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Cojawfee posted:We do see the other cards. They are pictures of people with modern haircuts and glasses, not hosts. In all seriousness they're nobody we can recognize either way and the whole vibe with Bernard on the beach is weird, and I'm gonna keep my crackpot theory for now.
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CapnAndy posted:Pfft, those are obviously hosts from Twentiethcenturyworld. I actually like this theory best so far. I'm glad people are coming up with some crackpot theories. I think the thing that bummed me out this episode is that I don't feel like I have anything to go off in terms of making a crackpot theory. Hopefully next time.
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Apr 24, 2018 23:28
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As far as crackpot theories go, this episode made a point of establishing what a host brain looks like, and how modular/swappable it is, so I will not be shocked if that's setting up a plot point/twist.
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Apr 24, 2018 23:35
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I could have sworn I saw an Elsie card.
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Apr 24, 2018 23:39
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Since we are in the crackpot theory phase I would like to offer one: The Door Ford figured out the maze long ago and was well aware of the companies Drone Host operation, because its his park that's why, and realized he could take advantage of the two events for his own purposes. While the maze was never intended for William, his obsessive quest to go deeper gives Ford the end game for his plans to take over the company. The Door is actually the drone facility, where Ford's consciousness is currently residing. William will get led around till he finds "The Door." At which point his reward will be to get copied and replaced by Ford. At which point Ford can now use the full resources of the company to basically take over the world and populate it with hosts while he plays god.
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Teikanmi posted:I dunno if it's just the show trying to pivot but it felt like it lost the thread between seasons. That episode felt nothing cased in a whole lot more nothing. I thought it was surprisingly action oriented and literal, but I think it's forgivable as a set up for what's coming. The thing I miss the most from season 1 so far is the absolutely relentless under-theme and metaphor of parents/children relating to humanity/hosts and vice versa. The subtext of raising children into personhood/consciousness and what it could mean about the next story is the most enjoyable part of the re-watch of S1 for me. It looks like the few navel-gazer moments in the new episode are making "what is real?" a theme for this season and idk if that's as interesting or as solidly connected to the premise. Not really a big fan of Woke Dolores at the moment, I thought the robo-threat was way more menacing and interesting when it was more "we're inevitable and you're poo poo so have fun dying" instead of an aggressive, x-men baddy-ish "they threaten our survival so we have no choice but to take over the planet" sentiment. I'm excited to see where Bernard and William go, especially since William seems like he's going to be a perspective character for more Ford talks and thoughts, and I think it'd be a shame if Season 2 was missing that "above it" character. Buuuuut I trust the writers and Paul Scheer on How Did This Get Made said the first ep sets up the world and the next 4 will blow your mind so it seems he was preparing people for an "off" first ep.
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It's amazing how many people didn't recognize the dong scene for what it was, and missed the intentional awkwardness. God drat, people. That scene was perfect *edit* I just remembered that I have this insane avatar now and its a solid post combo.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I thought it was surprisingly action oriented and literal, but I think it's forgivable as a set up for what's coming. Rewatching season 1 owns because (for me anyway) it changes what I initially thought of the demeaning things Ford would say to/about the hosts: "Why did you cover her up? She's not human, it doesn't matter!" or "You can't remember your backstory Teddy, because we never bothered to actually give you one" to actually be a projection of his own inner self loathing/guilt about how the hosts have been treated. Also watching any scene with Bernard and remembering that Ford saw (and directed via Bernard's programming) all of it, lol.
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my theory on William and The Door: I think there's something to the way it was talked about as a reverse function of The Maze, where a host finds purpose/consciousness/their own voice by way of suffering, remembering and acting of their own accord. I think Ford saw that William is the only other human who has as much sympathy towards the hosts and understanding of what their real situation is as conscious/living beings: Despite his actions in the consequence-free version of the park his stated purpose was always to give them the ability to fight back and free themselves, he was the only other person than Ford who noticed that they became "alive" when they suffered (when he killed Maeve's daughter) and between that and his Dolores adventure I think he also got over the same hump that Ford did where he's convinced that they're truly alive, or at least capable of becoming conscious/alive. BUT he's not quite to the point that Ford got to in his thinking about the Hosts. I think Ford also knows he's the only human he can count on to survive fighting his way out of the park and he's going to give him a lesson/adventure that will convince him of the same thing that Ford was on to at the end of season 1: Not just that they're alive but that they DESERVE to take over the planet. I think he's got a reverse Maze to go through that will end up putting him back in the outside world as the owner of the park(s) and in a unique position to actually help the hosts achieve what Ford wanted for them. And it'll all be a perspective journey for the viewer on the writers argument for why the hosts in this world really do (or at least might) deserve to win. I think he's going to get a lesson on what was actually at the center of the maze and why the hosts getting the ability to fight back means more than he thinks it does and then take that out from the center of the maze back to the world. My most longshot guess is that as owner he's going to have some way of giving the actual Westworld(s) a sort of national independence and his journey out is going to convince him that's the right thing to do, and the end of the season will be a sort of 01-machine city situation where the world is forced to recognize the Westworld(s) as an equal nation among others. Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Apr 24, 2018 23:56
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Not a fan of sadistic terminator Dolores but looking forward to Ed Harris trolling around.
