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Paladinus posted:In any case, legally the boy is still alive. Legally the doctors should be doing exactly what they are doing
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Legal Schmegal it's an affront to God's will
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Kazak posted:Legal Schmegal it's an affront to God's will God can fix the baby if He wants. Nobody's stopping Him.
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He's just a little sick, guys, God will take care of him just have some faith.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:00
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SENTIENT HOUSEMEAT posted:In some ways I don't really see it as his fault. He's young, grieving and hugely in denial about what's happening and he's been utterly pounced on by raving zealots. From my understanding, that was done on the "legal advice" of a man called Pavel Stroilov, who isn't even a lawyer. A lot of this poo poo wouldn't have happened had the vultures not swooped in. this. he is a dumb kid who had a kid young and this awful poo poo happened. he got surrounded by "prolife" evangelical assholes who are using this case to push their various insane bullshit and now they have twisted his grief stricken mind inside out. Facebook Aunt posted:They can still do that, just not with the respirator. They aren't going to inject him with poison, just take away the machine that is forcing him to breathe. He's still free to breathe by himself for as long as he wants. Long term use of a respirator is really unhealthy and leads to muscle atrophy and further disability. How long will he be able to breathe on his own? No one knows. Could be minutes, could be years. as someone who has been on a Medical ventilator a couple times through there life. its awful. in my opinion, its not a life worth living.
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Life is precious; as Mother Teresa believed, suffering is just a part of life and it is better to suffer eternally than die.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:05
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mother teresa did and believed in some hosed up poo poo
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Apr 26, 2018 21:08
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i dont want THE GOVERNMENT having power over LIFE OR DEATH *is ardent supporter of the death penalty*
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Apr 26, 2018 21:12
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Jose Mengelez posted:i dont want THE GOVERNMENT having power over LIFE OR DEATH *is ardent supporter of the death penalty* Does the father support death penalty? I hope he changes his mind after this thing is over.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:20
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Can't the medical industry just put their effort towards the ability to eventually grow a clone in a vat? That way, this malformed kid can get a new brain, and I can graft an extra butthole onto my chest. That way, when people tell me to "go gently caress myself", I can lift up my shirt, crouch up and show them I'm following through.
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Rad-daddio posted:Can't the medical industry just put their effort towards the ability to eventually grow a clone in a vat? That way, this malformed kid can get a new brain, and I can graft an extra butthole onto my chest. That way, when people tell me to "go gently caress myself", I can lift up my shirt, crouch up and show them I'm following through. Do you already have an extra penis on your hand?
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Apr 26, 2018 21:21
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Paladinus posted:In any case, legally the boy is still alive. On the other hand I believe that the law of the United Kingdom overrides that of GBS post.    https://www.nhsinform.scot/illnesses-and-conditions/brain-nerves-and-spinal-cord/brain-stem-death#introduction A troubling precedent.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:26
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turn off the TV posted:On the other hand I believe that the law of the United Kingdom overrides that of GBS post. So the hospital agreed to arrange palliative care for a dead person? Was the child pronounced dead officially in any way? Again, I'm far from being an expert on human brain, but isn't brain stem of this child is still intact (partially functioning?), and that's why he's still considered to be alive? Paladinus fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 21:32
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Paladinus posted:Do you already have an extra penis on your hand? Well, yes but it's just my usual single penis. The doctors had to graft it to my wrist to keep it alive while they rebuild my pelvis and taint. I was involved in a complicated and painful accident that involved: 1. an anvil 2. 65 feet of galvanized chain 3. a snowmobile 4. a bowling ball 5. a low dollar knock off katana blade 6. a leaf spring from a 1991 Chevy S-10 The docs say I should make a full recovery, but I'll have to carry a card to show where the metal plates are if I ever try to fly again. Although, once DHS got involved after the accident, I'm pretty sure I ended up on the no fly list.
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Rad-daddio posted:Well, yes but it's just my usual single penis. The doctors had to graft it to my wrist to keep it alive while they rebuild my pelvis and taint. I was involved in a complicated and painful accident that involved: You picked a fight with John McAffee.
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Apr 26, 2018 21:43
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:You picked a fight with John McAffee. to be fair, he was sleeping with four girls at once. I should've known better than to disturb him.
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Rad-daddio posted:Well, yes but it's just my usual single penis. The doctors had to graft it to my wrist
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Apr 26, 2018 21:46
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Paladinus posted:So the hospital agreed to arrange palliative care for a dead person? Letting his body die is palliative care. Paladinus posted:Was the child pronounced dead officially in any way? Sort of, back in February. Criteria A:   Criteria B:  Criteria C:  and the ultimate ruling:  Paladinus posted:Again, I'm far from being an expert on human brain, but isn't brain stem of this child is still intact (partially functioning?), and that's why he's still considered to be alive? AFAIK parts of the brainstem can be intact but nonfunctional. His heart is continuing to beat, but he can't breathe on his own. That and the idea that some kind of cure will be discovered are probably the objections that his parents are using to keep his case in the courts.
