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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010


i love that it happens so much they had to make a whole page about it in the help documentation :allears:

e: it's a great page too

quote:

"Keeping" a site requires you to spend a lot of time and effort reviewing it. You may decide, depending on the nature of the site, that it is perfectly acceptable to throw it away or rebuild it. Perhaps the needs of the site have shifted and you were planning to rebuild it already. Perhaps it was for an event that has come and gone and you can make a static copy or just delete it all.

have you considered just deleting your drupal website and never looking back? maybe you should! sincerely, drupal

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BurntCornMuffin
Jan 9, 2009


ate all the Oreos posted:

i love that it happens so much they had to make a whole page about it in the help documentation :allears:

e: it's a great page too


have you considered just deleting your drupal website and never looking back? maybe you should! sincerely, drupal

You do research, right? Just let the hackers have their way with your server, and write an academic whitepaper. Its like setting a petri dish out in the open.

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal
what the hell it worked for pasteur didn't it?

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

us redaction has never improved despite all of these examples, it's great

realistically how would you fix the "this text fits" matching tissue in redaction?

fixed width fonts would allow you to more easily match number of characters and adding random spacing or requiring redacted text to occupy its own line would require that you edit the original document to apply redactions which might not be possible.

maybe redact only entire lines or blocks of so many characters?

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

replace all redacted text with REDACTED, reflow the entire document

Deep Dish Fuckfest
Sep 6, 2006

Advanced
Computer Touching


Toilet Rascal

pseudorandom name posted:

replace all redacted text with REDACTED, reflow the entire document

you'll get complaints from people asking you to define exactly what "reflow" means, and you'll get complaints that it doesn't look nearly as cool as a redacted document should, although the latter will be hidden by every imaginable pretext

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

you'll get complaints from people asking you to define exactly what "reflow" means, and you'll get complaints that it doesn't look nearly as cool as a redacted document should, although the latter will be hidden by every imaginable pretext

replace the redacted text with a random selection of different words, then redact that

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

redleader posted:

replace the redacted text with a random selection of different words, then redact that

i'm sure i remember an objection coming up to that on kinda weird legal/philosophical grounds, that by editing the document the document is not, legally, the document that is supposed to be released, which is why this still happens with electronic documents, but i can't remember if that was an official reason or someone just being Smart On The Internet.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

goddamnedtwisto posted:

i'm sure i remember an objection coming up to that on kinda weird legal/philosophical grounds, that by editing the document the document is not, legally, the document that is supposed to be released, which is why this still happens with electronic documents, but i can't remember if that was an official reason or someone just being Smart On The Internet.

yeah idk it seems like the point of FOIA is to get the actual documents, or as close to them as you can, and just snipping out the information and re-typing it seems a bit less, idk, accountable? at the very least it adds another step where things can be intentionally or unintentionally omitted or changed

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

am i to understand that drupals 1-6 did not have a database abstraction API

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




redleader posted:

i hope telegram hops over to azure next

rkn did already block like 130k azure ips on thursday or friday

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

goddamnedtwisto posted:

i'm sure i remember an objection coming up to that on kinda weird legal/philosophical grounds, that by editing the document the document is not, legally, the document that is supposed to be released, which is why this still happens with electronic documents, but i can't remember if that was an official reason or someone just being Smart On The Internet.

it also changes page references and so forth

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:

you'll get complaints from people asking you to define exactly what "reflow" means, and you'll get complaints that it doesn't look nearly as cool as a redacted document should, although the latter will be hidden by every imaginable pretext

gently caress em.

ate all the Oreos posted:

yeah idk it seems like the point of FOIA is to get the actual documents, or as close to them as you can, and just snipping out the information and re-typing it seems a bit less, idk, accountable? at the very least it adds another step where things can be intentionally or unintentionally omitted or changed

You're getting the document for it's textual information, not its layout. You're already changing it by placing black squares in place of words so that readers cannot see what those words are, changing the shape of those black boxes is a totally reasonable additional step. This is a Gold Fringe On The Flag kind of argument. Either you refuse redaction at all, or you accept that the document has changed from the source in at least some minimal way no matter what.