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Boris Galerkin posted:So you agree with me and what I said, down to using the same example re: red and crimson? Uh, no? i) You said "Some people growing up in certain cultures see blue and green as the same color" (my bolding). I disagree, since they do not see them as the same colour, what they do is name them the same word. Oh, wait - Boris Galerkin posted:e: Cool we agree, though again, to me, "perceive" conveys that they are incapable of perceiving the difference, while what is happening is that they are choosing to divide the visible spectrum in different places than we/our culture does (I blame Newton's numerology) and then naming their divisions rather than ours. ii) My examples - admittedly taking yours as a jumping off position - were crimson and scarlet as they are specific, visibly different subdivisions of the wider colour family called red in English. Two precisely definable variations locatable within the more general term, in the same way that other cultures/languages may have what we identify as 'blue' and 'green' as merely two points within their 'grue'.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:my theory on William and The Door: I think you're spot on and really hope this is where we end up at the end.
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Elderbean posted:That's precisely why the company is trying to smuggle tech out of the park. They want the IP, Ford kept it all in the park. On this point, we don't actually know how pronounced Westworld tech is in society at large. Charlotte suggests the physical tech - building synth-bodies, manufacturing robo-brains, etc. - isn't all that valuable. And William talks about the organic bodies as some cheap corporate concession, so I wouldn't be surprised if human-like robots are already pretty ubiquitous elsewhere. They're just not very "convincing." It'd be interesting if wider society already has a slave-class of dumb robots (as hospitality and domestic workers, or industrial workers, or sex workers or whatever.) But Delos' plan was to sell a better robot OS based off of Ford's dev work. That'd make the revolutionary plot more convincing, because then it becomes about what version of the OS "infects" the robot underclass that has already spread everywhere. I'm hoping that at least one of the plotlines involves a sentient host sneaking into a different park (maybe one way further away and still operational) and grassroots flipping the hosts there. Hell, maybe that's what Maeve does this season.
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Apr 25, 2018 02:04
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Is McPoyle going to be in this season at all?
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drunken officeparty posted:Is McPoyle going to be in this season at all? jimmi simpson will be back yeah
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Xealot posted:On this point, we don't actually know how pronounced Westworld tech is in society at large. Charlotte suggests the physical tech - building synth-bodies, manufacturing robo-brains, etc. - isn't all that valuable. And William talks about the organic bodies as some cheap corporate concession, so I wouldn't be surprised if human-like robots are already pretty ubiquitous elsewhere. They're just not very "convincing." I think it's more that there is a cheap form of actual slave labor: Ford mentions in season 1 that disease and injury are basically non-factors for humans. The fact that there are still rich people who can afford to go to WW means society isn't post-scarcity yet, but with the level of terraforming and bespoke nonsense they can make on the fly, I'm guessing they aren't far off. Don't really need robots when there are still plenty of poors around. But the real value of the tech is in the doppleganger implications, which with detailed psych profiles, biometrics, and DNA of some of the richest and most influential people on the planet could give Delos de facto hegemony within a decade. Even if drones are ubiquitous, the ability to convincingly mimic real humans is invaluable.  Judging by the previews, Maeve goes to Samurai World, at the very least...
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it's not hard to imagine a world that is post-scarcity for the people with the money to afford it
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Serf posted:it's not hard to imagine a world that is post-scarcity for the people with the money to afford it That's any world with rich people. If you have enough money, you don't have to worry about how rare anything is.
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I hope Ford doesn't do some thing where it's sike, everyone is still alive including me, every human you saw die was a copy, and this is my new narrative I was telling you about, it's better than ever because I tricked you into thinking consequences were real this time (I doubt it because he seems to care about the hosts now, but what if he doesn't and their awakening is still his scripting)
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Cojawfee posted:That's any world with rich people. If you have enough money, you don't have to worry about how rare anything is. 
