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Apr 22, 2018 19:05
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skeleton warrior posted:I see which choice you made between “reading the article” and “jumping on your high horse to unequivocally declare yourself the moral superior of your hated enemy, white nerds” I read the article, in the Trump area we are deporting people who have DACA protections. Nothing in the article disputes that.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:06
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Prester Jane posted:Except that we are at the point where DACA recipients are deported within 3 hours of being picked up at a restaurant, so I think the blind faith and allegiance to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer wasn't investment that did not pay off. (Which is exactly what all of the minority posters new would be the inevitable and result of this.) According to the date on the article, we were at this point when it happened a year ago, before DACA protections were removed by Trump. So none of this vaunted “resistance” or “brilliant tactics” you insist you are the font of would actually have changed anything for this guy. So congrats on being, like so many in this forum, wrong AND smug about it.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:07
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Mantis42 posted:You're a rube. There's lots of poo poo you can attack the Democratic establishment and Hillary Clinton on, but pointing out the importance of attacking racism and sexism directly in addition to economic justice, is not really one of them.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:08
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PT6A posted:There's lots of poo poo you can attack the Democratic establishment and Hillary Clinton on, but pointing out the importance of attacking racism and sexism directly in addition to economic justice, is not really one of them. Mantis42 posted:To clarify: if you think establishment Dems are reticent to pursue economic justice because they're too busy pursuing social justice, and post this on the same page as we're discussing the Dreamers being abandoned without even a word by Democrats, then you have fallen for an even more obvious con than Trump. And this liberal idea of economic issues as just a white guy issue, just another special interest that has to be balanced against all others, is poisonous.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:09
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Prester Jane posted:I read the article, in the Trump area we are deporting people who have DACA protections. Nothing in the article disputes that. USA Today got their wires crossed. The story is from February 2017 (Vox).
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Apr 22, 2018 19:10
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PT6A posted:There's lots of poo poo you can attack the Democratic establishment and Hillary Clinton on, but pointing out the importance of attacking racism and sexism directly in addition to economic justice, is not really one of them. Clinton hasn't really attacked economic injustice in any meaningful way.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:10
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Stickman posted:That's what Ivana's saying - no one will touch Vanessa because she has five kids and might want more. It's a horrible thing to say. I’m saying if she doesn’t have the opportunity to have more kids, she shouldn’t feels so bad because 5 is already quite an accomplishment. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 22, 2018 19:11
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Prester Jane posted:I read the article, in the Trump area we are deporting people who have DACA protections. Nothing in the article disputes that. You're ether being deceptive or stupid here. The person in that article was deported before Trump ended DACA. If he'd had his DACA identification with him, he would not have been deported. This would still have happened even if a DACA deal had been made this spring, so you can't honestly use it as an example that vindicates your position on that situation. If you can't understand why, you're being stupid.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:11
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I mean just because you declare it doesn't make you right. Also, what in the budget would you have liked the Democrats to have given up?
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Apr 22, 2018 19:12
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Vladimir Putin posted:I’m saying if she doesn’t have the opportunity to have more kids, she shouldn’t feels so bad because 5 is already quite an accomplishment. 
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Apr 22, 2018 19:12
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Well, yes -- the problem is very much that the Democratic party is not following through on the things they are claiming to care about : social justice. The problem certainly isn't that they're paying too much attention to social justice. The solution is to put an even stronger focus on social justice, instead of whining that the establishment isn't focused enough on economic justice.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:12
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:A large part of the thinking for a Dreamer deal getting done was the assumption that Trump and the Republicans were going to operate in some small form of good faith. why would anyone who wasn't in a coma for the last decade expect this?
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Apr 22, 2018 19:13
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Ivana Trump strikes me as being a less cool, but just as mean, Slav version of Patsy from AbFab
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Apr 22, 2018 19:13
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kidkissinger posted:Clinton hasn't really attacked economic injustice in any meaningful way. True, but I think it's more important to first address social justice, in this era of DREAMers being deported and unarmed Black men being shot dead in the street by police officers, instead of attacking anyone who doesn't prioritize economic justice first and foremost.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:14
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PT6A posted:True, but I think it's more important to first address social justice, in this era of DREAMers being deported and unarmed Black men being shot dead in the street by police officers, instead of attacking anyone who doesn't prioritize economic justice first and foremost. Also it's not true that Clinton had an economic equality platform.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:16
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What? I’m sorry what did I say that was so offensive?
