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I've been modding these lovely games for over a decade... On one hand, Arthmoor has contributed a ton to the tools and mod efforts. On the other hand, what a shitlord.
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A Sometimes Food posted:Are there any other good follower mods other than Inigo for SE? Yennifer from Witcher 3, with her voice ripped from Witcher 3? She doesn’t talk too much and I don’t think it counts as waifu since it’s just ripped straight from W3 with CDPR’s approval.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:10
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The centrality of the unofficial patch and Arthmoor pulling this poo poo with it might be what finally breaks the power of mod author prerogative in the community just because no one wants to deal with this poo poo and does not have to when r/modpiracy exists.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:35
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GunnerJ posted:The centrality of the unofficial patch and Arthmoor pulling this poo poo with it might be what finally breaks the power of mod author prerogative in the community just because no one wants to deal with this poo poo and does not have to when r/modpiracy exists. We can only hope, as amusing as this drama is when it isn't directly affecting you I'm getting sick of coming back to a Bethesda game and finding mods gone or updated into a terrible state and yeesh. Eric the Mauve posted:Not creepy at all, just sappy. Hell, you might even enjoy it. Vilja is definitely worth a go if only for the chance to enjoy the spectacularly bad voice acting on the dozen or so non-Vilja characters the mod adds. The mod is huge and much more than just an extra follower, but everything in it is 100% optional and won’t get in your way if you don’t want to engage it. If you’re looking for a follower mod besides Inigo I highly recommend trying it out. Taintrunner posted:Yennifer from Witcher 3, with her voice ripped from Witcher 3? She doesn’t talk too much and I don’t think it counts as waifu since it’s just ripped straight from W3 with CDPR’s approval. Thanks, gonna try Vilja and I just found that Hoth had been uploaded for SE so gonna give him a go as well.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:44
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Haven't touched skyrim in awhile, just came to munch some popcorn and take a look at the latest arthmoor drama. So, trying to get inside his head for a moment, if I understand this situation right, would you say it's right that from his warped perspective since bethesda apparently doesn't support mods on VR skyrim despite people getting mods to work on it, arthmoor took it upon himself to be bethesda's champion and white knight and enforce their stance of no support for mods with extreme prejudice, in the hope bethesda will reward him and hire him finally?
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Apr 25, 2018 13:57
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My guess is that the idea of it being "unsupported" is just a pretext for what really matters to him: doing things his way or the highway so he can feel important and in control.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:06
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Gyshall posted:On one hand, Arthmoor has contributed a ton to the tools and mod efforts. He really hasn’t, a lot of the big stuff he just “maintains” while other people do all the work, and others like Open Cities and his towns are honestly just copy and paste jobs in the CK that any other shut in could have done.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:45
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Haven't touched skyrim in awhile, just came to munch some popcorn and take a look at the latest arthmoor drama. You give him far, far too much credit. The answer to why he is reacting this way is simple: Because he said so. Ol Arty is awful for the community and the fact that people haven't told him to gently caress off is quite amazing. Now though since he is standing in the way of Skyrim VR people are forced to tell him that.
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Apr 25, 2018 15:23
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Rainbow Knight posted:I just figured out that making, uh, impure(?) poisons with buffs on them last 15 times longer when used in conjunction with Ord's Lab Skeever perk. Do I need a lingering damage poison that lasts 22 minutes and fortifies the enemy's pickpocket skill? No*. Do I want a lingering damage poison that lasts 22 minutes and fortifies the enemy's pickpocket skill? Yes. I just need to figure out how to make it work in a practical way I could always plug my oldrim mod, Discreet Poisoned Perk. The baseline implementation of the poisoned perk makes you charged with a crime even if you reverse pickpocket a poison completely unseen, which completely defeats the purpose. At least this tries to break that crime chain.  Haven't uploaded it to Nexus because  , guess I could revisit it for SSE now that I'm down that rabbit hole again...
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Apr 25, 2018 15:45
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I really, seriously, and sincerely hate Arthmoor.
