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Arcsquad12 posted:One of the most common stories about the SS is about the Dog Test. A recruit raises a dog from infancy and earns it's trust, and then is told he has to shoot it to prove his loyalty to the SS. This was also referenced in the first Kingsmen movie. It's anecdotal but it originates with the SS. Wasn't that originally from Sparta? Or any number of other psycho ancient civilizations? Not sure we can pin that one to the Nazis specifically.
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Arcsquad12 posted:One of the most common stories about the SS is about the Dog Test. A recruit raises a dog from infancy and earns it's trust, and then is told he has to shoot it to prove his loyalty to the SS. This was also referenced in the first Kingsmen movie. It's anecdotal but it originates with the SS. GW are fortunately backing off on that lovely Scion fluff as of 8th edition, at least from what I hear. They have some cool models but the 6-7th edition fluff was incredibly bad.
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Apr 23, 2018 22:15
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susan posted:Wasn't that originally from Sparta? Or any number of other psycho ancient civilizations? Not sure we can pin that one to the Nazis specifically. Rumor/Anecdote/fragmentary evidence was the young spartiates would have to go kill a helot (the not quite slave, not quite freemen peasant class in Sparta), to prove their worthiness before becoming full citizens. Sort of a Skull and Bones secret society thing but instead of hanging dick infront of your future peers, you killed a person just trying to survive. Isn't the paired off to kill your partner thing also stolen from star wars? Isn't that how the Empire red dudes trained? Dumb as hell, I mean, way to kill off 50% of your viable and mostly trained recruiting class.
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Apr 23, 2018 22:23
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40k is really popular in Russia from what I gather and Russian trolls actively target the disaffected nerd demographic in their efforts to drive the rise of the alt-right in America so maybe there is some crossover there?
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Apr 23, 2018 22:30
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Noted ridiculous alt-right shitlord The Golden One is apparently a massive warhams nerd and also is rumoured to live near me. 
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Immanentized posted:Rumor/Anecdote/fragmentary evidence was the young spartiates would have to go kill a helot (the not quite slave, not quite freemen peasant class in Sparta), to prove their worthiness before becoming full citizens. Sort of a Skull and Bones secret society thing but instead of hanging dick infront of your future peers, you killed a person just trying to survive. Yeah, I remember that from the Star Wars: Crimson Empire.
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Arquinsiel posted:Noted ridiculous alt-right shitlord The Golden One is apparently a massive warhams nerd and also is rumoured to live near me. 
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Apr 24, 2018 00:17
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Arquinsiel posted:Noted ridiculous alt-right shitlord The Golden One is apparently a massive warhams nerd and also is rumoured to live near me. Well what are you going to do about him you behtah male?
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Apr 24, 2018 01:12
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I'm sorry I'm still stuck on where the gently caress does the whole we take girls and pump em full of roofs and turn them into space marines come from
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Waroduce posted:I'm sorry I'm still stuck on where the gently caress does the whole we take girls and pump em full of roofs and turn them into space marines come from I mean, inclusion means treating girl initiates the same way as boys I guess? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 02:36
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Waroduce posted:I'm sorry I'm still stuck on where the gently caress does the whole we take girls and pump em full of roofs and turn them into space marines come from People apparently mad that they think there are female space marines I guess, plus fevered imaginings of how it would be possible. Imagine how pissed off all the chuds would be. Their deff needs to be better, more realistic representation for women, but probably keeping space marines out of it. Primaris introduction would have been a good time to change it though if they wanted to.
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Apr 24, 2018 04:29
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Moose-Alini posted:People apparently mad that they think there are female space marines I guess, plus fevered imaginings of how it would be possible. Imagine how pissed off all the chuds would be. Here's part of the thing: the Space Marines are the face of 40k. About 75% of all marketing, books, and video games about 40k are centered on the Space Marines. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see women in the most prominent, publicized, and story-focused faction in the setting. Does not help that the Sisters of Battle are almost invariably written and drawn as that particular kind of powerful women as envisioned by men who wank to them.
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Apr 24, 2018 04:40
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This argument was pretty tiresome the last time we had it. It may be worth considering at a later point in time, but for now honestly I'm happy with the increased trend of female presence in 40k and hope to see it continue and increase in rate. Diversity in the media I consume is always nice.
