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Wheat Loaf posted:There was that one French bloke from their last election (one of the losers) who wanted to tax robots, but not pay them, presumably because he was a racist against robots. Wait, like tax companies that use robots or actually personally send a bill to the robo-arm assembling cars?
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galagazombie posted:Luke would be not be given heroic music when he succeeds at something and flattering well lit camera angles, he'd be given sinister music and unfavorable lighting for being the evil captor of Artoo. Luke’s a decent guy. He treats people less fortunate than him with respect and even develops a kind of camaraderie with his droids. Nevertheless, he is part of a widespread social system that treats thinking beings as property. It's a kind of evil that gets pushed to the background while the heroes carry on their own revolutionary struggle; it’s a problem that’s left behind, one which the Rebellion has not yet solved or even begun to seriously consider when it overthrows the Emperor at the end of ROTJ. To me that seems like fertile territory for a series of sequels to explore—a chance for the next generation not to simply restore the old liberal-corporatist status quo but to guarantee real equality for all. Or, you know, we could do rebels vs. empire forever.
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galagazombie posted:We'll it's a good thing they're characters whose express purpose in the story is to be the good guys then. These aren't some real life historical figures of debatable intent and character. The films lay down their rules of morality and the OT heroes (sometimes after a character arc) come down pretty decisively on one side of the universes Black/White morality. Being evil literally makes you get creepy yellow eyes. Your argument is rather confused here. You're saying that the characters are unquestionably heroes in the movie's diegesis, and thus they cannot be slave-owners because heroes aren't slave-owners. The simple truth is that the moral universe of Star Wars is distorted, and that slave-owners can be heroes in it.
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Apr 21, 2018 11:34
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George Washington owned slaves and he was an IRL hero. Lincoln beat up Chinese schoolkids on the regular (look it up) and he also was a hero.
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Yeah, that's what I was going to say. The movie was created by a guy who lives in a country where noted slave rapist Thomas Jefferson is viewed as one of the greatest heroes. That's part of the whole thing. Also, its arguable that Luke really owns his droids between movies as they kind of just start hanging around other people. I mean, they still call him massa, but he doesn't really transfer ownership and they seem to go off and do their own stuff.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:10
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galagazombie posted:I would think a series that has a very explicit "Slavery Bad" message in things like Anakins upbringing wouldn't go on to have protagonist Luke Skywalker be an unrepentant slaver who is never shown to be morally corrupted by it or suffer a comeuppance. Luke's movies come before Anakin's.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:11
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Luke owns slaves. Luke is still a decent person and a worthy protagonist. These ideas are not mutually exclusive, and the mental knot tying happening because you think they are is really a sight to behold.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:20
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Luke pays C-3PO in oil baths, like Amanda Palmer paid her band in hugs and beer. It's all above-board. And he washes R2-D2, which R2 couldn't do by himself, because he has no hands.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:28
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This is the worst thread on the internet.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:47
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Please, the World of Warcraft lore thread is far worse.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:49
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HOW DO YOU DO IT -- SHOOT WOMEN AND CHILDREN? IT'S EASY. YOU JUST DON'T LEAD 'EM AS MUCH https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF6oMAwns38
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kidkissinger posted:This is the worst thread on the internet. It's Tree World, we go hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGqNOWi-wk0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ynmC1-YAEc&t=2081s
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kidkissinger posted:This is the worst thread on the internet.
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kidkissinger posted:This is the worst thread on the internet. 
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He looks strange without the beard. Like the bad guy in an episode of The Equalizer or something.
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Wheat Loaf posted:He looks strange without the beard. i dunno why but it made me think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Arh57i1F7LU
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Apr 21, 2018 17:57
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that tie was created by the sith
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Apr 21, 2018 17:58
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i love when these threads weave their way back into droids rights arguments.
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Apr 21, 2018 17:59
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This isn't right.
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Apr 21, 2018 18:54
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This is like from a butterfly effect reality where Steve Jobs never left Apple or something.
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Apr 21, 2018 19:58
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 It turns out George Lucas was actually Clark Kent all along.
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Apr 21, 2018 21:52
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Clark Kent has a jawline.
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Apr 21, 2018 23:01
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Lucas couldn't shave now even if he wanted to. The beards become so iconic he would get torn apart by an angry mob if he tried.
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Apr 22, 2018 00:07
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He's more chin now than man...
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Apr 22, 2018 00:34
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Mara Jade might be in IX http://thathashtagshow.com/2018/04/exclusive-star-wars-episode-ix-seemingly-casting-a-major-expanded-universe-character/
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Gonz posted:Mara Jade might be in IX Seems weird to add her after Luke's already dead when her main gimmick was being Luke's love interest.
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I would laugh so hard if the Knights of Ren had popular Legends-era names attached to them Kyle Katarn, Kyp Durron, Corran Horn, Tahiri Veila, Tenal Ka, etc
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aBagorn posted:Hillary Clinton owned slaves.
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galagazombie posted:Seems weird to add her after Luke's already dead when her main gimmick was being Luke's love interest. I assume if they're trying to patch over the backlash to TLJ it'll be as part of a flashback to pre-death Luke especially if they're casting a 50-something.
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somehow I think that'd only make things worse
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Vinylshadow posted:I would laugh so hard if the Knights of Ren had popular Legends-era names attached to them Luuke 
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Milky Moor posted:somehow I think that'd only make things worse I'm not saying it's a good idea but y'know, I think any attempt to alter a movie based on "the fans were unhappy" is kind of doomed to failure.
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I mean the parallel here was Washington or Jefferson or whatnot but sure let’s make this about Hillary for some reason
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galagazombie posted:Seems weird to add her after Luke's already dead when her main gimmick was being Luke's love interest. her new gimmick is being Rey's mom
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Pops Mgee posted:Luuke You laugh, but remember, Luke lost a hand at one point...
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all that time alone and celibate on that island, it must have been weird jerking it with a robot hand maybe he yanked it clean off and had to get a robot dick too
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Kevin Palpatine posted:all that time alone and celibate on that island, it must have been weird jerking it with a robot hand What do you think the caretakers were for?
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This comparison is just stupid, and you're stupid for making it. The cultural view on slavery in the 1700's is way different to the one in the 1990's. A more relevant comparison would be to compare her views on LGBT issues, where the Clintons were semi-progressive at the time but outright bigoted by today's standards.
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McCloud posted:This comparison is just stupid, and you're stupid for making it. The cultural view on slavery in the 1700's is way different to the one in the 1990's. A more relevant comparison would be to compare her views on LGBT issues, where the Clintons were semi-progressive at the time but outright bigoted by today's standards. I dunno, a lot of people even today justify prison labor as not slavery with similar arguments to the ones about droid labor in this thread.
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I Before E posted:I dunno, a lot of people even today justify prison labor as not slavery with similar arguments to the ones about droid labor in this thread. prisoners are not custom-built robots jesus christ people stop comparing human beings to robots.
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