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Tiggum posted:I hate it every time they do this. It's so incredibly blatant it's like they stop the show to have the characters turn to the camera and say "Donald Trump is bad. Do you get it? We're making a political statement! About Donald Trump. Did you catch it? OK, back to the show!" I think we need to be more blatant about considering, Donald Trump is out president.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think we need to be more blatant about considering, Donald Trump is out president. Dc’s next big crossover event will be this thread and cspam
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Chokes McGee posted:Dc’s next big crossover event will be this thread and cspam WEAR THE HAT, OLIVER!
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Apr 22, 2018 20:23
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Chokes McGee posted:Dc’s next big crossover event will be this thread and cspam I BUILT THE WALL BECAUSE I WANTED TO, AND I LIKED IT!
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Tiggum posted:Nope, those were all awful. Every Arrowverse show has done it and it's terrible every time. Nah.
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nine-gear crow posted:WEAR THE HAT, OLIVER! One of the most enduring side plots brings Felicity and Curtis back together to locate the piss tape before it's too late
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Apr 22, 2018 23:53
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Fight was cool, but I still cannot give a poo poo about Diaz. The whole thing was as cliche as gently caress.
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Tiggum posted:I hate it every time they do this. It's so incredibly blatant it's like they stop the show to have the characters turn to the camera and say "Donald Trump is bad. Do you get it? We're making a political statement! About Donald Trump. Did you catch it? OK, back to the show!" That's a pretty obvious statement to make under the circumstances though. It's only a problem for you because Trump is acting like a B-plot villain on a comic book TV show, and somehow that's the TV show's fault.
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Having all organized crime on the entire continent being orchestrated by four people is some pretty dumb stuff to just drop out of nowhere, but I thought this episode did a lot to flesh out Diaz and like others have said definitely should have taken place earlier, but I suppose they couldn't find a way to work Laurel into it because she was still playing E1 Laurel, for reasons? I don't know. Either way, I still think Acevedo is killing it, even if he doesn't have a lot to work with. He really deserved an episode all to himself and he just really nailed it. Still hoping he turns into an actual dragon, tho.
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Ubik_Lives posted:because Trump is acting like a B-plot villain on a comic book TV show It's the same issue as when they have their characters kill a bunch of people but then say that killing is bad and no one should do it. They want Oliver to be a serial killer but still be a good guy and their workaround is to just have him say he doesn't approve of murder while he continues to do it.
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Tiggum posted:It's not even the villain though, it's the hero. [citation required] I think this entire season is building up around how bad Ollie is as a leader. His actions this season, while morally justified, are almost always strategically wrong. I don’t think he’s supposed to be in the right, and will be forced to have a change of heart at some point, but I don’t think you’re supposed to agree with his default stance of distrusting others and constantly isolating himself. Rene is an informant? Don't bother talking to your team members about it, you don't owe them poo poo, just immediately start spying on all of them. (Note that Rene does own up to the issue when it's brought up in conversation.) Diggle is pissed about me taking the hood back? Well, I should explain how I feel, and that should solve it. If someone else explains how they feel, I should start pushing all their buttons, because I have what I want and that’s that. Members of my staff are working against me and have opened up about it, for entirely understandable reasons? Should I show some compassion, and try to use them as double agents, even in just a minor capacity? Nah, screw that DA's dying wife. Next time vote Democrat. I've been turned into a drug fuelled psycho Rambo version of myself, because my worst fear, my most restrained impulse, is to isolate myself from my allies and make suicidal charges head first into danger? Crazy me makes some good points, I'm going to write this down. The problem I have with Ollie's downwards trajectory is that there’s too much padding around it, and they play up the wrong parts. There’s too much other stuff to draw your attention away from the team imploding, and too much complaining about how Ollie put Rene into the hospital, when Rene was swinging an axe at Ollie. Even now, when they finally have Ollie completely isolating himself from everyone, they switch focus back onto Diaz. They really needed to follow up the drug episode with another confrontation with Diaz which goes poorly, and have the episode end with Ollie alone and injured in the bunker, but instead he’s doing fine in offscreen fights. They keep saying that Ollie is his own worst enemy, and that Diaz is going to defeat him by just giving Ollie enough rope to hang himself, and this is happening, but it’s paced so slowly to lose all impact, and you question if his bad decisions were actually good ones.
