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A lot of marketing these days is done by word of mouth, especially word of mouth coming from major “influencers” for lack of a better word. If Jason Morningstar or Ken Hite or Fred Hicks talks about your game on social media, then you’re more likely to get some eyes on your product. Even more so if one of those mid-tier companies decides to publish your work. However, a lot of the semi-formal business connections are formed in an informal context, largely at conventions. A lot of real business, or at least the foundation for it, happens at con bars, and despite the best efforts of con organizers (those that try at least), it can be hard for marginalized people to break through the barriers there. Having a source to aggregate and curate materials from marginalized folks and having that beamed out to buyers and to influencers is a major marketing boon. The key is that folks need to tune into that source, but with enough signal boosting it’d be a lot easier to accomplish. Also: lol at the gator and his “all I care about is quality” like gently caress off dude, there’s major systematic barriers in place for marginalized developers and designers and if you can’t recognize that then you got your head up your rear end
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quote:I suppose at least one approach would be to do something like the indie music label/publishing house routes of yore, and try to set up a collective oriented specifically towards publishing and promoting more diverse materials. Getting the company name up as one of the "big ones" on drivethru might help. At least, assuming the whole thing doesn't implode; my experience with some of those indie groups back in the 90s (for punk music and rabble lit anyway) was that they were notoriously volatile. New Agenda Publishing is already starting something like that.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:11
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Desiden posted:I suppose at least one approach would be to do something like the indie music label/publishing house routes of yore, and try to set up a collective oriented specifically towards publishing and promoting more diverse materials. Getting the company name up as one of the "big ones" on drivethru might help. At least, assuming the whole thing doesn't implode; my experience with some of those indie groups back in the 90s (for punk music and rabble lit anyway) was that they were notoriously volatile. Offhand, this is exactly what Indie Press Revolution is.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:13
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potatocubed posted:New Agenda Publishing is already starting something like that. I’m not familiar with the others, but Misha is really great. I’m definitely going to be keeping an eye on this group.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:14
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Ah, good to hear its going on. I was loosely aware of Indie Press Revolution, but had thought it was more just a general indie game house. Hadn't heard about the other, but I'll check them out too.
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Apr 25, 2018 13:18
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Mors Rattus posted:Side note, if you think the big issue with Myfarog is 'it's not very good' as opposed to 'it is written by a literal Nazi and murderer' you got some problems. I actually think a man who has de facto stabbed someone to death and has a deep knowledge of Paganistic Asatru in theory is the best person to write a Viking TRPG from personal experience, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case with MyFarog.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:14
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Plutonis posted:I actually think a man who has de facto stabbed someone to death and has a deep knowledge of Paganistic Asatru in theory is the best person to write a Viking TRPG from personal experience, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case with MyFarog. See, you'd think that, but it turns out that racist Nazis are actually incredibly bad at Norse paganism and don't know the lore because they keep twisting it to try and fit their beliefs! also, they're nazis
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Apr 25, 2018 14:17
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Varg also set fire to a church like the raiders of Lindesfarne spent a decade inside the tough life of the Norwegian Prison system, one of the most brutal in the planet, which turned him into a hardened man, perhaps even as rugged as Ragnar Lothbrok himself. The man is a modern Viking, and Nazi or not I trust him to know Vikingness. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 25, 2018 14:24
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Plutonis posted:Varg also set fire to a church like the raiders of Lindesfarne spent a decade inside the tough life of the Norwegian Prison system, one of the most brutal in the planet, which turned him into a hardened man, perhaps even as rugged as Ragnar Lothbrok himself. The man is a modern Viking, and Nazi or not I trust him to know Vikingness. lol
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Apr 25, 2018 14:27
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Whole lotta nazis gonna be horrified when they rock up at Valhalla's gate only to find that most of the dudes inducted there over the last 40 years are African, Asian or Middle Eastern, and Odin only had 'em brought over so he could laugh at them for being little bitches.
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Apr 25, 2018 14:40
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Loomer posted:Whole lotta nazis gonna be horrified when they rock up at Valhalla's gate only to find that most of the dudes inducted there over the last 40 years are African, Asian or Middle Eastern, and Odin only had 'em brought over so he could laugh at them for being little bitches. Meanwhile inside the guys who died in the fighting of the last decades: "Hey when I said I wanted an eternity with 40 virgins I didn't mean my former squadmates."
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Apr 25, 2018 14:58
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Seems harsh but fair.Desiden posted:So, encouraging diversity in larger RPG companies is a straightforward (though not easy) approach. Same with something like the newsletter, in essentially helping with visibility of more independent games. But how do you facilitate "access to distribution tools", in this context? That seems like for our weird little nerd hobby to be pretty critical, given the importance of the kickstarter/POD/pdf approach to sales these days, but I'm not sure what would be helpful in this frame. Also obviously having a proper account with the various PDF and POD outlets.
