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The only one that doesn't really feel right to me is Perturabo. He looks like the guy from Gotham.
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Apr 23, 2018 16:07
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Apr 23, 2018 16:17
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Perts got this weird unhinged light in his eyes that fits imo.
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Apr 23, 2018 16:25
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Hello, I have ridiculous amounts of legitimate british resin. Can I get in on this Slack thing? two (dot) beans (dot) 2b (at) gmail (dot) com
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Apr 23, 2018 16:31
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Ferrus Manus is being played by David Boreanaz
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I really like those. Pert especially, since he totally has that unhinged crazy genius look. Like he looks like the kind of dude that doesn't give a gently caress about you and decimates your legion to make an example. I always pictured him as Space Stalin, but this is way better imo.
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i don't do much HH anymore beyond painting some stuff when i get bored, but i really, honestly doubt price cuts would stop people from buying recasts. people pirate 99c songs. like, fw is overpriced by a fairly substantial margin, but acting like there's some kind of faux-morality to buying stolen ip is the dumbest poo poo that pops up in these threads. we're not talking about grocery stores in food deserts jacking up their prices here, we're talking about literal toys being too expensive. sucks about the solar auxilia line getting pruned, needed more quad guns.
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JcDent posted:Considering that you can only take them for Grens and command squads, there's not that much difference... unless yer not taking survivors yet want a non-SH transport. Maybe I can use Sisters of Battle in Rhinos for squads with Advanced Weapons (since they're more-or-less Bolters at that point and they've got 3+ armor) and Taurox/Auroxes for the grenadiers without Advanced Weapons upgrade? I pay 75 points for the Survivors for the entire army and then I have the option to upgrade squads for 20 points on top of that right (at which time they can take a Rhino or an LR Proteus)? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i don't do much HH anymore beyond painting some stuff when i get bored, but i really, honestly doubt price cuts would stop people from buying recasts. people pirate 99c songs. It's more about the margins. Recasters make a lot on recasts due to the inflated cost of the toy. The lower the cost of the toy the less money the recasters make. When plastic MKIII and MKIV marines came out as part of a boxed set, they were priced about the same as a recast of the resin versions (which, if legit, sold for double or triple the price of the plastics.). People preferred the plastics and the box set. The recast market for the resin versions crashed and to this day you don't see many making copies of those. But yeah, you'll never stop piracy. You just might make it less profitable.
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BULBASAUR posted:It's more about the margins. Recasters make a lot on recasts due to the inflated cost of the toy. The lower the cost of the toy the less money the recasters make. Resin piracy is also a lot harder than pirating music. People need to seek out a recaster, often send money over paypal to someone who's communicated with you in semi-broken english, and then wait several weeks (probably without tracking) to get a product that's often a bit worse quality than FW, just at a third to a quarter the price. Music piracy takes about 60 seconds to download a song for free. The recasters also need to have an entire inventory of molds, to do casting, to often have staff, to ship things, etc. If FW was able to either provide a compelling reason to buy their product rather than a recaster or cut the margins down significantly (or both), they probably would be able to put the recasters in a point where it's significantly harder to be profitable. For example, I could get a recast leviathan for $20 plus shipping. It'll come tracked, though chinapost tracking isn't very good until it hits the US, and will take 3 weeks. Or I could buy a FW leviathan for $62 + absurd 15% shipping cost. It'll be at best, marginally higher quality, and the shipping will be untracked and take 2 weeks. If I could pay double and get higher quality and a tracked package I would, but FW have failed at providing any economic sense to purchasing from them. Is it immoral to buy the recasts, yeah, but it's not so immoral that I can overlook everything else. e: to be completely fair, I did just have an order show up today that I ordered the 17th with free shipping. If this were to become the norm I know I'd be more inclined to order direct. Booley fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Apr 23, 2018 |
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dont a lot of the chinese recasts have higher quality than the offical forgeworld poo poo?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:dont a lot of the chinese recasts have higher quality than the offical forgeworld poo poo? I mean, they're casts of the original. At best they can be "as good". Of course, their quality control (not sending out poo poo) can be superior, as can their materials selection?
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It's possible for the quality to be 'better'- some don't use release agent, reinforce thin parts, and clean mold lines before creating new casts. So they increase quality control and save you prep work. You still get some miscasts every now and again, but it's nothing compared to some of the FW/Finecast stuff I've gotten over the years 
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BULBASAUR posted:It's possible for the quality to be 'better'- some don't use release agent, reinforce thin parts, and clean mold lines before creating new casts. So they increase quality control and save you prep work. You still get some miscasts every now and again, but it's nothing compared to some of the FW/Finecast stuff I've gotten over the years Yeah, materials and QA/QC can be better.