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Apr 22, 2018 19:16
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Sucessfully framing economic and social oppression as totally separate if not diametrically opposed was a masterstroke in spite of everything else.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:16
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Kavros posted:
Ok, it's worth recalling here that despite his relative strengths among GOP folks as a not totally crazy person, David frum is a pretty paltry intellectual. He may have said that, but conservatives have already abandoned anything that would have been called conservativism in the past. Remember that when Reagan was elected, he faced pushback because he was divorced. We now have a President and essentially party leader who is 3 times divorced and... Everything else you can say about him and women A draft dodger Extremely cozy with the Russian dictator Doesn't care about debt or deficits Hates free trade and is ambivalent at best towards most allies A former self identifying Democrat who essentially only switched identification so he could get further in the process. ... Let's be honest. Eisenhower would have poo poo down his neck if they ever shared a stage. Trump is an artifact of the fact that the GOP does not know what it wants to be in the wake of George W Bush. And that in turn is a result of the post nixonian power vacuum filled by Reagan and Co.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:18
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I’m pretty sure the lovely part is that the rich handsome man gets to reset to 0 kids and be an eligible bachelor.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:18
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marshmonkey posted:I’m pretty sure the lovely part is that the rich handsome man gets to reset to 0 kids and be an eligible bachelor. Oh yeah I agree with that then
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Apr 22, 2018 19:19
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yronic heroism posted:Ok are we in the white internet posters calling black cops Nazis part of the day? do you know what a kapo was. lol his soon to be ex wife is wayyyy more attractive than he is. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Apr 22, 2018 |
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Apr 22, 2018 19:21
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Groovelord Neato posted:do you know what a kapo was. A week-old rotting whale carcass is way more attractive than any of Donald Trump's sons, both visually speaking and in terms of general pleasantness to be around.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:25
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Maybe they'll make Don Jr's quest for love into a reality show like The Bachelor. Date activities could include killing endangered species and mocking war orphans.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:26
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Thomas Midgley Jr. is a fucker. Something that isn't white noise : Like seriouesly something like banning CFCs will never happen again with regressives being a decent % of the pop.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:27
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PT6A posted:Well, yes -- the problem is very much that the Democratic party is not following through on the things they are claiming to care about : social justice. The problem certainly isn't that they're paying too much attention to social justice. The solution is to put an even stronger focus on social justice, instead of whining that the establishment isn't focused enough on economic justice. There is no difference between social and economic justice and smashing predatory financial institutions is a completely vital step in dismantling systemic racism
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Apr 22, 2018 19:29
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sit on my Facebook posted:There is no difference between social and economic justice and smashing predatory financial institutions is a completely vital step in dismantling systemic racism Wrong first part, right second part
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Apr 22, 2018 19:30
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theflyingorc posted:Wrong first part, right second part I definitely think that at the very least social and economic justice are inextricably linked to a degree that makes them impossible to separate, if not that there's literally no difference
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Apr 22, 2018 19:34
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Discendo Vox posted:Communication science, which formalized and separated out the scientific study of propaganda and rhetorical techniques (and a bunch of non-heinous-sounding areas), was developed in response to WWII fascist propaganda. I think it would probably be more fair to say the scientific study of communication developed out of the duel desire to both counter and create propaganda. It's not a coincidence many of its American founders got their start in the United States Office of War Information, the official war time propaganda office. Persons like Wilbur Schramm were worked on various anti-communist propaganda campaigns, while founding researchers like Elisabeth Noelle-Neumann got their start in NAZI Germany (and was actually offered a job by Goebbels). I don't know for sure but I'd bet a nickel much of the foundational research in the 1950s was funded by the military to assist anti-communist psyops campaigns.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:35
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sit on my Facebook posted:I definitely think that at the very least social and economic justice are inextricably linked to a degree that makes them impossible to separate, if not that there's literally no difference Have you read your history on the New Deal or GI Bill?
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Apr 22, 2018 19:38
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economic programs being enacted unequally doesn't disprove what he said.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:39
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Medullah posted:Which is stupid, because as we all know Mueller isn't a witch - he would be considered a "Warlock" since he's male, except he's truly a Golem summoned by the Dems for a single purpose, after which he will be able to return to his slumber. Witches weren't gendered back in the original witch hunts, in Europe and the US. You could be a man witch.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:42
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Ague Proof posted:Witches weren't gendered back in the original witch hunts, in Europe and the US. You could be a man witch. We are playing by D&D 5th edition rules atm
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Apr 22, 2018 19:43
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Groovelord Neato posted:economic programs being enacted unequally doesn't disprove what he said. They clearly aren't inexorably linked if they are distributed unevenly. $15 minimum wage is great if you are in an in group that has half the poverty. Free college sounds great until you live in a district where your graduation is below 50 percent, and oh that happens to be the black and latino district. There are structural racism problems that will not be solved by economic justice programs.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:43
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Mooseontheloose posted:They clearly aren't inexorably linked if they are distributed unevenly. $15 minimum wage is great if you are in an in group that has half the poverty. Free college sounds great until you live in a district where your graduation is below 50 percent, and oh that happens to be the black and latino district. There are structural racism problems that will not be solved by economic justice programs. Not to mention it makes no goddamn difference how much money you have when you get pulled over for driving while black, or shot for holding an innocuous object in your hand. You can be a millionaire, but if you're Black, you're still at the same level of risk when you "match a description," just like the Seahawks player who was tackled by police in Las Vegas.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:46
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Crow Jane posted:Ivana Trump strikes me as being a less cool, but just as mean, Slav version of Patsy from AbFab 
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Apr 22, 2018 19:47
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Mooseontheloose posted:They clearly aren't inexorably linked if they are distributed unevenly. $15 minimum wage is great if you are in an in group that has half the poverty. Free college sounds great until you live in a district where your graduation is below 50 percent, and oh that happens to be the black and latino district. There are structural racism problems that will not be solved by economic justice programs. Free college isn't economic justice.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:48
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Ague Proof posted:Witches weren't gendered back in the original witch hunts, in Europe and the US. You could be a man witch. Please, the proper term is sloppy joe.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:48
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KKKLIP ART posted:We are playing by D&D 5th edition rules atm What are the 5th edition rules on pee golems?
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Apr 22, 2018 19:49
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Mooseontheloose posted:They clearly aren't inexorably linked if they are distributed unevenly. $15 minimum wage is great if you are in an in group that has half the poverty. Free college sounds great until you live in a district where your graduation is below 50 percent, and oh that happens to be the black and latino district. There are structural racism problems that will not be solved by economic justice programs. if you suddenly made everyone unracist in this country there would still be a vast gulf in wealth between whites and blacks.
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Apr 22, 2018 19:49
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