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F-35B lives up to the thread title by making an emergency landing Tsuiki Air Base in Fukuoka: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180424_27/Cyrano4747 posted:Yes, this is correct.
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Proper Kerni ng posted:F-35B lives up to the thread title by making an emergency landing Tsuiki Air Base in Fukuoka: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20180424_27/ " The ministry says the jet may have had problems involving part of its body during flight. No injuries or damage have been reported. " Somebody forgot to button up an inspection panel on the topside of the jet pre-flight is my completely uneducated guess (I've seen this happen before). Having seen what happens when someone forgets to button up a panel before flight, the airframe is probably a writeoff due to forces being applied to poo poo that should not have force applied to them.
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There's a story in "Bye, Bye Baby" where a Tomcat crew got waylaid on Japan and an access panel wouldn't latch closed, so the RIO was just whaling on the thing with his boot, with all the Japanese crew chiefs staring at them slack-jawed in awe and horror, since according to the guy telling the story "their planes were so clean you could eat off of them."
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Apr 25, 2018 01:40
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Cyrano4747 posted:It is also correct that young, ideologically driven men will legit volunteer for some crazy dangerous stuff. Maybe they're standing next to someone who "volunteered," but its a bit much to assume that all volunteers are the unwilling dupes of their superiors. The Shackleton expedition to the antarctic is legendary for its newspaper ad: "Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success." Sadly it's probably a bit too legendary; Wiki says nobody's been able to find contemporary evidence of it. Regardless, thousands of comfortable civilians knew the dangers and still jumped at the chance. (The expedition did not go well and by all accounts would not have been my idea of a fun trip. But everyone did make it back home - eventually.)
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If your sea faring history hard-on is still flailing about, I recommend "Taboo." You get to see the East India Company as the bad guys they basically were, it's fun.
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There was a report just put out that correlated social instability and violent expansionism with disposable and surplus young men. Early modern Europe must have existed somewhere on that scale to find people willing to sail halfway around the world to notorious fever swamps for the chance at riches and fame.
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Proper Kerni ng posted:, some guys suck dick for bus fare and then walk home 
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Captain von Trapp posted:The Shackleton expedition to the antarctic is legendary for its newspaper ad: "Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success." Well, 3 people in the Ross Sea Party (the supply/support group that was supposed to lay caches from the Ross Sea back to the South Pole and rendezvous with the Shackleton expedition there) died after the main expedition failed to land, so they didn't all make it home. The party did manage to lay all the caches even though the main expedition never made it ashore. Really everything about how Shackleton managed to rescue the expedition is pretty on par with some of the most heroic poo poo you can read about in history. Dude climbed over South Georgia island to get to the settlement and return with a rescue ship with nothing but some screws pushed into his boots to make makeshift ice boots, 50 feet of frayed rope, and a carpenter's adze. poo poo the guy even managed to convince most of his original crew, who had not gotten paid for the failure of the Endurance expedition, to come with him on the Shackleton-Rowett expedition. Truthfully he didn't need to do much convincing, because he was pretty much golden in the crew's eyes after salvaging the previous expedition, they figured no matter what went wrong, Shackleton would get them home again. orange juche fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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Apr 25, 2018 05:28
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orange juche posted:Well, 3 people in the Ross Sea Party (the supply/support group that was supposed to lay caches from the Ross Sea back to the South Pole and rendezvous with the Shackleton expedition there) died after the main expedition failed to land, so they didn't all make it home. The party did manage to lay all the caches even though the main expedition never made it ashore. If you haven’t read this New Yorker piece you should: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/02/12/the-white-darkness
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''On 24 May 2001, a Cessna 152 violated Israeli airspace and was shot down by an Israeli AH-64 Apache. Estephan Nicolian, a Lebanese student pilot, was shot down after ignoring repeated warnings by Israeli ATC to turn back. This is the only known operational air-to-air kill using an AGM-114 Hellfire missile'' http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/25/world/on-tense-day-israelis-down-civilian-plane-from-lebanon.html It's old news, but still, found by googling if Hellfires can be used against aircraft. Answer is yes.
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Can’t believe vaha hasn’t noticed me spamming air defense uses of hellfires in tests.
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Vahakyla posted:''On 24 May 2001, a Cessna 152 violated Israeli airspace and was shot down by an Israeli AH-64 Apache. Estephan Nicolian, a Lebanese student pilot, was shot down after ignoring repeated warnings by Israeli ATC to turn back. This is the only known operational air-to-air kill using an AGM-114 Hellfire missile'' At mach 1.3 and a 5 mi max range (wikipedia) they don't seem fast enough to use against anything with any speed. Even then I would think the target would have to be well within the engagement envelop. e: the F&F seeker though should be good for pretty much any target.
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mlmp08 posted:Can’t believe vaha hasn’t noticed me spamming air defense uses of hellfires in tests. 
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Reposting just for how funny the HEAT jet is in the context of hitting these little targets is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwar09qcUAc
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mlmp08 posted:Reposting just for how funny the HEAT jet is in the context of hitting these little targets is. I don't understand why it even has to be HEAT at this point. Pictured in both: an airplane  
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Apr 25, 2018 12:55
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Leaving the HEAT onboard is cheaper and easier than reworking the existing missiles to remove it. Also retains extra surface-to-surface capability.
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hellfire's biggest limitation is it is like the slow retard cousin of missiles. its accuracy is exceptional and it is very, very easy to integrate. so, it is fine against low slow drones (WHICH IS USEFUL) but any modern combat jet would laugh at it.