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Apr 25, 2018 16:04
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Apropos of nothing, I vaguely remember a game designer once had a tone deaf suggestion of using the inner city as the setting for a dungeon crawl. I want to say this was from something in the 90's. Does anyone else remember this, or am I going crazy?
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Apr 28, 2018 05:20
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JackMann posted:Apropos of nothing, I vaguely remember a game designer once had a tone deaf suggestion of using the inner city as the setting for a dungeon crawl. I want to say this was from something in the 90's. Does anyone else remember this, or am I going crazy? No, you're not hallucinating. That was either Stephen or Davis Chenault, of Castles & Crusades, suggesting that one might do "modern dungeon crawls" in urban poor areas. I believe they caught a ban from rpg.net for that.
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Apr 28, 2018 05:28
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wouldn't it be more accurate if the dungeon crawl took place in a gated community or private billionaire island or some poo poo? they would actually have things to take, private security and traps and they'd be full of weird, alien monsters
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Apr 28, 2018 06:05
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Serf posted:wouldn't it be more accurate if the dungeon crawl took place in a gated community or private billionaire island or some poo poo? they would actually have things to take, private security and traps and they'd be full of weird, alien monsters I prefer the X-Crawl setting's version, where dungeon-crawling is a competitive Pay-Per-View blood sport industry. It chews up and spits out promising young talent without so much as a "thank you" and runs on sheer consumerism. Just like real sports.
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Apr 28, 2018 06:40
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JackMann posted:Apropos of nothing, I vaguely remember a game designer once had a tone deaf suggestion of using the inner city as the setting for a dungeon crawl. I want to say this was from something in the 90's. Does anyone else remember this, or am I going crazy? I'm pretty sure that was just the dude trying to do a satire, and trying to make the point that a bunch of adventurers going into an encampment and killing all the orcs and goblins they can find was also a hosed up thing to do. I'm not sure if Goblin Slayer would approve though.  Libertad! posted:I prefer the X-Crawl setting's version, where dungeon-crawling is a competitive Pay-Per-View blood sport industry. It chews up and spits out promising young talent without so much as a "thank you" and runs on sheer consumerism. Just like real sports. It was also a televised LARPing deathmatch run by God-Emperor Ronald Reagan.
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Apr 28, 2018 06:42
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It's nice that goblin slayer came along to perfectly demonstrate what I mean when I say a piece of media is for violent middle school boys.
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Apr 28, 2018 07:09
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Bedlamdan posted:I'm pretty sure that was just the dude trying to do a satire, and trying to make the point that a bunch of adventurers going into an encampment and killing all the orcs and goblins they can find was also a hosed up thing to do. I think you're thinking of Violence, which set the game of "go into a place and kill everyone/take everything" into the modern age to point up how hosed up it was. If I remember correctly, there were locations/stats of wealthier people included so it wasn't just "going into the poorer parts of cities and killing the people there would be a rad dungeon crawl!" which is what it sounds like the dude in JackMann's post was advocating.
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Apr 28, 2018 07:13
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Terrible Opinions posted:It's nice that goblin slayer came along to perfectly demonstrate what I mean when I say a piece of media is for violent middle school boys. Middle school boys should not be reading Goblin Slayer, or Berserk. Heliotrope posted:I think you're thinking of Violence, which set the game of "go into a place and kill everyone/take everything" into the modern age to point up how hosed up it was. If I remember correctly, there were locations/stats of wealthier people included so it wasn't just "going into the poorer parts of cities and killing the people there would be a rad dungeon crawl!" which is what it sounds like the dude in JackMann's post was advocating. Yeah, I definitely remember a guy making an rpg set in modern times but framed just like a dungeon crawl. I think that might be it.
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Apr 28, 2018 07:48
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Bedlamdan posted:Middle school boys should not be reading Goblin Slayer,
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Apr 28, 2018 07:50
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Terrible Opinions posted:They absolutely shouldn't be, but they are also literally the only people it could possibly appeal to. Well them and adults who haven't grown since middle school. *nods* I would probably also put Devilman: Crybaby on that list.
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Apr 28, 2018 08:14
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Serf posted:wouldn't it be more accurate if the dungeon crawl took place in a gated community or private billionaire island or some poo poo? they would actually have things to take, private security and traps and they'd be full of weird, alien monsters
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Apr 28, 2018 09:39
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Terrible Opinions posted:They absolutely shouldn't be, but they are also literally the only people it could possibly appeal to. Well them and adults who haven't grown since middle school. That series loving annoyed me because it constantly does the "Here's a world that fills all these tropes uncritically! And here's why all these people are WRONG DUMB IDIOTS who're ALL GOING TO DIE" thing. quite beyond it being ultraviolent trash. If you're going to try and make A Statement about media it's best to actually have a fuckin' point.
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Apr 28, 2018 10:43
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Terrible Opinions posted:They absolutely shouldn't be, but they are also literally the only people it could possibly appeal to. Well them and adults who haven't grown since middle school. Terrible Opinions.