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Apr 24, 2018 05:57
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Are they doing away with the Sisters of Battle? Aren't they basically lady Space Marines? Either way I'm glad to see more women as characters and heroes in games because they play games, too, and it's pretty funny watching people lose their minds over it because they're disturbed gatekeepers.
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Apr 24, 2018 06:42
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Arcsquad12 posted:Well what are you going to do about him you behtah male? It's a really weird rumour to be floating around given that we're socialist as gently caress here. Never saw they guy at anything so I suspect either it's not true or he's four foot nothing and very timid in reality.
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Apr 24, 2018 08:37
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So it's not like in the fluff or in a codex somewhere they roid up little girls cause that's horrific there are better ways to do like feminism and empower women or whatever in this gay fantasy land of pre teen male hormones
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Apr 24, 2018 13:02
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frogge posted:Are they doing away with the Sisters of Battle? Aren't they basically lady Space Marines? No, but they hardly ever appear in 40k media and tend to be very poorly treated by writers and artists when they do appear. They're also universally weaker than Space Marines - they're normal humans in power armor that isn't as advanced as the Marines'.
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Waroduce posted:So it's not like in the fluff or in a codex somewhere they roid up little girls cause that's horrific there are better ways to do like feminism and empower women or whatever in this gay fantasy land of pre teen male hormones No, it was all hyperbole on account of a few of the alt-right types on the internet that has metastasized into the real-world chud imbroglio. This isn't the Halo universe, after all. There are standards in 40k fiction. *adjusts spectacles*
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Apr 24, 2018 13:46
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Hell, considering how people can be mutated by the warp, there are probably a few chaos space marine followers of Slaanish or Tzeench that are as close to female as a genetically modified and biologically engineered supersoldier could be anyways.
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frogge posted:Are they doing away with the Sisters of Battle? They're doing the opposite actually. They have confirmed that they are due for a return in 2019 and have promised to provide updates regarding designs and rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smqK5cHSxMA Randalor posted:Hell, considering how people can be mutated by the warp, there are probably a few chaos space marine followers of Slaanish or Tzeench that are as close to female as a genetically modified and biologically engineered supersoldier could be anyways. Pretty sure that is more or less a thing in the new Fabulous Bile books based on some discussions I've seen on the authors tumblr about some of the character.
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Randalor posted:Hell, considering how people can be mutated by the warp, there are probably a few chaos space marine followers of Slaanish or Tzeench that are as close to female as a genetically modified and biologically engineered supersoldier could be anyways. PENIS OR VAGINA?  IT'S 2018
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I recently started the Ciaphas Cain series on y’alls suggestion. Representation of women has been really good and is kinda a nice surprise. I’m on the third book and every woman has been professional and competent, with some realistic flaws on a few. It does often say that almost all IG regiments are single gender, I dunno how canon that is supposed to be these days.
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Moose-Alini posted:I recently started the Ciaphas Cain series on y’alls suggestion. Representation of women has been really good and is kinda a nice surprise. I’m on the third book and every woman has been professional and competent, with some realistic flaws on a few. It does often say that almost all IG regiments are single gender, I dunno how canon that is supposed to be these days. It's generally supported by fluff that most IG regiments are single-gender, but of course seeing an all-female Guard regiment is drat near unheard of.
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I still have never gotten into the tabletop but I have decided if I do I am going to make a Space Wolves army that got sober through the 12 steps of AA
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D-Pad posted:I still have never gotten into the tabletop but I have decided if I do I am going to make a Space Wolves army that got sober through the 12 steps of AA This might be a cool angle for blood angels and the red thirst or something
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Cythereal posted:It's generally supported by fluff that most IG regiments are single-gender, but of course seeing an all-female Guard regiment is drat near unheard of. That's because every relevant IG regiment has to begin broken and has to merge with another for maximum conflict. Yay.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:That's because every relevant IG regiment has to begin broken and has to merge with another for maximum conflict. Yay. Oh poo poo, you've cracked the code! 
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:That's because every relevant IG regiment has to begin broken and has to merge with another for maximum conflict. Yay. Or you read fifteen hours and they all just die in their first deployment.
