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MonsterEnvy posted:Speaking of Cain here is the cover of his new book. I was just about to post that so here's the Community site link instead with some extra closeups: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/04/25/brand-new-cover-art-revealed-apr25/ Still, new Cain novel. Hell yes.
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Cooked Auto posted:I was just about to post that so here's the Community site link instead with some extra closeups: Re-release the Cain mini you Emperor-forsaken bastards! 
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Apr 25, 2018 17:27
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Schadenboner posted:E: I've been reading the Flashman books which were listed somewhere as a big inspiration for Cain, and they are. Only with a lot more racism and raping? And I do "get" that Flashman is supposed to be a loving million years old and a remnant of his time and very explicitly not a hero and so forth, and I'm really enjoying the books, but goddamn. My rear end in a top hat is getting hella stronger from the clench I do each time he drops an n-bomb. The major difference between Flashman and Cain is that the latter is actually a hero. Flashman is funny precisely because it's a Victorian era Boy's Own Adventure style hero purely due to his own propaganda and luck. Flashman is genuinely a coward and reprobate who in no way deserves his reputation or anyone respect. Cain is a self effacing hero who can't live up to the Imperial ideal of a hero because he's actually a human. I know some people prefer Flashman because it's actually dark and they feel the Cain version is a little too earnest. If you're reading more than 1 of them though it's nice to keep it lighter.
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Apr 25, 2018 17:49
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Holy poo poo new Cain. I guess Sandy Mitchell got the memo that BL wasn't staffed by dicks anymore. Also, I hope he finishes the RPG tie in series.
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Apr 25, 2018 18:09
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bunnyofdoom posted:Also, I hope he finishes the RPG tie in series.  (I mean, he won't because the FFG RPGs are a closed product line and at least parts of it are apparently Officially Disavowed, but: )
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Apr 25, 2018 18:21
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Schadenboner posted:
Maybe he will make it for the new Wrath and Glory RPG.
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Apr 25, 2018 19:29
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MonsterEnvy posted:Speaking of Cain here is the cover of his new book. Whoa whoa whoa, we’re getting a new Cain book? What’s the ETA? Schadenboner posted:Re-release the Cain mini you Emperor-forsaken bastards! I’ve got that mini. I spoke to the manager of my local GW store and he said that after recent legal kerfuffles, the current GW policy is to not release minis unless there’s tabletop stat lines released for them simultaneously, and vice versa. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Apr 25, 2018 20:02
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Xenomrph posted:Whoa whoa whoa, we’re getting a new Cain book? What’s the ETA? Slap the store manager and tell him to tell GW to go be the change they want to see in the world.
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Apr 25, 2018 20:26
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Finished Cadia Stands. I enjoyed the fact I got to learn first hand what happened to usher in the current edition, I guess. It's hard to read IG from anyone other than Abnett.
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Apr 25, 2018 21:33
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I want to see Cain vs Eldar. Or some decently characterised Chaos Marines, 'cos that'd be funny. Just as long as it's not loving tyrannids again.
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Apr 25, 2018 22:09
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Pistol_Pete posted:I want to see Cain vs Eldar. Or some decently characterised Chaos Marines, 'cos that'd be funny. Cain vs Newcrons is at the top of my wishlist. I'd love to find out how Cain would react to instead of facing enigmatic metal warriors doing enigmatic things, came face to face to an Overlord that out-  even him.
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Apr 25, 2018 22:42
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Hell, the novels have mentioned him encountering Dark Eldar enough times that it's about drat time we got a Dark Eldar novel with him.
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Apr 25, 2018 23:53
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Groetgaffel posted:Cain vs Newcrons is at the top of my wishlist. Trazyn the Infinite.
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Apr 25, 2018 23:57
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Xenomrph posted:Trazyn the Infinite. How would this not end with Cain in a display case?
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Apr 26, 2018 01:58
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MariusLecter posted:How would this not end with Cain in a display case? He's much better conversation.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:11
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After a week Trayzan gets sick of Jurgen's BO after being fermented in the case and kicks them out.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:32
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Actually, given the situations Cain finds himself in on the regular, I would think Trayzn would assign a squad of Necrons with stasis chambers to follow him around. Why go hunting afield when you know someone who draws poo poo to him like a black hole? By the end of the first week Trayzn would get a report that they have two Chaos titans, a gargant, an Avatar of Khaine, and several Tyranid hive ships in stasis.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:45
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However, if I had known how much repetition there would be in the new Cain book, I would have run screaming the other way.
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Apr 26, 2018 05:37
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Hustlin Floh posted:However, if I had known how much repetition there would be in the new Cain book, I would have run screaming the other way. The previous novels didn't prepare you ?
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Apr 26, 2018 08:11
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Xenomrph posted:Whoa whoa whoa, we’re getting a new Cain book? What’s the ETA? None given but I assume end of the year at least. Dont think the book is even up on the BL site yet.
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Apr 26, 2018 14:41
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The cover is perfect. Excellent poo poo-eating grin. I'm guessing August as it's the end of the month it will be August as we're due to see another months worth of coming soon on the BL website.
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Apr 28, 2018 21:03
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Ended up picking up Palace of the Plague Lord from a used book store a few days ago and read through it. Some of the combat scenes get a little repetitive, but I thought it was a good look at Chaos all the way through, even though it's 11 years old by now.
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Apr 28, 2018 22:35
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Deptfordx posted:Honestly, if anyone doesn't enjoy a series where the protagonist fights a duel with psychic space Hitler that ends with him punting him over a cliff edge, lampshaded with a footnote from a third party Historian saying "No this sounds like ridiculous propaganda BS, but no really, the whole thing was caught on tape" then I don't know what to tell you. the annotations are my favorite part of the cain stories.