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Apr 28, 2018 11:42
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Heliotrope posted:I think you're thinking of Violence, which set the game of "go into a place and kill everyone/take everything" into the modern age to point up how hosed up it was. If I remember correctly, there were locations/stats of wealthier people included so it wasn't just "going into the poorer parts of cities and killing the people there would be a rad dungeon crawl!" which is what it sounds like the dude in JackMann's post was advocating. To be fair, Violence was an overt parody of 90s grimness, sensationalist marketing, and dungeon crawls in general, and it wasn't ever really meant to be played. James Wallis called it the Modest Proposal of RPGs, which is pretty apt.
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Serf posted:wouldn't it be more accurate if the dungeon crawl took place in a gated community or private billionaire island or some poo poo? they would actually have things to take, private security and traps and they'd be full of weird, alien monsters You know what has labyrinthine corridors, multiple levels, lots of esoteric equipment to plunder, and a hierarchical organization of monsters? The Pentagon That's my new SOTDL hack: Shadows of the Defense Lanyards
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Apr 28, 2018 14:26
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Also, hospitals.
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Apr 28, 2018 15:14
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gradenko_2000 posted:You know what has labyrinthine corridors, multiple levels, lots of esoteric equipment to plunder, and a hierarchical organization of monsters? The Pentagon my group once did a whole Delta Green story set inside the Pentagon. It makes a genuinely good setting for a kinda sneaky/weird exploration thing.
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Apr 28, 2018 15:16
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The whole “dungeon crawls in urban areas” thing points to how framing, context, the willingness to make an actual statement instead of constant waffling, and an ounce of basic awareness can make the same basic concept either an interesting, worthy game or a piece of offensive drivel.Bedlamdan posted:*nods* I would probably also put Devilman: Crybaby on that list.
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Apr 28, 2018 16:21
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Urbex would be a real solid place to start for a game, with traps largely replaced by architectural instability, old needles and heavy poo poo falling over.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:The whole “dungeon crawls in urban areas” thing points to how framing, context, the willingness to make an actual statement instead of constant waffling, and an ounce of basic awareness can make the same basic concept either an interesting, worthy game or a piece of offensive drivel. Serf posted:wouldn't it be more accurate if the dungeon crawl took place in a gated community or private billionaire island or some poo poo? they would actually have things to take, private security and traps and they'd be full of weird, alien monsters A dungeon crawl at heart is an alternate universe take on a heist.
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JackMann posted:Apropos of nothing, I vaguely remember a game designer once had a tone deaf suggestion of using the inner city as the setting for a dungeon crawl. I want to say this was from something in the 90's. Does anyone else remember this, or am I going crazy? Isn't that the plot of The Warriors?
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Isn't that the plot of The Warriors? Not really a dungeon crawl. The Warriors weren't stealing the Baseball Furies bats to sell back on Coney Island or anything.
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Apr 28, 2018 23:11
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Isn't that the plot of The Warriors?
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Apr 28, 2018 23:23
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Bedlamdan continuing their streak of being wrong about literally everything. Cryman: Devilbaby
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Really, it’s not even that Crybaby is bad, it’s just that when you see someone get devoured alive by a vagina monster in the first episode, you really know what you’re getting into if you keep watching.
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Just like how the goblin slayer intro is all about goblins raping nubile female adventures before getting slaughtered by the main character. It takes a certain type of reader to make it past those chapters. I wonder if it's possible to convert John Company into a RPG. As a board game, John Company is a bit too random and too fragile for me. But it generates some amazing role-play experiences like so: BBG review posted:One of your family members is a company veteran, granted control of the Madras Presidency. This posting comes with a number of responsibilities, such as the security of certain trade partners in India, oversight over the ships and goods that will hopefully turn a profit there, and command over one of the company’s three armies.
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ProfessorCirno posted:A dungeon crawl at heart is an alternate universe take on a heist. "A dungeon crawl is just a badly planned heist" is the explicit premise of the section of the Cortex Plus Hacker's Guide for using the Leverage/Cortex Action ruleset to run the dungeon fantasy genre.
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golden bubble posted:Just like how the goblin slayer intro is all about goblins raping nubile female adventures before getting slaughtered by the main character. It takes a certain type of reader to make it past those chapters. In all cases it all amounts to cheap shock value designed to be appalling or disturbing. Could they get away with leaving things implied or using something less gratuitous or edgy? Yeah, totally! I love Berserk but I’m never going to recommend it to people who are sensitive about this kind of thing. I felt that reading Berserk was often a difficult and somewhat scarring experience, and I still admire it a lot. The most I can say as that at least it’s all played as something disgusting and negative. Now contrast all that to stuff like Re:Monster where the protagonist does the exact same things as the monsters in Goblin Slayer, but for some reason is supposed to be the good guy. Which is why Goblin Slayer vs. Re:Monster is a good concept for a crossover, at least.
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