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RC and Moon Pie posted:I saw ICP wrestle at a WCW house show. ICP was a good use of WCW's money, they have a proven track record of bringing in every juggalo within a 100 mile radius 
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RZApublican posted:ICP was a good use of WCW's money, they have a proven track record of bringing in every juggalo within a 100 mile radius Plus, ICP has legit wrestling chops. They've got surprisingly extensive pro wrasslin' experience, and as promoters, they're supposedly some of the least shady in the business. All told, hiring ICP to show up may have been one of the smarter moves WCW ever made. (I too can't believe I'm defending the Insane Clown Posse, but latter-day WCW was some kind of hosed up bizarro world where black is white, up is down, and nothing makes sense anymore.)
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Apr 26, 2018 05:41
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Icp would have been a smart move. A few grand for a segment and maybe do 10 minutes of clown raps in the ring after the show would bring in enough of those morons to be worth it in a lot of markets. At least compared to how much they were paying other acts that brought in nothing.
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Apr 26, 2018 07:14
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I mean, ICP will pay you $50 to roll in broken glass, but they will actually pay you the $50 and probably some free bong hits.
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Apr 26, 2018 14:51
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ICP didn't move business, they weren't any good in the ring (decent by non wrestler standards but they were used in matches regularly so the standard is different) and were taking TV time away from much better wrestlers. In 99 WCW still had a stacked roster. They used them, it didn't work. Fine. Then they brought them back and it didn't work again!
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Apr 26, 2018 15:26
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did Dylan Hales ever say if they were better than HHH though
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Apr 26, 2018 15:42
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Halloween Jack posted:I mean, ICP will pay you $50 to roll in broken glass, but they will actually pay you the $50 and probably some free bong hits. Icp is actually ridiculously generous on their payouts, no joke.
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Apr 26, 2018 16:20
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ICP's issue is false advertising but I've heard that more on the musical act side of things.
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Apr 26, 2018 17:14
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MassRafTer posted:ICP didn't move business, they weren't any good in the ring (decent by non wrestler standards but they were used in matches regularly so the standard is different) and were taking TV time away from much better wrestlers. In 99 WCW still had a stacked roster. They used them, it didn't work. Fine. Then they brought them back and it didn't work again! I'm pretty sure Mike Awesome killed one of them
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Apr 26, 2018 17:54
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stab posted:Icp is actually ridiculously generous on their payouts, no joke.
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Apr 26, 2018 17:58
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Seemed like every wrestling show in the late 90's had at least one hatchet man sign in the crowd. ICP's former companion act Twiztid hosted their own little convention earlier this year where I almost literally walked into Hall and Nash. The guy who plays Jason Voorhees was also there.
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Apr 26, 2018 18:14
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exploded mummy posted:I'm pretty sure Mike Awesome killed one of them There was a spot where Mike Awesome (doing his Fat Chick Thriller 70s guy gimmick) was brawling with one of the ICP on top of his stupid bus and he awesome bombed the ICP guy on the roof. Mike then looked very pleased with himself until the ICP guy started sliding off the bus and he basically went "oh poo poo!" and tried to grab him before he went off.
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Apr 26, 2018 18:38
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Open Marriage Night posted:Seemed like every wrestling show in the late 90's had at least one hatchet man sign in the crowd. Kane Hodder or one of the other, lesser Jasons?
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Apr 26, 2018 19:10
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Randaconda posted:Kane Hodder or one of the other, lesser Jasons? Definitely Hodder. He has a hatchet man tattoo, but with a machete instead. I’m also surprised to hear that ICP didn’t do anything for business. They were insanely over at Summerslam ‘98 at the Garden. Unless it was because of all the South Park merchandise the Oddities were wearing.
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Apr 26, 2018 20:21
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Randaconda posted:Kane Hodder or one of the other, lesser Jasons? Hodder's a hardcore Juggalo, if someone talks about a Jason involved with ICP it's probably Hodder e: also, yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised by that because you'd think the overlap between Attitude Era marks and people who were juggalos in the late 90s would be pretty close to a circle.
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Apr 26, 2018 20:49
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I should say I have no idea how ICP impacted WWF business, I'm just talking about WCW. Suffice to say business did not increase in the late summer of 99 or 2000. Given how short their WWE run was I'd guess they didn't make much of a difference.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:e: also, yeah, I'm actually kind of surprised by that because you'd think the overlap between Attitude Era marks and people who were juggalos in the late 90s would be pretty close to a circle. Neither WWF nor WCW sold methamphetamine, so no there was not a profit to be had from Juggalos.
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Apr 26, 2018 22:04
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Two Beans posted:Neither WWF nor WCW sold methamphetamine, so no there was not a profit to be had from Juggalos. Jeff Hardy and Sean Waltman were both employed by WWF at this time.
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Apr 26, 2018 23:16
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MrBling posted:There was a spot where Mike Awesome (doing his Fat Chick Thriller 70s guy gimmick) was brawling with one of the ICP on top of his stupid bus and he awesome bombed the ICP guy on the roof. Mike then looked very pleased with himself until the ICP guy started sliding off the bus and he basically went "oh poo poo!" and tried to grab him before he went off. you think the fat chick thriller would be able to find common ground with the icp
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Apr 27, 2018 03:39
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Endorph posted:you think the fat chick thriller would be able to find common ground with the icp it was a very dumb feud.