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Apr 28, 2018 22:51
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mllaneza posted:The previous novels didn't prepare you ? 
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Apr 29, 2018 02:20
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Just finished the two ADB Black Legion books. Any word on when the third will be released? I really enjoyed how they show Chaos Marines in a different light than I've usually viewed them, with a lot more depth and not just the faceless villans. Especially like how it fleshes out Abbadon. Really disliked his character in the HH series, but ADB does a good job writing him as a protagonist. Almost makes me want to start a Black Legion army at my LGS's upcoming escalation league.
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Mef989 posted:Just finished the two ADB Black Legion books. Any word on when the third will be released? I really enjoyed how they show Chaos Marines in a different light than I've usually viewed them, with a lot more depth and not just the faceless villans. Especially like how it fleshes out Abbadon. Really disliked his character in the HH series, but ADB does a good job writing him as a protagonist. Almost makes me want to start a Black Legion army at my LGS's upcoming escalation league. ADB's next book is an OG space marine chapter novel. No one knows what he has planned after that but he has said he is waiting to see what the studio does with Abbadon before committing to any more black legion books. I reckon we are about 2 years off seeing another one if we are lucky.
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The Black Legion books are frankly superb. Chaos Space Marines are consistently the best written and the best characterized, uh characters in 40k. Sure, the melancholia can get a bit samey sometimes, but it's still generally compelling and the weirdo extra chaos-y chaos space marines break it up a bit and keep things interesting. Also Imperial Space Marines are just so loving dull to read in the hands of most authors
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Arcsquad12 posted:Can't we get some fiction about pirate space marines getting all the booty? I like the red corsairs and I want more of them. Id like to see a book on the ashen claws mini pirate empire that was revealed in outer dark, the ashen claws numbers dwindling to merely "chapter" sized was used as an insult so its assumed there's quite a few of them around.
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e: Yup
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Apr 30, 2018 14:40
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The Iron Rose posted:The Black Legion books are frankly superb. Chaos Space Marines are consistently the best written and the best characterized, uh characters in 40k. Sure, the melancholia can get a bit samey sometimes, but it's still generally compelling and the weirdo extra chaos-y chaos space marines break it up a bit and keep things interesting. The loyalist Marines portrayed in the Horus Heresy books I've read haven't been too bad so far, but CSM definitely give the author more room for personality which just makes them more enjoyable than post-human boy scouts. Are 40k books worse about this than Horus Heresy ones? I haven't read any of those, but did just started Dark Imperium and I can already kind of tell that there is definitely a different tone to it.
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Apr 30, 2018 14:59
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Just read the Night Lords trilogy.
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AndyElusive posted:Just read the Night Lords trilogy. I liked the Corsairs appearance in the second book.
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Mef989 posted:The loyalist Marines portrayed in the Horus Heresy books I've read haven't been too bad so far, but CSM definitely give the author more room for personality which just makes them more enjoyable than post-human boy scouts. Are 40k books worse about this than Horus Heresy ones? I haven't read any of those, but did just started Dark Imperium and I can already kind of tell that there is definitely a different tone to it. Dark Imperium is not very good but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if HH-era Marines were more interesting in general than 40k Marines. Been awhile since I have read a Horus Heresy book but that lines up pretty well with what I remember.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I liked the Corsairs appearance in the second book. Blood Reaver is a ridiculous title.
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Apr 30, 2018 16:44
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The Iron Rose posted:Dark Imperium is not very good but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if HH-era Marines were more interesting in general than 40k Marines. Been awhile since I have read a Horus Heresy book but that lines up pretty well with what I remember. Isn't that a plot point though? 30k marines had personalities and character traits, whereas in 40k they're carefully conditioned space monks filling their day following dogmatic procedures and rituals to make sure they never get any ideas again? I know Abnett made the boy scoutiest of the boy scout chapters awesome, but that was still the 30k era where they were encouraged to think and have depth. Which is not to excuse the lovely writing that casts them as Generic Brother For Honour. It's still 40k afterall.
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Dog_Meat posted:Isn't that a plot point though? 30k marines had personalities and character traits, whereas in 40k they're carefully conditioned space monks filling their day following dogmatic procedures and rituals to make sure they never get any ideas again? I know Abnett made the boy scoutiest of the boy scout chapters awesome, but that was still the 30k era where they were encouraged to think and have depth. Is that supposed to be their thing now? I had never heard that but of fluff about their time being purposefully taken up so that they don't have the opportunity to think and fall to chaos. Makes sense I guess even if it makes for bad writting, although I thought that was the purpose of them splitting the legions into chapters. The Deathwatch Librarian in Eisenhorn didn't seem bad, but he was just a minor character.
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Mef989 posted:Is that supposed to be their thing now? I had never heard that but of fluff about their time being purposefully taken up so that they don't have the opportunity to think and fall to chaos. Makes sense I guess even if it makes for bad writting, although I thought that was the purpose of them splitting the legions into chapters. The Deathwatch Librarian in Eisenhorn didn't seem bad, but he was just a minor character. I recall a variety of sources comparing the Legiones vs Chapter Astartes as being wholly different beasts, especially based on their chapter or origin. Something about more intensive hypno-indoctrination and a higher rate of Chaplain-led sessions and involvement in chapter command was definitely noted as a comparison, but I also think that part of their rest period involves hypnotic reinforcement of loyalty for some of the Second+ founding chapters? Might have been in Iron Snakes, or Angels of Darkness.
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I'd also like to say that The Emperor's Gift, by ADB, makes the most boring of 40k chapters interesting. It's all about the writer.
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