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I still think a "the team breaks up" story was deeply misguided. But there was a way to do it organically and they definitely avoided that choice. The first half of the season focuses on Daddy Arrow suddenly parenting, and has its mis-steps. Its not bad, but it aint great. And then in a single episode Oliver blows the team up and the whole premise goes to poo poo. The same largely goes for Dinah, too.
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Tiggum posted:I hate it every time they do this. It's so incredibly blatant it's like they stop the show to have the characters turn to the camera and say "Donald Trump is bad. Do you get it? We're making a political statement! About Donald Trump. Did you catch it? OK, back to the show!" It's obvious when it does happen, but usually flows well with the rest of the episode. The only glaringly "really? did someone seriously write that line in? and they thought it sounded good?" moment I've had was with SHIELD a few weeks back. May drops some random one-liner about russians and democracy in the middle of a tense moment that completely took me out of it. On topic: Diaz should have had this episode so long ago. I really like the actor so I'm trying to like him, but there's not much to go on.
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Cran posted:Rene deserves to be in the hospital. This whole season needs to be in the hospital for uh terminal stupid!!!
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Ubik_Lives posted:[citation required] Yeah, the whole "Oliver this is your fault" thing could have been more believable if they would have just changed around some stuff. Actually show Oliver getting outmaneuvered as mayor instead of just flipping the switch and everyone in the city is now working for Diaz. Actually show Oliver mishandling Rene instead of benching the guy who flipped on you and then yelling at him for not following orders in the field. Actually have Diggle being a really good Green Arrow who keeps getting derailed by Oliver butting in instead of some guy hiding a drug problem. Actually show Curtis being a sensitive guy who was deeply hurt by betrayal and not just some jackass who hates Oliver for spying on him but not Rene for ratting him out. Instead we just have a bunch of unsympathetic people saying Oliver sucks at a job he appears to be doing ok but not great with this season. Also the "you suck at being a leader" thing kind of doesn't work very well since he's had a team since almost the beginning. Season 3 at the very latest.
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In case anyone missed it, Flash gave us another Laurel tonight so that's gonna make for some fun Parent Trap BS next season.
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Rhyno posted:In case anyone missed it, Flash gave us another Laurel tonight so that's gonna make for some fun Parent Trap BS next season. And the best part is, she’s completely indistinguishable from Black Siren! 
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I'm sure there's a swastika on her costume somewhere.
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Aphrodite posted:Obviously Black Siren is the default Laurel and regular Laurel was the real outlier. Maybe its what happens when Oliver doesn't disappear from her life for five years and instead hangs around cheating on her and being a selfish rear end in a top hat.
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Chokes McGee posted:And the best part is, she’s completely indistinguishable from Black Siren! I'm trying to get Brownshirt Siren to stick as a nickname, because I like bad puns more than I like adding X to things. But it's not sticking.
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Bruceski posted:I'm trying to get Brownshirt Siren to stick as a nickname, because I like bad puns more than I like adding X to things. But it's not sticking. Honestly, now I kind of want to see Black Siren go to Earth-X and try to pull the same mindgame fuckery on Commandant Quentin as she did on E1 Quentin.
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Bruceski posted:I'm trying to get Brownshirt Siren to stick as a nickname, because I like bad puns more than I like adding X to things. But it's not sticking. Nazi Siren has a better chance of sticking.
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nine-gear crow posted:Honestly, now I kind of want to see Black Siren go to Earth-X and try to pull the same mindgame fuckery on Commandant Quentin as she did on E1 Quentin. I'd laugh if Quentin sees Nazi Siren walking along the street and then immediately puts a bullet in Black Siren because he's thinks he'll have a better shot at saving a new evil one
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Bruceski posted:I'm trying to get Brownshirt Siren to stick as a nickname, because I like bad puns more than I like adding X to things. But it's not sticking. I appreciate where you’re going with this but the word shirt is completely not a part of the original and it just doesn’t work 
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Chokes McGee posted:I appreciate where you’re going with this but the word shirt is completely not a part of the original and it just doesn’t work Unfortunately Brown Canary has different connotations.