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muy bien
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Paladinus posted:Does the father support death penalty? I hope he changes his mind after this thing is over. i dont think the UK has a death penalty. turn off the TV posted:Letting his body die is palliative care. so how much of his brain is left. i assume most of it but the stem are stew now.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i dont think the UK has a death penalty. From the sounds of https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/alder-hey-v-evans.pdf, at this point probably everything.
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They should get Mike Huckabee to diagnose him, he could tell Terry Schaivo was 100% fine.
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The chuds are waking up https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/989341679214841856 https://twitter.com/scrowder/status/989502298169655297 https://twitter.com/DLoesch/status/989484963291631616 https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/989508077207646209 Oh and a thundering moron who doesn't know whats going on but still had to stick his oar in the water anyway https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/989448655026442240
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happyhippy posted:They should get Mike Huckabee to diagnose him, he could tell Terry Schaivo was 100% fine. https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/988789653556822018
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Apr 26, 2018 22:30
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Hillary 2020 posted:The chuds are waking up tbf ben shapiro has good reason to be concerned about how we treat brain damaged toddlers
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Hillary 2020 posted:Oh and a thundering moron who doesn't know whats going on but still had to stick his oar in the water anyway FU Piers. Not surprised he allies with a brain stem. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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lol they didn't even bother cropping out the adult hand holding the infant's arm in prime hug photo op position
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:FU Piers. Not surprised he allies with a brain stem. Everyone wants him to die soon, too.
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I can't believe we're still having massive arguments over the treatment of inanimate objects
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turn off the TV posted:Letting his body die is palliative care. Thanks for an informative post. I'm still a bit lost on the whole alive/dead thing, though. It's hard for me to reconcile that care is administered to a body that is still alive, but the person is already dead. It says in 61 that 'Alfie can not sustain life on his own', so maybe it's some legal grey area, but I think it's reasonable to say the child is not officially dead and his death certificate won't be dated February of this year. Or will it?
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Paladinus posted:Will the child not grow? Again, don't know which parts of the brain he misses at this point. But he can't make an informed decision to "practice it". You're suggesting hijacking his very existence for what is effectively pro-life performance art. What you've put forward is tantamount to a deeply hosed up real life version of a utilitarian thought experiment along the lines of "torture this one child so that many might feel better about their own existence". It doesn't matter to the courts how many people might see the human pot plant and think "how life affirming!", it's not in the best interests of the child.
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Its not really torture if the child has no brain, brain death means there is no child, its a non child. They do the same thing (keeping autonomic function to an otherwise dead patient) to people who suffer massive head trauma in order to keep their organs fresh for transplantation sometimes, that dosn't raise eyebrows though because screaming pro-life harpies don't care about grownups even if said grownups had a life before their brains got turned to mush in a motorbike accident or whatnot.
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spog posted:70% of his brain is dead. Just keep him away from the mods.
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womb with a view posted:lol they didn't even bother cropping out the adult hand holding the infant's arm in prime hug photo op position At least someone advised them not to use a stapler.
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Wait so is this guy for or against unplugging him from life support to die when he dies? Paladinus posted:Thanks for an informative post. I'm still a bit lost on the whole alive/dead thing, though. It's hard for me to reconcile that care is administered to a body that is still alive, but the person is already dead. It says in 61 that 'Alfie can not sustain life on his own', so maybe it's some legal grey area, but I think it's reasonable to say the child is not officially dead and his death certificate won't be dated February of this year. Or will it? It's palliative care, though. That's largely making death as painless as possible and not preventing death. In the court's ruling that is removing the ventilator in order to allow the body to die.
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turn off the TV posted:Wait so is this guy for or against unplugging him from life support to die when he dies? Huckabee is only for Huckabee, getting noticed and money. Notice no rich fucks offering to pay for the kid's care. Just PR points.
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happyhippy posted:Huckabee is only for Huckabee, getting noticed and money. That and if they paid for the kid's care then they wouldn't get to drum up more outrage when his corpse stops breathing They're circling this kid like vultures right now
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turn off the TV posted:It's palliative care, though. That's largely making death as painless as possible and not preventing death. In the court's ruling that is removing the ventilator in order to allow the body to die. I understand what palliative care is, but if the child is already dead, there is no need to make his death painless. From that I can only conclude that the child is not officially dead.
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