Subjunctive posted:

it also changes page references and so forth

Modern word processors can update all of the page references with the press of a button. If you're comparing redacted to unredacted reports (when? why?) reference the section information and paragraph number.

Volmarias fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Apr 21, 2018

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Volmarias posted:

You're getting the document for it's textual information, not its layout. You're already changing it by placing black squares in place of words so that readers cannot see what those words are, changing the shape of those black boxes is a totally reasonable additional step. This is a Gold Fringe On The Flag kind of argument. Either you refuse redaction at all, or you accept that the document has changed from the source in at least some minimal way no matter what.

Modern word processors can update all of the page references with the press of a button. If you're comparing redacted to unredacted reports (when? why?) reference the section information and paragraph number.

Do you not think it conveys something to know that 10 consecutive pages were completely redacted, vs a paragraph or a sentence?

You're right about word processors, to the extent that those features are used properly in all such documents. I wouldn't bet much on that.

fins
May 31, 2011

Floss Finder
One





Word






Per





Page

neutral milf hotel
Oct 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
anyone consider that the people redacting aren't necessarily the ones who wrote the dang document? doubt they have the original source file to load up in office and start mucking up things just because some nerds on the internet says it's totally fine and legal.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


allowing them to edit the original also increases the likelihood of bad redaction that can be undone via copy/paste or stored but not displayed parts of the file.


anyway this all reminds me of my favorite Onion article: CIA Realizes It's Been Using Black Highlighters All These Years

quote:

CIA Director Porter Goss has ordered further internal investigation.

"Why did it go on for this long, and this far?" said Goss in a press conference called shortly after the report's release. "I'm as frustrated as anyone. You can't read a single thing that's been highlighted. Had I been there to advise [former CIA director] Allen Dulles, I would have suggested the traditional yellow color—or pink."

Goss added: "There was probably some really, really important information in these documents."

When asked by a reporter if the black ink was meant to intentionally obscure, Goss countered, "Good God, why?"

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Volmarias posted:

You're getting the document for it's textual information, not its layout. You're already changing it by placing black squares in place of words so that readers cannot see what those words are, changing the shape of those black boxes is a totally reasonable additional step. This is a Gold Fringe On The Flag kind of argument. Either you refuse redaction at all, or you accept that the document has changed from the source in at least some minimal way no matter what.

you're getting the document to get the document. not just the text, the whole thing, because context and hell even formatting can be very important. redaction needs to be the minimum required to adequately hide whatever needs to be hidden without affecting anything else, not just the text

420 SWAGLORD
Apr 20, 2014

saban bajramovic

ate all the Oreos posted:

you're getting the document to get the document. not just the text, the whole thing, because context and hell even formatting can be very important. redaction needs to be the minimum required to adequately hide whatever needs to be hidden without affecting anything else, not just the text

:yeah:

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
not to put a downer on this erudite discussion about the merits of redaction but...

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/988163330681556992?s=21

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



three periods, but what about an ellipsis??? word has been know to auto insert and that is yet another kerning

edit: woop that was my typography nitpicking kicking in

Agile Vector fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Apr 22, 2018

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

3 spaces, not periods.

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

What if the answer was a black rectangle, would that fit?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i still think that the yes fits that little pixel at the bottom the best

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
welp, it finally happened to me. any point in signing up for whatever IDnotify is?

quote:

Dear UR GETTING FATTER,

SunTrust cares deeply about your privacy and the security of your information. We became aware of potential theft by a former employee of information from some of our client contact lists, as we shared in a news release on Friday, April 20, 2018. We are still investigating in cooperation with law enforcement. We apologize that you are one of our clients who may have been affected, as your continued trust is critical to us.