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Apr 25, 2018 16:02
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lol sure just take down the most widely-used and required mod for the game, why not
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Looks like the drama is over now for the most part. He put USSEP back online and somebody released a patch to USSEP specifically for SkyrimVR that rolls back the marriage/adoption parts of USSEP to the previous version. The thing is, releasing a targeted patch was what Arthmoor wanted people to do in the first place, but instead of being a normal person and saying that, he just kept being coy about it. The main thing the VR guys were worried about is the fact that the marriage and adoption scripts are apparently baked into your save game on a new game and cannot be changed, so you won't know that your save is permanently broken until you've put dozens of hours into it. And since SkyrimVR was released on PC only this month, there is a lot of activity around it with people buying it and setting up mods. I'm sure this whole drama could have been avoided if he just compromised and put the old version back online for a day or two, or if in the mod description he warned VR users about the issue and told them to look for a patch. But that isn't as fun as being antagonistic and making the entire rapidly growing VR community hate you, I guess.
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Apr 25, 2018 16:21
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Augus posted:lol sure just take down the most widely-used and required mod for the game, why not Seems like it will be hard to find anyone defending him this go around, curious if the nexus will back him up again though.
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Nalin posted:Looks like the drama is over now for the most part. He put USSEP back online and somebody released a patch to USSEP specifically for SkyrimVR that rolls back the marriage/adoption parts of USSEP to the previous version. Arthmoor did not want people to release targeted patches, he wanted to try to be self-important with his insecure 'ego'. Examine every single interaction he's ever had with the community, in any capacity and under any circumstance and he is always in his 'I am important' mode first, anything else (including modding the game) is secondary. Dude's like him exist everywhere he's just settled in modding an ancient PC game.
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Apr 25, 2018 16:27
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Seems like it will be hard to find anyone defending him this go around, curious if the nexus will back him up again though. They will yeah
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Apr 25, 2018 16:32
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Nah the hubbub has died off for now but it reminds people what a shithead Arthmoor is.
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Apr 25, 2018 16:38
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Arthmoor is a garbage. It's not a very hot take, but it needs to be said always.
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He still would be a massive tool, but at leadt would have had a halfway legitimate point if anything that happened actually violated the license he released the mod under. The fact that he acted this way when everyone else was acting in good faith and in compliance with the restrictions he himself placed on his own mod just really speaks volumes about him.
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Dameius posted:He still would be a massive tool, but at leadt would have had a halfway legitimate point if anything that happened actually violated the license he released the mod under. Actually, what speaks the most is that after people started to upload the older version of USSEP and cite his license, he went to his mod page and changed his license to read: Arthmoor posted:* You may upload unmodified versions of the patch to any website of your choosing so long as the documentation is retained as-is and the intended use of the mod is on a standard Skyrim Special Edition game. All credits must be properly maintained. Distribution for the intent of using it on an incompatible platform such as Skyrim VR is strictly forbidden.
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Apr 25, 2018 20:42
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What exactly does he have against VR?
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Which is a dickshit move but doesn't effect the old version people were wanting anyways so just even extra dickish. Deep cut, but basically Bobby's boss Jimmy from King of the Hill when he worked at the race track. No I'm the boss! Caphi posted:What exactly does he have against VR? From what he said that I saw, literally nothing beyond he doesn't have time or interest in it.
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Apr 25, 2018 21:01
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Because obviously if you change the conditions of the license the new rules retroactively apply to all previous versions of the game and anyone who broke these new rules at any point in time in the past are criminals.
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Apr 25, 2018 21:03
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I'm not sure how it could be "theft" when you're not paying for it in the first place
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Apr 25, 2018 21:04
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Aren't basically all mods owned by Bethesda since they use their assets?
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Apr 25, 2018 21:06
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How much more work actually even need to be done on the Unofficial Patch? It feels like I ask this every now and then but it still seems weird to me that they are still finding things to "fix."