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, they're casts of the original. At best they can be "as good". pretty sure higher quality control will directly lead to higher quality, ergo my initial point?
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:pretty sure higher quality control will directly lead to higher quality, ergo my initial point? Yes, I guess I’m making a distinction between the thing-in-itself and the thing-as-product, in itself it’s a copy of a copy but FW is so bad at QA/QC (and priced so far above what recasters will offer the same/better thing-as-product at) that they lose market share. 
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, they're casts of the original. At best they can be "as good". I haven't bought re-casts, but I've been VERY disappointed with the last two FW orders I've received. Bad, bent, bubbly crap, to the point where I'm seriously considering never buying from FW again.
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my biggest complaint with FW has always been the relatively ambiguous directions and the fact a lot of the non-legion units fit together using bizarre joinings that absolutely fail due to the amount of variance in the product you actually get. I have a bag of power axe veletaris that i am 100 percent sure can't be assembled at all because of the weird cables and elbow connections.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:I have a bag of power axe veletaris that i am 100 percent sure can't be assembled at all because of the weird cables and elbow connections. Hot water, my friend. Hot water.
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BULBASAUR posted:I really like those. Pert especially, since he totally has that unhinged crazy genius look. Like he looks like the kind of dude that doesn't give a gently caress about you and decimates your legion to make an example. I always pictured him as Space Stalin, but this is way better imo. He has the same stare as shell shock victims. Even if it doesn't capture him, it captures the character of his legion perfectly.
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FW can do much better on QA, but some margins can’t really be collapsed. FW pays a living wage to the people doing the actual casting, in England, and then the money from model sales also pays the sculptors, fluff writers, rules writers, art people, advertisers, administrative assistants, internal operations people, etc. Third-world recasters are paying massively discounted wages for only one very specific part of that. Recast models will always be a fraction of the price of legitimate ones.
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Sulecrist posted:FW can do much better on QA, I agree
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Hixson posted:I agree 
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Painted the big man himself, and holy poo poo this model is so much nicer than the plastic one: 
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Sulecrist posted:Third-world recasters are paying massively discounted wages for only one very specific part of that. Recast models will always be a fraction of the price of legitimate ones. The thinking is that FW would sell much more if they lowered the prices. Basically if they went (hypothetically) 50% off they'd sell more than twice as much, which would still allow them to cover their overhead. But FW is a weird little hobby industry that doesn't have the capability to manufacture more so they inflated MSRP as a speed governor to limit the amount of models they need to produce. E: I'm not claiming this is true, it's just the thinking. However, FW practices are a holdover from before GW believed in market research, so maybe there's something to it. moths fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Recasts aren't coming from 3rd world countries. It's 1st world stuff, mostly in China and Eastern Europe. FW stuff will always be more expensive, but the difference between making $50 from a recast and making $10 from a recast is significant. Recasters have infrastructure and labor costs, certainly less than FW, but even they shy away from large resin models exactly for the return on investment: low volume of sales and expensive setup costs. But like moths is saying, GW went in another direction than the race to the bottom for cost. Maybe it's better? BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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BULBASAUR posted:Recasts aren't coming from 3rd world countries. It's 1st world stuff, mostly in China and Eastern Europe. Those are 2nd world countries, btw
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Does brexit make the UK a tier 3 or tier 0 country?
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Painted the big man himself, and holy poo poo this model is so much nicer than the plastic one: This looks great! I like the helm.
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We are a garbage fire country.
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GuardianOfAsgaard posted:Painted the big man himself, and holy poo poo this model is so much nicer than the plastic one: I'm not sure how I missed this, it's spectacular. Nice work.
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BULBASAUR posted:Does brexit make the UK a tier 3 or tier 0 country? We're waiting for the EU to tell us what we can be
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Corrode posted:We're waiting for the EU to tell us what we can be Please sir, can we have some more control.
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TTerrible posted:Please sir, can we have some more control. I look forward to Taking Back Control of a wheelbarrow full of worthless money as I fight off scavengers in the wastelands of Somerset
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Corrode posted:I look forward to Taking Back Control of a wheelbarrow full of worthless money as I fight off scavengers in the wastelands of Somerset I'm so loving sovereign right now.
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DrPop posted:This looks great! I like the helm. TTerrible posted:I'm not sure how I missed this, it's spectacular. Nice work. Cheers!
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TTerrible posted:I'm so loving sovereign right now. #solidforsovereignty
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