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mlmp08 posted:Reposting just for how funny the HEAT jet is in the context of hitting these little targets is. The repetitive music and the drop before each shot makes me half expect to them to engage increasingly absurd targets as part of a gag. Will they shoot at this? Absolutely.
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bewbies posted:hellfire's biggest limitation is it is like the slow retard cousin of missiles. its accuracy is exceptional and it is very, very easy to integrate. Oh yeah? Not if that jet is parked on the tarmac and your air defense vehicle sneaks up on it!
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Vahakyla posted:I don't understand why it even has to be HEAT at this point. It's already there, why change it? This reminded me of the LOSAT effect. No better kill than overkill..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiojguQy8pI Dante80 fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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SimonCat posted:Redacted for OPSEC. Obviously I don't want anyone getting their careers in jeopardy or anything like that but I do wanna mention that a big reason why I like this thread is the knowledge that the posters here are actually knowledgeable while also occasionally provides a chuckle when you notice whenever someone really wants to correct someone but can't. 
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Dante80 posted:It's already there, why change it? I can't stop giggling because that stupid missle firing sounds like something out of Looney Toons.
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I'm sure this has been posted before but who cares - it's 20 minutes of '63 planes shooting the poo poo out of targets with rockets, bombs, missiles, and our special sticky friend Mr. Napalm! At around 15 minutes look for the M-M-MULTIKILL bomb run! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig4XOziHC2Q
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Bipartisan bill to ban F-35 sales to Turkey was introduced in the Senate today. Long overdue IMO http://thehill.com/policy/defense/385057-senators-look-to-block-f-35-delivery-to-turkey-over-imprisoned-american-pastor I feel like the party that starts here can only end with Turkey leaving NATO, ultimately. A coworker of mine who worked in intel told me that when he was in the military they were instructed to avoid sharing anything with the Turks...another acquaintance of mine at the State Department says that no one at State is under any illusions about our relationship with them, though they are required by policy to refer to Turkey as "our NATO ally Turkey" And at work, we've been told that if we find ourselves in Turkey we're not allowed to attempt to VPN into the corporate network and any such attempts will be blocked. The other countries on that block list? Russia, China, Iran, North Korea, etc... Hauldren Collider fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Apr 27, 2018 |
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Doesn't Turkey have F-35 parts depots/manufacturing plants and also a poo poo ton of Cold War era NATO infrastructure including chemical, biological and nuclear material?
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I don't see much motivation on their end to unilaterally withdraw. We'd probably have to kick them out, and I'm not sure I see sufficient realpolitik motivation there either. That said, strategic location notwithstanding, I'm not at all sure they're a net positive to the alliance.
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mlmp08 posted:Reposting just for how funny the HEAT jet is in the context of hitting these little targets is. I was so disappointed the Hummer wasn't flying also
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Erdogan isn't going to make the step of leaving NATO. Just like he keeps pretending to want full membership in the EU. He wants to have the door slammed in his face so as to be able to play the victim of the West's anti-Turk racism to his domestic audience. He's already making a lot of speeches about how "Turkey can't trust her strategic partners" but if he were the one to make the move out, he'd lose a big PR point. So he's just gonna be more and more obnoxious until he can get himself kicked out.
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If the nations of NATO aren’t willing to take a bullet for Turkey, Turkey shouldn’t be in the alliance.
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Platystemon posted:If the nations of NATO aren’t willing to take a bullet for Turkey, Turkey shouldn’t be in the alliance. The problem is that for a while now Turkey hasn't been willing to do the same.
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Eh, Turkey’s location is pretty ideal for any thing in the region. Probably better to just wait it out.
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Murgos posted:Eh, Turkey’s location is pretty ideal for any thing in the region. Probably better to just wait it out. Turkey's location is useful to them but to any honest observer it's clear it's no longer useful to us, because their interests don't align with ours anymore and they're not going to honor their obligations.
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Mortabis posted:Turkey's location is useful to them but to any honest observer it's clear it's no longer useful to us, because their interests don't align with ours anymore and they're not going to honor their obligations. NATO is its own discussion but the idea that we’ve no use for Turkish land, air, and sea access is objectively wrong.
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http://freebeacon.com/national-security/mattis-russian-mercenaries-syria-ordered-annihilation/quote:Secretary of Defense James Mattis explained Thursday why he directed a strike that reportedly killed hundreds of Russian mercenaries in Syria back in February. Well then.
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^Well then indeed.  mlmp08 posted:NATO is its own discussion but the idea that we’ve no use for Turkish land, air, and sea access is objectively wrong. It's not that so much as "we don't have the necessary access and security" in Turkey anyway.
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Turkey has also gone back and forth with its leadership before, and Erdogan does have some real opposition, so I imagine a lot of NATO members would prefer to just wait it out and see if the situation resolves itself.
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Turkey is sufficiently geographically valuable that short of an invasion of Europe it's hard to imagine them being kicked out of NATO rather than being awkwardly tolerated and ignored as best as possible a'la Saudi Arabia.
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Weird. V V V quote:Reuben F Johnson, Berlin - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly I had no idea the Chinese were playing with those things.
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Phanatic posted:http://freebeacon.com/national-security/mattis-russian-mercenaries-syria-ordered-annihilation/ Also for some reason I read that URL as starting with "free bacon"
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