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The point is Arty is an insecure moron, he'd probably rather have people think he's narcissistic instead but he's too dumb. It's why he lashes out so dramatically at poo poo like the Oblivion gates he put into Open Cities. Or the lovely voiced dragon outside of Whiterun. He has nothing else. Like I said before dudes like this exist by the thousands and they are really prominent in game communities, especially in the modding scenes. There is nothing special or outstanding about him, probably why he tries to drama it up every time he can. Keeps him 'special'.
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Is the information about Immersive Citizens in the OP still up to date? I've been using it in SkyrimVR because many people recommended it and nobody has said anything about performance issues yet. Is it really a big performance hog, kinda like grass mods? Since VR requires you to render two viewports at 90 frames/second, a lot of emphasis is placed on mods like "Optimized Texture for SSE" that can reduce VRAM and help framerates, and many popular SSE mods are avoided for being too impactful on performance. This thread seems to have the opposite opinion on the mod than everybody else. Is there anyone that is more familiar with it that can comment on it? Can you disable it cleanly, or will you need to scrub your savegame with ReSaver afterwards?
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KakerMix posted:Or the lovely voiced dragon outside of Whiterun. He has nothing else. Holy crap, that's what that was?? I was so confused when I heard it as I never remembered any dragons talking.
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Nalin posted:Holy crap, that's what that was?? I was so confused when I heard it as I never remembered any dragons talking. Same
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As a software engineering guy, the modding community’s attitude towards sharing has always puzzled me. In my circles, we love open source and sharing code. Not sure why some of that hasn’t rubbed off to the modding community. 
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Apr 25, 2018 21:19
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The last bastion to be a prima donna/diva to a captive audience without expending a whole ton of effort.
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Maybe because they fancy themselves auteurs, or because releasing free content for someone else’s explicitly for-profit game makes you weird about sharing. Or maybe this is just what gamers do when they gain the slightest bit of social credit or leverage over each other?
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Smol posted:As a software engineering guy, the modding community’s attitude towards sharing has always puzzled me. In my circles, we love open source and sharing code. Not sure why some of that hasn’t rubbed off to the modding community. i've literally just seen this kind of insane bullshit in Bethesda games and Minecraft. every single other community I've seen has been sane about this.
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Smol posted:As a software engineering guy, the modding community’s attitude towards sharing has always puzzled me. In my circles, we love open source and sharing code. Not sure why some of that hasn’t rubbed off to the modding community. there's some weird monetary incentives when it comes to bethesda games. I released a few cheat mods for Fallout 4 right after it came out (I was the first to release working esp mods actually!) and made easily a grand off of a tiny donation button that only shows up when you download the mod twice. About a million unique downloads in total these days. Something like the Unofficial Patch, with tens of millions of downloads and significantly larger in terms of content? I wouldn't be surprised if that were a major source of his income.
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He's just cargo-culting the state of being important and popular.
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CommonShore posted:He's just mantling the state of being important and popular.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i've literally just seen this kind of insane bullshit in Bethesda games and Minecraft. every single other community I've seen has been sane about this. Even in Minecraft you can't pull poo poo to -this- level because someone will just obsolete and replace you in the time you're gone. The only ancients still left are IC2 and BC, and BC isn't that popular because they removed compatibility with other power sources again. No clue why IC2 still has staying power. And unlike a Bethesda game where one mod can garner popularity to float on its own, if you aren't named Thaumcraft you -have- to be in a pack or nobody will play you outside of mod spotlights. No end-user in minecraft is willing to sit down and download everything individually at this point. It must be CHIM, honestly.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i've literally just seen this kind of insane bullshit in Bethesda games and Minecraft. every single other community I've seen has been sane about this. IIRC the mod author of one of the biggest Starbound mods (Frackin' Universe) is also a frothing psychopath. I believe he lifted some assets from a goon-made mod, then when was asked to either remove them or give credit he was screenshotted on discord talking about making up false pedophilia claims against said goon. Tiny men with tiny amounts of power and literally nothing else in their lives.
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