr. Pickles posted:2H hammer cant dodge, block or shove good enough though. I find 1h hammer to be better for slayer in every way, since it has all the CC, plus lots of stamina and decent dodge range
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Slayer secondary chat comes up every few pages and I unironically enjoy it every time. Here's my hot takes. 1h hammer: Not a bad pick! Lots of stamina if you find yourself in a bad place and needing to block/push/revive an ally. Light attacks have a lot of cleave, it's not the most killy weapon you'll find but when rats are always on their rear end it's hard to get hit. Plus, the dodge distance on 1h weapons is pretty good. 1h hammer has a lot of stamina and a fair dodge distance, it's a good pick. Potential downsides, it's only really good for CC. You can charge attack vs armor and shields but you've got dual axes for that? 2h hammer: My personal favorite for a few reasons, especially on Slayer. The light attack will smash shields and armor, and with the Slayer's faster attack speed you can do some serious work. I'm convinced that a Slayer with a 2h hammer is the ultimate anti stormvermin patrol weapon. Plus, the 2h hammer has heft and stagger that the dual axes do not quite have on all enemies. It's been a while since I played Slayer but I still prefer it. Downsides of 2h hammer, your CC method is a charge attack. It's amazing at what it does, and it will wreck crowds once you find the rhythm. But if you get stunned out of your charge, you will take a few hits before you can wind up to re-establish your position. Plus, folks will point out that if you need anti-armor you've already got the dual axes? It's a fair argument but I find myself in spots where the dual axes are the right choice, and spots where 2h hammer is the right choice. I unfortunately don't have enough experience with the new balance 2h axe or the pickaxe to have a hot take for those.
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Digirat posted:The 1h hammer is not as good at CC as the 2h hammer and the 2h hammer does not need to block or dodge much anyway, and in situations where its weaknesses show you have double axes I always get hit when I use 2h hammer on account of it being so slow. Also I can never resurrect allies. Furthermore, in the not so rare occasion when a beefy enemy will blend in with a horde and stop your sweep animation mid-swing, you will get hit 3-4 times and die. e: dscruffy1 posted:But if you get stunned out of your charge, you will take a few hits before you can wind up to re-establish your position. Ravenfood posted:I tried both for a few matches. I think I prefer the 2H hammer even though the 1h hammer feels better/easier. If you just back-dodge and charge up your swings you'll keep a lot more rats on the ground than you would with the 1H hammer, but you need a bit more room. I'm currently using the "dodge further" talent so that might also be the difference. The thing is, the dodge further talent applies to the base dodge range of each weapon, so you need to use weapons with decent dodge for it to shine. I tried it with 2h hammer and the difference was barely noticeable Mr. Pickles fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Apr 21, 2018 |
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Mr. Pickles posted:2H hammer cant dodge, block or shove good enough though. I find 1h hammer to be better for slayer in every way, since it has all the CC, plus lots of stamina and decent dodge range If you try the 25% speed boost on leap, you can dance at the front of a horde no problem with the bigger, shorter dodge weapons.
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Real Cool Catfish posted:If you try the 25% speed boost on leap, you can dance at the front of a horde no problem with the bigger, shorter dodge weapons. with the attack speed bonus you don't need to dodge in front of a horde you swing so fast the horde has to dodge YOU.
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Dr. VooDoo posted:Is there a way to trash deeds? I have a bunch where the reward is a chest who’s max level gear is now like 300 HP under my current stuff best thing to do with these imo is to run them anyway. You'll get two boxes for relatively low effort.
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Arghy posted:The endless hordes are basically horde+ambush then you take too long to kill the horde so the next horde comes. Hordes are on timers they're job is to keep you pushing forward and not sitting behind, they're announced with horns and bells. Ambushes are the AI directors way of checking your progress if they feel you're going too fast, its basically a 360 degree horde so harder to deal with. This explains so much. When I get in groups that methodically goes through the level, getting all the items and checking all the chests, everything seems to go smoothly. When I get in a team that tries to blaze through the map, suddenly we get trashed by ambushes/specials/patrols such that we encounter way more resistance than a group that keeps a slow, steady pace.
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How do I get good with kruber halberd? I am trying to like it but I'm not great with it. I think the problem is I tend to use fast attacking weapons and the halberd isn't doing it for me. I don't have Foot Knight unlocked yet, so maybe this has something to do with it?
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The Slack Lagoon posted:How do I get good with kruber halberd? I am trying to like it but I'm not great with it. I think the problem is I tend to use fast attacking weapons and the halberd isn't doing it for me. The Halberd is a strong weapon, but not in an obvious way. The strength of the halberd lies in how you can use blocks and pushblocks (AKA ripostes) to manipulate its combo chains for maximum potential. There are two basic interactions you should know. The first is fairly simple. The first light swing on the halberd is a sweeping strike that has good armor penetration and cleave. This is the ideal attack for cleaning up hordes, while the two follow-up light attacks are only useful for single targets. As such, the pattern is light swing-block to reset your combo-light swing-block-light swing etc etc until the pack in front of you is dead. This reset is nice because light attack 2 is a poke with zero armor pen and light attack 3 is a chopping overhead that chunks armored foes but is mediocre at horde killing. The second combo is probably the more important of the two. The halberd has a pushblock attack that mirrors the third light attack, which is the chopping overhead. On top of that, doing a light attack follow up to the push attack skips right to your third light attack, which is ALSO an overhead with high armor piercing. In practice, the combo here is light attack-pushblock attack-light attack. This is an armor piercing sweep followed by two overheads. This will rapidly deal with storm vermin and chaos warriors. In short, all this manipulation is designed to skip the 2nd light attack which is a terrible thrust with zero armor penetration. I'd only spam light attacks with abandon if you're funneling the horde or just cleaning up a few spare trash rats.
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leveling the elf first and dealing with Sienna: bit annoying, not too bad. levelling sienna and dealing with the elf: hm not how i'd play it levelling anyone else and dealing with the elf + sienna: i finally understand all the complaining
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Slayer is so goddamn fun once you get the hang of it, hands down my favorite class. I really can't go back to the 2h hammer after the warpick, the pick has way more stagger and with 10% attack speed(charm+weapon) you can just cleave through hordes. The true strength is the hammer has the charge up which can lag resulting in you doing nothing or a light attack where the pick always does the swipe on light attacks and the pick can stagger SV forever. Dual axes are infinitely better against armored targets/bosses because you're doing almost the same damage far faster with push attacks mixed in so you want your secondary weapon to be purely for control. It's also hilarious when you're better on special overwatch than your team because they become aware of the leech at the same time they hear a slayer screaming and flying towards it hahaha. I did an entire game with bond never getting healed once even though i got close to death a few times, once a horde spawned i waded in with dual axes building up my temp health which kept me topped off the entire time. 10% attack speed+slayer passive attack speed+swift slaying is an amazing thing to witness with dual axes.
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Nothing is more satisfying than flying through the air and decapitating a special midair while muttering "an ooold ranger trick"
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Nothing is more satisfying than flying through the air and decapitating a special midair while muttering "an ooold ranger trick" Gone, but not forgotten.
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Battle brew bardin is so good one bomb killed the whole patrol and left their mangled corpses hanging as a warning
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