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I recently finished the first Cain omnibus. I enjoyed it, but (and I don't think this spoils anything but tags anyways) all of the "oh Emperor, if I knew what was coming next I'd totally have run away screaming"'s was above and beyond cheesy to the point that it sort of ruined any sense of tension for me. I'm now onto something not 40k right now but I'll be onto Defender of the Imperium afterwards because that gripe aside they were the best for taking it seriously but not too seriously.
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frogge posted:I recently finished the first Cain omnibus. I enjoyed it, but (and I don't think this spoils anything but tags anyways) all of the "oh Emperor, if I knew what was coming next I'd totally have run away screaming"'s was above and beyond cheesy to the point that it sort of ruined any sense of tension for me. I'm now onto something not 40k right now but I'll be onto Defender of the Imperium afterwards because that gripe aside they were the best for taking it seriously but not too seriously. Considering that they're his memoires, you probably shouldn't expect Cain to be in any danger of dying. Those around him on the other hand... Really, I think more of the tension comes from "Who around him is going to die and who lives" rather than "Will Cain survive?". That being said, it is kind of annoying the "cliffhanger" chapter endings. It would make sense if they were originally published in serial form, but I don't think White Dwarf ever did serialized stories. Unless it's supposed to fit the idea of Cain's memoires being a bit of a jumbled mess, and each chapter would trail off into a different story or analogy or old-man-rambling-while-drunk before eventually getting back on track, and the inquisitor edited out those parts.
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Honestly, if anyone doesn't enjoy a series where the protagonist fights a duel with psychic space Hitler that ends with him punting him over a cliff edge, lampshaded with a footnote from a third party Historian saying "No this sounds like ridiculous propaganda BS, but no really, the whole thing was caught on tape" then I don't know what to tell you.
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Deptfordx posted:Honestly, if anyone doesn't enjoy a series where the protagonist fights a duel with psychic space Hitler that ends with him punting him over a cliff edge, lampshaded with a footnote from a third party Historian saying "No this sounds like ridiculous propaganda BS, but no really, the whole thing was caught on tape" then I don't know what to tell you. ...Well that was unexpected! *Splat*
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Deptfordx posted:Honestly, if anyone doesn't enjoy a series where the protagonist fights a duel with psychic space Hitler that ends with him punting him over a cliff edge, lampshaded with a footnote from a third party Historian saying "No this sounds like ridiculous propaganda BS, but no really, the whole thing was caught on tape" then I don't know what to tell you. Oh man, was that Cain's Last Stand? I might need to reread that
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Funny enough Last Stand is also the book that outright mentions that the whole thing about Sisters of Battle being celibate is pure horseshit. Something Which is mentioned in one of Vail's footnotes after Cain realizes the Cannoness at the Schola is sleeping with some decently ranked Administratum guy. Pretty sure he's even kinda jealous of him for pulling that off. 
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Is that the same cannoness who is REALLY good at not-poker, and cracks jokes about spending the winnings on wanton debauchery?
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Randalor posted:Is that the same cannoness who is REALLY good at not-poker, and cracks jokes about spending the winnings on wanton debauchery? Yup. That's the one. Cooked Auto posted:Funny enough Last Stand is also the book that outright mentions that the whole thing about Sisters of Battle being celibate is pure horseshit. It's also the same book that implies Cain slept with a tech-priestess. The tech-priestess in Know No Fear was pretty neat - you eventually learn that she was outright married to the tech-priest who died early in the book and everything she's done in the book has been driven by her lost love. It's a weird and appropriate somber reflection for the protagonist, realizing that even tech-priests are in many ways more human than Space Marines, and that knowing no fear also means knowing no love. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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MonsterEnvy posted:Speaking of Cain here is the cover of his new book. He has the look on his face that suggests this is Cain-actual not a propaganda image of Cain (which the other book covers probably were), but he's holding a bolt pistol when his "thing" is a Las so I'm confused? E: I've been reading the Flashman books which were listed somewhere as a big inspiration for Cain, and they are. Only with a lot more racism and raping? And I do "get" that Flashman is supposed to be a loving million years old and a remnant of his time and very explicitly not a hero and so forth, and I'm really enjoying the books, but goddamn. My rear end in a top hat is getting hella stronger from the clench I do each time he drops an n-bomb. EE: Apropos of nothing in particular, my view on Cain has always been that he is (by any objective standard) a legitimate hero. It's just that he's got a Han Solo thing going where he buys into himself not being a hero. Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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