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multijoe posted:I get very confused by centrists because they keep saying they hold their positions because they represent the moderate public's popular opinion, but the public were strongly opposed to the treatment of the Windrush generation and the airstrikes in Syria. It's like they're lying about their motivations or something!! but why would a politician ever say one thing and then do an entirely different thing when in power, your theory seems far-fetched
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centrists aren't actually non-ideological in the slightest, they've just internalised crackpot realist ideology to the degree that they can't think of anything in terms other than taking the Hard Decisions and Making The Right Compromises, while whatever goal originated that mindset recedes further and further from view. they're a cargo cult who haven't realised the context has changed and the planes aren't coming back, no matter how big they build the airstrip
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Well also they tend to be rich politicians or media dudes and all go to the same pubs and parties. So to them it does look like their ideas are popular.
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nopantsjack posted:Well also they tend to be rich politicians or media dudes and all go to the same pubs and parties. So to them it does look like their ideas are popular. For "centrism" to work it absolutely needs people to be apathetic about politics and not get involved - it's no coincidence that the Blair years coincided with some of the lowest turnout in British electoral history. This is why neoliberals are always whinging about "populism" - actually appealing to the public at large as opposed to exclusively appealing to an idea of the middle class screws over their whole MO
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TomViolence posted:centrists aren't actually non-ideological in the slightest, they've just internalised crackpot realist ideology to the degree that they can't think of anything in terms other than taking the Hard Decisions and Making The Right Compromises, while whatever goal originated that mindset recedes further and further from view. they're a cargo cult who haven't realised the context has changed and the planes aren't coming back, no matter how big they build the airstrip It's this, having fetishized the idea of compromise to the point where it's become the end in and of itself, rather than a means to achieve an actual goal.
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TomViolence posted:centrists aren't actually non-ideological in the slightest, they've just internalised crackpot realist ideology to the degree that they can't think of anything in terms other than taking the Hard Decisions and Making The Right Compromises, while whatever goal originated that mindset recedes further and further from view. they're a cargo cult who haven't realised the context has changed and the planes aren't coming back, no matter how big they build the airstrip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxvEp_QOUY0&t=1449s
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Owen Jones criticised a lot of UK media people as like a cult who only got their jobs because of who they know so tons of journalists melted down in the responses to him but I particularly liked this exchange https://twitter.com/andyaustin67/status/987423310207242240?s=19
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This depressed me a bit because I couldn't think of any decent real life political comedy programs on TV or radio any more. Regular shows that we do have are The Last Leg which is three wankers doing low grade office banter and The Now show which is usually a bunch of unfunny middle class people commenting that a thing happened and isn't it crazy!?! Seasonal shows are election parodies which are bad and occasional Screenwipes which are just ragefests about how poo poo things are. No one is producing anything which challenges anything or skewers anyone deeper than 'lol they misspoke in an interview or 'huh, imagine if the paperwork they destroyed was the queens speech, wouldn't that cause a funny incident!'
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Frankie Boyle's show for the Beeb has apparently been recommissioned. Though the goodness of Boyle's righteous fury will presumably be once again "balanced" by Sara Pascoe being as milquetoast and liberal as they come.
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forkboy84 posted:Frankie Boyle's show for the Beeb has apparently been recommissioned. Though the goodness of Boyle's righteous fury will presumably be once again "balanced" by Sara Pascoe being as milquetoast and liberal as they come. It will be broadcast in Scotland so don't expect anything good until the Dankula ruling is overturned.
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Jose posted:Owen Jones criticised a lot of UK media people as like a cult who only got their jobs because of who they know so tons of journalists melted down in the responses to him but I particularly liked this exchange i bet he sincerely believes his position is 100% earned though his incredible skill
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's this, having fetishized the idea of compromise to the point where it's become the end in and of itself, rather than a means to achieve an actual goal. even when the compromise makes no sense and is in fact disadvantageous to them morality can be a tricky thing but sometimes it's just straight-up good vs evil hey let's compromise with sauron, maybe only give him half of the world to destroy, i think he'll be satisfied with that
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gently caress off yinlock
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EDIT - ^^^^^^^^ y?Yinlock posted:i bet he sincerely believes his position is 100% earned though his incredible skill A premise any liberal has to believe by virtue of their own ideology, tbf
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Jose posted:gently caress off yinlock this seems unnecessarily harsh did you become pro-centrist when i wasn't looking or is this just a buildup from my many bad posts
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gently caress off yinlock
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Yinlock posted:this seems unnecessarily harsh 
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Barry Foster posted:A premise any liberal has to believe by virtue of their own ideology, tbf true, this is probably the biggest thing that links them and conservatives both think they're naturally better than the peasants, the only difference is how
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Jose posted:gently caress off yinlock no thank you?
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Jose posted:gently caress off yinlock you're being a bit weird, boss
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Apr 21, 2018 13:52
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show yourself coward, i will never log off
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I dont get the yinlock hate he seems like an alright lad Aren't you Canadian though? That's only barely above Australian
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nopantsjack posted:I dont get the yinlock hate he seems like an alright lad he was a liberal hill shill before the election by his own admittance
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Everyone deserves a Come To JC moment
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Clochette posted:he was a liberal hill shill before the election by his own admittance Better than being a racist mind
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Clochette posted:he was a liberal hill shill before the election by his own admittance Bit rich coming from Mrs The Saurus
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Clochette posted:he was a liberal hill shill before the election by his own admittance yes and then the election happened and proved to me that centrism is dumb bullshit for idiots this is the yinlock story, it is well-known and i regularly get poo poo for it that i totally deserve
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can gammons refer to women or is it just for the pasty men?
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Pound_Coin posted:can gammons refer to women or is it just for the pasty men? So long as they're also red faced and racist
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Pound_Coin posted:can gammons refer to women or is it just for the pasty men?  there's your answer
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multijoe posted:
if anyone doesnt know this story: http://metro.co.uk/2018/04/16/victory-pie-couple-morrisons-vows-sell-meat-pies-7am-7471602/ if you're old, white and middle class you can do literally anything
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Gum posted:if anyone doesnt know this story: "if you're old and white enough you can do anything" should be the motto of britain
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Clochette posted:he was a liberal hill shill before the election by his own admittance Hillman is better than a nazi
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:Hillman is better than a nazi but liberals create nazis tho
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Apr 21, 2018 19:23
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Clochette posted:but liberals create nazis tho Please gently caress off
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Clochette posted:but liberals create nazis tho don't hate your parents-in-law
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The only thing as bad as a nazi is another nazi
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Gum posted:The only thing as bad as a nazi is another nazi also ants loving ants, they're such dicks
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Yinlock posted:also ants Alright zarathustra
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Ague Proof posted:don't hate your parents-in-law Do It'd be very appropriate for clochette to be living in a Bernard Manning routine
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