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Bruceski posted:Unfortunately Brown Canary has different connotations. That would be a joke Legends would go for. Nate gets taken out of a fight by Laurel Crying him right in the stomach and he runs off bow-legged and gurgling. Sara calls in and goes "what the hell just happened?" and then Wally says Nate just got "Brown Canary'd" 
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WhyteRyce posted:Also the "you suck at being a leader" thing kind of doesn't work very well since he's had a team since almost the beginning. Season 3 at the very latest. You can't ask me to remember things from four years ago without making a "whoosh" flashback sound effect. In this season's defence, I will say that I don't think Ollie was a spectacular leader in the early years. He accumulated people to his cause, but they were largely subordinate to him, and they tended to originate from people who were already close to him. As a result, he pretty much always got his way. I'm pretty sure at one point he shot Roy Harper in the leg just because Roy wanted to do something that Ollie didn't approve of. Much of the early interpersonal Arrow drama has been about how Ollie does what he wants. Each season had some biannual melodrama fight where Fecility would be brought to near tears because Ollie was about to do something reckless, or was lying to her, or whatever, because he thought it was the right thing to do, and that's all that mattered. Replace Felicity with Tommy for Season 1. And replace Felicity for Dinah for this season, and replace tears with being overly offended. I think the main difference now is not really that Ollie is any worse at being a team leader, but Rene is just terrible at being a team member, and Ollie doesn't know how to handle that. He needs to show some actual leadership, and not just possess the position as a default title. It's slightly contrived to have Rene being as obstinate and insubordinate as he is, but Ollie getting annoyed with everyone and cutting them off isn't really out-of-character for him.
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Ubik_Lives posted:In this season's defence, I will say that I don't think Ollie was a spectacular leader in the early years. He accumulated people to his cause, but they were largely subordinate to him, and they tended to originate from people who were already close to him. As a result, he pretty much always got his way. I'm pretty sure at one point he shot Roy Harper in the leg just because Roy wanted to do something that Ollie didn't approve of. He absolutely shot him in the leg because Roy wanted to do something he didn't approve of. You also can't mention Roy without bringing up the time Ray blasted him with a beam from the Atom suit and Oliver gave an angry speech and then took off, leaving Roy unconscious on a rooftop somewhere. Oliver's always been kind of a dick. It was one of the things Diaz was counting on all along.
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https://twitter.com/colindonnell/status/989534636647813121 I don't know if this is actual spoilers, but it's cool nonetheless
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Senerio posted:https://twitter.com/colindonnell/status/989534636647813121 They've been hanging out a lot lately.
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Ubik_Lives posted:
He may have not been a great motivational leader but Diggle's argument sounds really hollow considering the bad guys he was able to take down. He was a dick that got results, Diggle made it sound like he was a dick that just got a bunch of people killed for no reason. quote:I think the main difference now is not really that Ollie is any worse at being a team leader, but Rene is just terrible at being a team member, and Ollie doesn't know how to handle that. He needs to show some actual leadership, and not just possess the position as a default title. It's slightly contrived to have Rene being as obstinate and insubordinate as he is, but Ollie getting annoyed with everyone and cutting them off isn't really out-of-character for him. Yeah that's one of the things that super annoys me about The Outsiders and specifically Curtis. Rene flips on everyone and when he's invited back into the field he immediately goes off and does his own thing against orders and blows the mission and no one cares because Oliver was a jerk to them
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I liked this episode. And that preview for next week!
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Evil Laurel how are you scared of Diaz? This better be another con. Just scramble his brains like you did with Vigilante.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Evil Laurel how are you scared of Diaz? This better be another con. Just scramble his brains like you did with Vigilante. Diaz: things are going exactly according to plgad ljdf banllbnkaljk dfljkfljkd
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