Given this, we are proactively notifying you that certain information, including your name, address, phone number and certain account balances may have been affected. The contact lists did not include personally identifying information, such as your social security number, account number, PIN, User ID, password, or driver's license number.

Your confidence is at the core of our purpose, and we want you to know that we have heightened our monitoring of your accounts and increased other related security measures. While we have not identified significant fraudulent activity, know that you will not be responsible for any fraud on your SunTrust accounts as a result of this incident.

At no cost to you, we recommend that you enroll in the IDnotify™ service provided by Experian® which includes:
A personalized Experian credit report at signup;
Experian Credit Monitoring for indicators of fraud;
Dark Web monitoring;
Identity Restoration specialists available for immediate help to address credit and non-credit related fraud; and
$1 Million Identity Theft Insurance reimbursement for certain costs associated with a stolen identity event, subject to the terms of the policy.

To enroll in IDnotify:
Log into your Online Banking account at https://www.suntrust.com and follow the instructions; or
If you do not have an Online Banking account, please visit https://www.suntrust.com/identity-protection and follow the instructions.

To best protect your information, we recommend you consider additional steps that can be found here. You also will receive more information from SunTrust in the mail.

Protecting your information is a top priority for SunTrust, and we appreciate the opportunity to serve you.

Mark A. Chancy
Vice Chairman

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

i mentioned this in another thread but i've done work with suntrust in the past and i can't believe it took this long for something like this to happen

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

welp, it finally happened to me. any point in signing up for whatever IDnotify is?

whew, lucky it was only

quote:

name, address, phone number and certain account balances

and not

quote:

personally identifying information

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

oh boy it has ~dark web monitoring~

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
just got my first email about a website not being accessible from russia :kheldragar:

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

welp, it finally happened to me. any point in signing up for whatever IDnotify is?

according to this guy, it's worthless

https://blog.jaraco.com/why-idnotify-identity-theft-monitoring-is-garbage/

just a lovely version of haveibeenpwned

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Truga posted:

just got my first email about a website not being accessible from russia :kheldragar:

Ticket Closed: revolt against your masters :ussr:

Doccykins
Feb 21, 2006
Be Someone Else's Bank Account

https://news.sky.com/story/tsb-data-breach-sees-customer-credited-with-13k-11343578

quote:

TSB has apologised, again, as customers complain of problems with their mobile and online accounts, including claims some had "access" to other people's bank details.

One customer said he could see other people's accounts totalling more than £20,000, while another reportedly discovered he had been wrongly credited with £13,000 after logging back in.

It came several hours after the bank had warned its account holders that some of its services, including online banking, making payments or transferring money, would not be possible over the weekend because of an upgrade to I.T systems once linked to former parent firm, Lloyds.

my money's on some coked up exec trying to fast track this project though before GDPR goes into force without petty things like 'change control' or 'back out plans' in place

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!
https://twitter.com/SeamusHughes/status/988487142363025409
i admire their chutzpah

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


well if the ransomware worked correctly thats the only way to do it

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

How is that a circle? Ransomware'd Company ->IT Firm ->Payment to ransomware ->FBI

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
yeah it would only be a circle if the fbi found the it company had installed the ransomware in the first place

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Bunni-kat posted:

How is that a circle? Ransomware'd Company ->IT Firm ->Payment to ransomware ->FBI

haveblue posted:

yeah it would only be a circle if the fbi found the it company had installed the ransomware in the first place

Maybe you should turn in a circle and walk out of here?

fins
May 31, 2011

Floss Finder
https://osmocom.org/projects/osmo-fl2k/wiki/Osmo-fl2k

Looks like a poop-touchers paradise, for $5-$15

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

Schadenboner posted:

Maybe you should turn in a circle and walk out of here?

I walked in to a wall :(

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anthonypants
May 6, 2007

by Nyc_Tattoo
Dinosaur Gum
this actually rules because the it consultants absolutely charged 10x the price of the ransom, at minimum

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