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I am sensing some animosity from heart and cest right now I dunno I am kinda observant about these things
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lmfao https://twitter.com/mijukusdreamer/status/987992485023498240
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Apr 24, 2018 13:52
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There is something about genre writers where the further you go down the genre hole the more they claim they are secretly way better than "real writers" quote:"Gene Wolfe is the greatest writer in the English language alive today. Let me repeat that: Gene Wolfe is the greatest writer in the English language alive today! I mean it. Shakespeare was a better stylist, Melville was more important to American letters, and Charles Dickens had a defter hand at creating characters. But among living writers, there is nobody who can even approach Gene Wolfe for brilliance of prose, clarity of thought, and depth in meaning." quote:"Forget 'Speculative Fiction'. Gene Wolfe is the best writer alive. Period. And as Wolfe once said, 'All novels are fantasies. Some are more honest about it.' No comparison. Nobody – I mean nobody – comes close to what this artist does." quote:Martin will never win a Pulitzer or a National Book Award, but his skill as a crafter of narrative exceeds that of almost any literary novelist writing today.
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Apr 24, 2018 13:59
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Mel Mudkiper posted:But among living writers, there is nobody who can even approach Gene Wolfe for brilliance of prose, clarity of thought, and depth in meaning. CountFosco posted:What struck me on the beach–and it struck me indeed, so that I staggered as at a blow–was that if the Eternal Principle had rested in that curved thorn I had carried about my neck across so many leagues, and if it now rested in the new thorn (perhaps the same thorn) I had only now put there, then it might rest in everything, in every thorn in every bush, in every drop of water in the sea. The thorn was a sacred Claw because all thorns were sacred Claws; the sand in my boots was sacred sand because it came from a beach of sacred sand. The cenobites treasured up the relics of the sannyasins because the sannyasins had approached the Pancreator. But everything had approached and even touched the Pancreator, because everything had dropped from his hand. Everything was a relic. All the world was a relic. I drew off my boots, that had traveled with me so far, and threw them into the waves that I might not walk shod on holy ground.
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Apr 24, 2018 14:09
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"Fandom" is one of those concepts I am completely unable to understand at even a basic levelSham bam bamina! posted:It is the confluence of tribalism and capitalism. This is a loving excellent definition. Stealing this for the future. Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 14:10
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Mel Mudkiper posted:"Fandom" is one of those concepts I am completely unable to understand at even a basic level Edit: Mel Mudkiper posted:This is a loving excellent definition. Stealing this for the future. Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 14:13
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Sham bam bamina! posted:It is the confluence of tribalism and capitalism. Difficult to sympathize with, trivial to understand. I've been re-reading David Shields lately so I'm inclined to deny that intellectual theft exists any longer.
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Apr 24, 2018 14:27
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Ummmm but have you considered that Virgil is doing fan fiction of Homer?
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Apr 24, 2018 14:32
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J_RBG posted:Ummmm but have you considered that Virgil is doing fan fiction of Homer? Technically a fan commission
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Apr 24, 2018 14:33
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I don't remotely believe that fanfiction is theft; I was just being glib.
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Apr 24, 2018 14:35
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If fanfiction was theft I'd have infinitely more respect for it, or if it resembled anonymous medieval vernacular romances and their endless variants
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Apr 24, 2018 14:44
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it's true, all my writing projects have stalled out the gate cuz i cant decide if my protag should have 16 or 17 dexterity >_<
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Apr 24, 2018 15:09
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like hewwo "paradise lost" is fanfic?????
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Apr 24, 2018 15:38
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anime avatar wrong again. amazing!
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Who the hell is this person that that tweet has 18000 likesfridge corn posted:it's true, all my writing projects have stalled out the gate cuz i cant decide if my protag should have 16 or 17 dexterity >_< A friend of mine had someone complain to her that he had to retool* an entire section of his novel because he needed to make sure a character had enough healing potions to save another character later in the story *I say retool because he hadn't and never would actually write the thing, he just wanted to talk about his "ideas" like what kind of special powers the villain's armor has and describing entire lineages of his fictional fantasy empire
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Apr 24, 2018 16:44
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gene wolfe is pretty good tho, the 'shadow of the torturer' series was kind of like a gateway into real literature for me. after i read that all the other space and dragon books i was reading seemed really lame and i had to look elsewhere. sort of a precursor for getting into literature, for me anyway.
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Apr 24, 2018 16:55
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Heath posted:A friend of mine had someone complain to her that he had to retool* an entire section of his novel because he needed to make sure a character had enough healing potions to save another character later in the story Some TV Troper posted:So, at the end of Issue One of my current story, the main character has been injured by various fights with Mooks and also a Giant Space Flea From Nowhere. He then gets into a fight with the Big Bad (of issue one). My problem is that the main character doesn't have enough health potions to recover enough health to win this last fight. Furthermore, it's absolutely vital for the plot of future Issues that he win this fight, because he gets his Yandere girlfriend as a Random Drop at the end of the fight, completing the Battle Couple. So how should I fix the discrepancy?