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Xealot posted:On this point, we don't actually know how pronounced Westworld tech is in society at large. Charlotte suggests the physical tech - building synth-bodies, manufacturing robo-brains, etc. - isn't all that valuable. And William talks about the organic bodies as some cheap corporate concession, so I wouldn't be surprised if human-like robots are already pretty ubiquitous elsewhere. They're just not very "convincing." It really is not beyond the wit of man to create a convincing human. Though the show may try and sell it. There would be an entire industry trying to one up each other constantly. With legions of highly skilled people working on the even the most banal minutiae of human mannerisms just to sell the latest iPerson. Collateral fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Pilot episode Ford mentions the possibility of human resurrection akin to Lazarus. My crackpot theory is everyone is a robot except Bernarnold (long may he live)
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I remember Delos collecting DNA samples from guests came up in season 1, but I can't remember in what context.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:I remember Delos collecting DNA samples from guests came up in season 1, but I can't remember in what context. I imagine they get a heap of genetic material left in the Hosts 
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Shoehead posted:I imagine they get a heap of genetic material left in the Hosts That's what the 200 psi douche is for.
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eyebeem posted:It's amazing how many people didn't recognize the dong scene for what it was, and missed the intentional awkwardness. some people are very invested in defending the sanctity of the penis im not joking
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THEORY: Preston Jacobs (obsessive GOT nerd) is doing Westworld recaps now, and they are good.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:THEORY: Preston Jacobs (obsessive GOT nerd) is doing Westworld recaps now, and they are good.  edit: Not even remotely as crazy as his ASoIaF stuff. Solice Kirsk fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Apr 25, 2018 14:57
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The robots are evil HTH
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Nichael posted:Dolores' dialogue was really bad. The scene where she's hanging people was cringey. Also, there was a scene where The Man in Black/William essentially looks into the camera as his theme song plays. They should have played the music from "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly".
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I was trying to figure out if Dolores was giving the hanging victims a chance to escape by not tying their arms behind their backs but I don't think that was the point of the scene
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Solice Kirsk posted:
He doesn't have a whole extended universe of GURMs sci-fi to dig through, but he is good at picking out symbolism that might mean something. I did like his THEORY at the end that Bernard flooded the valley to kill off the hosts' vertebrae-bombed bodies so they could be reborn. Either way his frustration with Benard's random midday clothing changes and Stubbs generally are fantastic. Edit: "We need to perform a complicated retrieval process on this long dead guy to know what happened." *Walks past security personnel headshotting compliant hosts who saw the whole two weeks* ”Welp, that told us what we already knew while providing no new insight. To the dune buggies!" Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Nichael posted:Dolores' dialogue was really bad. The scene where she's hanging people was cringey. Also, there was a scene where The Man in Black/William essentially looks into the camera as his theme song plays. There's been a script leak from the last episode: code:
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Okay, I'm going to reserve my wicked smart kid points and put my plot marker down. Note: I'm putting my stupid theory in spoiler tags. It absolutely is not. I'm putting it in spoilers anyway because once upon a time some very smart goon hit a plot twist on a great show from way, way, downtown and when the twist happened my reaction to the great twist was "eh...I wish I hadn't read that." It is, in fact a stupid theory that's probably wrong. So anyway, my THEORY on THE DOOR is that we've already seen it. It's the door to the lab hidden underneath Old Ford's Country Cottage. When the Man in Black finds it he'll go downstairs to find that a young William body is cooking there. Now that the hosts (and more importantly Dolores) are "real," Ford is offering the Man in Black an opportunity to transfer his consciousness into a host body. The MiB has spent his whole life chasing that original infatuation of the him and Dolores against the world narrative and Ford is giving him the opportunity to play it out. Dolores, with all her memories restored, will have to square the idealistic William she loved with the monster that brutalized her in episode 1. Teddy, as always, will get dropped like a bad habit because he won't be able to break out of his hapless hero routines. I think it works from a narrative perspective (because where else does the MiB have to go?) from a storytelling perspective (you can introduce some more timeline sleight-of-hand if young William is in the present or future) and also from a real world perspective in that doing so will allow them to cut back on Ed Harris who's got to be a big chunk of the show's budget.
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This might seem ovious but I realized that in order for things to be hidden from a bot, they need to be flagged. So, it means that prior acknowledgement and changes to code need made to add it to the list of things to hide.
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ITT: People who have no problem eating animals argue that being mean to a robot means you should be killed.
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On that note I'd like there to be a Narniaworld, because if talking animals start crossing over poo poo would be lit. Edit: Did the animals "wake up" too? They were were a part of the back-stage assault last season. If so, do they have different CPUs or are they just limited to animal thoughts and actions? I doubt they'll get into chimeras with voiceboxes, but a pissed off mocking bird would be pretty awesome. Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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FuriousxGeorge posted:ITT: People who have no problem eating animals argue that being mean to a robot means you should be killed. boom, got 'em
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