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Apr 27, 2018 14:24
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https://zippy.gfycat.com/QuarterlyValuableEquestrian.mp4
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Apr 27, 2018 15:23
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Jimmy Hart's delayed reaction is the best. "No injuries, no broken bones... YAY HULK!"
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Apr 27, 2018 15:24
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I like how he has to hop a few times to stop from falling over
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Apr 27, 2018 15:26
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Nah, he's just moving to the outside to be at the right angle for the kick.
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Apr 27, 2018 15:34
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I flipped on a random episode of Nitro from 1997 and it kept my attention the whole show, so I ended up watching two more (It was the two episodes before the 3 hour debut + the first 3 hour show) Segments flow so well into the next, there's not much wasted time anywhere on the show. Everyone had their unique styles and not the uniform "WWE Style" even the cruiserweights wrestle now if they're on RAW. If there's an unimportant match between people they want to get screen time, they'll go between calling the action in the match and talking about important stories. There's also stories top to bottom of the shows, and not just the main event. They make pretty good use of "jobbers" too, like the Hangmen showed up to wrestle Norton and Bagwell but they put over that these guys have been a big deal in certain territories. It wasn't a super competitive match, but it wasn't a total squash either. I wish RAW and Smackdown were this easy to watch, the rosters are easily better than the average on a 97 Nitro, but everyone's utilized much better. The only issue I'd take is the TV and Cruiserweight titles at this time were just sort of hot-shotted around for no particular reason
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The general rule from about 97-99 is that the undercard for WCW is great and the main events are shitshows and the inverse is true of the WWF. Then after that point, the undercard from WCW began trickling into the WWF so WCW was left with poo poo top-to-bottom. It was common in my neck of the woods for folks to religiously watch the 1.5 hour or so of Nitro, occasionally checking the angles on RAW, and then flipping over for the rest of the night once Hogan, Piper, Nash, & Co. started popping up on screen.
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I think it was about late '98 when Nitro as a show started to decline. Rest of the year, yeah they're making bad long-term decisions, but it's still a fun program (albeit too long at three hours.) The same is true of the show when it started- the PPVs in late 95 and early 96 were mostly garbage because the major story was "Hulk Hogan is the best and strongest forever", but Nitro itself has a lot of good workers and a great pace and feel. If nothing else I'll always credit Bischoff for coming up with a winning TV formula (even if he started to forget it after a few years.)
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Shiki Dan posted:It was common in my neck of the woods for folks to religiously watch the 1.5 hour or so of Nitro, occasionally checking the angles on RAW, and then flipping over for the rest of the night once Hogan, Piper, Nash, & Co. started popping up on screen. Same here. And I was one of the many who flipped from Nitro to watch Foley win the title.
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Apr 27, 2018 20:52
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D.N. Nation posted:Same here. And I was one of the many who flipped from Nitro to watch Foley win the title. yeah, I'd usually watch the first hour of Nitro because Indiana didn't adhere to DST so USA and TNT would be an hour off to each other. I got to see LWO and other good workrate matches and then dip over to whatever bra and panty mudfestival Russo wrote up that week for RAW.
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I was also one of those people, and as WCW got worse and worse I started just watching Raw more and more. Not that there wasn't some stuff already on the WWF midcard that I liked, and some stuff in the main event that I hated. I was a huge Undertaker mark but the Corporate Ministry stuff could get really repetitive.
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May 1, 2018 14:12
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its really hard to keep things fresh when nearly all the tag teams and IC contenders are part of the same faction.
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ICP had a funny story in an interview where Chris Benoit was shooting an interview or something so there a sign on the door saying keep out/stay quiet and ICP and some other wrestler were standing outside of it and the wrestler knocked on the door and he and Shaggy ran off and J stayed and Benoit roared out of the room and started screaming in J's face, spit flying, and J was scared to death.
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May 2, 2018 06:51
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oldpainless posted:ICP had a funny story in an interview where Chris Benoit was shooting an interview or something so there a sign on the door saying keep out/stay quiet and ICP and some other wrestler were standing outside of it and the wrestler knocked on the door and he and Shaggy ran off and J stayed and Benoit roared out of the room and started screaming in J's face, spit flying, and J was scared to death. is the joke that chris benoit had such severe brain damage it caused him to commit murder in a fit of rage, is that why the story is funny
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May 2, 2018 06:57
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corn in the bible posted:is the joke that chris benoit had such severe brain damage it caused him to commit murder in a fit of rage, is that why the story is funny Kevin Sullivan framed him
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May 2, 2018 07:13
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Bobby Heenan was unmistakably drunk by the end of Hog Wild 96. 
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May 2, 2018 10:57
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corn in the bible posted:is the joke that chris benoit had such severe brain damage it caused him to commit murder in a fit of rage, is that why the story is funny No it isn’t and I’m sorry for whatever has happened to make you this way
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oldpainless posted:ICP had a funny story in an interview where Chris Benoit was shooting an interview or something so there a sign on the door saying keep out/stay quiet and ICP and some other wrestler were standing outside of it and the wrestler knocked on the door and he and Shaggy ran off and J stayed and Benoit roared out of the room and started screaming in J's face, spit flying, and J was scared to death. Vampiro
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Animal-Mother posted:Bobby Heenan was unmistakably drunk by the end of Hog Wild 96.  I would definitely be flasking it if I had to hang out with these two for three hours.
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May 2, 2018 15:53
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That's the most Florida Man Dusty could possibly look without being covered in meth
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Endless Mike posted:That's the most Florida Man Dusty could possibly look without being covered in meth Florida still mourns the Dream 
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