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Apr 24, 2018 17:01
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that makes me angry on some primal level i don't understand. like a visceral kind of gut anger
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Apr 24, 2018 17:16
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derp posted:gene wolfe is pretty good tho, the 'shadow of the torturer' series was kind of like a gateway into real literature for me. after i read that all the other space and dragon books i was reading seemed really lame and i had to look elsewhere. sort of a precursor for getting into literature, for me anyway. I had a similar experience, where reading Vonnegut, Lem, and Atwood made me dissatisfied with the rest of the sci-fi I had been reading and pushed me toward literature. That's why I'll (try to) not worry about what my kids will read, in the event I have kids. I figure as long as they just keep reading they'll come around. Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 17:16
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so I'm gonna read some dubliners and the Amazon classics edition (free) is like 182 pages and the penguin edition (£2.99) is 368 pages or something. what gives. not sure i trust the amazon classics edition but why is the penguin version twice as long??
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Apr 24, 2018 19:16
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I think it has illustrations, an intro and some critical essays or notes. The free ones also tend to have formatting issues and even typos. Edit: check if there is a copy with Kindle Matchbook. You may be able to get a physical and digital copy for around that same pricing. Franchescanado fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 19:28
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fridge corn posted:so I'm gonna read some dubliners and the Amazon classics edition (free) is like 182 pages and the penguin edition (£2.99) is 368 pages or something. what gives. not sure i trust the amazon classics edition but why is the penguin version twice as long?? it's probably got a massive amount of footnotes. joyce books tend to. they can sometimes be really useful. and sometimes really pedantic and biographical and irrelevant. but imo probably worth £3.
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Apr 24, 2018 19:30
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Yeah, Dubliners is not in itself a 368-page book. The Amazon edition wouldn't be my choice, but I would look into a less copiously supplemented version; that much extra gunk tends to smother the actual text (e.g. loving Norton).
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Apr 24, 2018 19:46
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One does not have to read every endnote.
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Apr 24, 2018 20:07
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I guess it's not so bad if they're endnotes, but an excess of little numbers scattered across the text is still a distraction that I'd rather avoid within reason (speaking purely for myself).
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Apr 24, 2018 20:17
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Mr. Squishy posted:One does not have to read every endnote. But then you will miss out on all the world-building
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Apr 24, 2018 20:20
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I guess it's not so bad if they're endnotes, but an excess of little numbers scattered across the text is still a distraction that I'd rather avoid within reason (speaking purely for myself). That's fair. My copy of something Russian glossed cabbage soup for me.
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Apr 24, 2018 20:24
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Also make sure to double-check the publisher info on anything that's in the public domain because it's really easy to accidentally buy a lovely print-on-demand edition that's printed on 8.5x11 paper and looks like a grade school workbook
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Apr 24, 2018 20:26
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I have the Penguin Dubliners. The core text is 225 pages IIRC. The endnotes are fantastic, always factual, relevant, and concise (rather than indulging the editor's pet theories or interpreting the text for you). And with this book in particular, unless you're really up on the geography and culture of turn-of-the-century Dublin, I'd consider the endnotes more or less mandatory. e: Mel Mudkiper posted:But then you will miss out on all the world-building shut the gently caress up!!!! Eugene V. Dubstep fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Apr 24, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 21:27
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Apr 24, 2018 21:29
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Get Gabler & Hettche's.
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Apr 24, 2018 21:32
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Tim Burns Effect posted:Also make sure to double-check the publisher info on anything that's in the public domain because it's really easy to accidentally buy a lovely print-on-demand edition that's printed on 8.5x11 paper and looks like a grade school workbook sometimes you luck out and they print it on paper the size of a megasized coloring book
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Eugene V. Dubstep posted:I have the Penguin Dubliners. The core text is 225 pages IIRC. The endnotes are fantastic, always factual, relevant, and concise (rather than indulging the editor's pet theories or interpreting the text for you). And with this book in particular, unless you're really up on the geography and culture of turn-of-the-century Dublin, I'd consider the endnotes more or less mandatory. yeah i also have this version as well and it's good. spend the couple of $ to get something you know wasn't a lovely scan by someone. also lmao at the edit
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Apr 24, 2018 21:40
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I read the Norton critical edition which helped most especially with all the money references. I assume Penguin would too
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Mel Mudkiper posted:There is something about genre writers where the further you go down the genre hole the more they claim they are secretly way better than "real writers" similarly there's a thing called 'sturgeon's law', which is something that internet guys like to trot out to claim that most works in a given genre are bad, but the name and concept actually comes from a 50s sci fi man retorting at literary authors who claimed to be better than sci fi writers
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Mr. Squishy posted:One does not have to read every endnote. yeah but. it's joyce. he doesn't give a poo poo. he'll assume you have a working knowledge of irish culture, politics, religion, vernacular, education, philosophy, literature etc. etc. circa 1900 and if you don't then gently caress you!!!!! the endnotes can be really good for that stuff.
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Apr 25, 2018 02:29
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I read the third policeman and didn't really get it. I liked the beginning and end though.
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Yeah I got the penguin edition and theres like 5 endnotes per page!!!!! but I know gently caress all about catholicism (and everything else he's on about apparently) so it's really helpful lol
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