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spit on my clit posted:there's huge problems with the US police and we need to treat our cops as any other US citizen, and not let them be exempt from having to follow any laws. there should also not be city-wide riots where people pillage and wreck everything around them with the excuse of "a man died." Nobody should get a free pass to destroy their town, or steal from anyone or any establishment. we must convict cops that murder the people they are supposed to protect. The reason those riots happen is because the cops aren't convicted
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The thing is though that any amount of riots aren't going to fix that. It's an understandable reaction, but not a productive one.
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Which gets to my unpopular opinion: Unions are poo poo, but public sector unions are a special breed of poo poo. Universally all these bad cops are protected by the union. Information about the poo poo acts of bad cops are hidden from the press by the union. Any reform is met with intense backlash from the union and all other public sector unions.
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Apr 30, 2018 17:49
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We should have designated "towns" filled with gas stations and mom and pop stores specifically designed for people to riot in. Then, whenever a cop kills a kid, someone just has to file the correct paperwork to get issued a "riot permit" and then bus everyone to the riot town to blow off steam.
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Apr 30, 2018 17:58
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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang posted:Which gets to my unpopular opinion: Unions are poo poo, but public sector unions are a special breed of poo poo. Universally all these bad cops are protected by the union. Information about the poo poo acts of bad cops are hidden from the press by the union. Any reform is met with intense backlash from the union and all other public sector unions. I agree especially regarding the police union. Unions should protect their members from unfair treatment from their employers, not obstruct criminal investigations into them. Also internal affairs cops don't deserve nearly the bad reputation they have among other cops and their powers should be expanded immensely if the police ever want to solve their problems. The way things are the IA cops seem to assist in obstructing their own investigations because they don't want to be known as the cop who put another cop in prison which would put their career in jeapordy.
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Solice Kirsk posted:We should have designated "towns" filled with gas stations and mom and pop stores specifically designed for people to riot in. Then, whenever a cop kills a kid, someone just has to file the correct paperwork to get issued a "riot permit" and then bus everyone to the riot town to blow off steam. I was thinking about the same thing kind of. Like a theme park where you and a group of friends can set things on fire and blow poo poo up for a fee and a signature on a liability waiver.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I was thinking about the same thing kind of. Like a theme park where you and a group of friends can set things on fire and blow poo poo up for a fee and a signature on a liability waiver. That's literally the place in Pinocchio where little boys turn into donkies.
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I love Westworld. If a prison of our own sins does not exist, then it is necessary to invent one
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Solice Kirsk posted:That's literally the place in Pinocchio where little boys turn into donkies. Sounds pretty nice but if I pay extra can I skip the whole donkey part?
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“Riots” won the civil rights movement. Never mind that the difference between a “protest” and a “riot” relies more on media coverage and police response than it does the actual actions or causes of those involved. We have this weird idea now that a Good protest is just people politely standing aside and singing kumbaya. Reality is that the strength of protests, riots, strikes, etc is that they hurt. “Make a change or this will continue.” I’m not saying the poor sap who owns the corner store that got a brick thrown through it is to blame, but he’ll be fine. Also unions are good, but yeah the police unions specifically suck. By becoming a police officer you accept a different standard of scrutiny. You accept risk because your duty is to protect and serve your commnity. Your life, indeed, matters less. That is the heroism that (should) be associated with being an officer. Edgar Allen Ho has a new favorite as of 18:26 on Apr 30, 2018 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:“Riots” won the civil rights movement. Not that your larger point is exactly wrong, but he probably won't be.
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I think the difference between then and now though is that our police in major cities are so much more advanced than they were back then and are basically entirely militarized and capable of shutting down any riot whenever they want to. The riots aren't hurting them, they are only hurting the community. You might think smashing up a CVS hurts the company's bottom line, but the reality is one store is nothing to companies that big.
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Apr 30, 2018 18:21
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Just give the CVS employees rifles
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Mu Zeta posted:Just give the CVS employees rifles Been known to work: 
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a cop shooting an innocent person is a crime so far worse than some shop windows getting smashed up, the only reason they're ever equated is to create a false "both sides" narrative that excuses the cops. And when people say like, "it's understandable but not productive" like they got some fuckin five point plan for guaranteed social change. "Oh jeez, people who are basically an occupied population and live in fear of some loving cop destroying your life or murdering you, you aren't doing political action right. You vote for Democrats every two years and write letters to the editor. That's what I do and I don't have any problems"
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I think the difference between then and now though is that our police in major cities are so much more advanced than they were back then and are basically entirely militarized and capable of shutting down any riot whenever they want to. The riots aren't hurting them, they are only hurting the community. You might think smashing up a CVS hurts the company's bottom line, but the reality is one store is nothing to companies that big. The community being hurt is part of the point. Riots are literally a mass of people retaliating against a polity for neglecting them. They happen when people are backed into a point where the only chance to be heard is through violence. Also, I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is the whitest opinion in the thread: Solice Kirsk posted:We should have designated "towns" filled with gas stations and mom and pop stores specifically designed for people to riot in. Then, whenever a cop kills a kid, someone just has to file the correct paperwork to get issued a "riot permit" and then bus everyone to the riot town to blow off steam.
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shooting innocent people is bad, rioting is also bad. if the riots ever solved anything, we wouldnt keep having riots because these innocent people wouldn't keep getting killed
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Mu Zeta posted:Just give the CVS employees rifles loving lol if you think CVS employees would defend the store This whole page is just a bunch of sheltered libs who don't want to comfront the ugly reality of their society
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spit on my clit posted:shooting innocent people is bad, rioting is also bad. if the riots ever solved anything, we wouldnt keep having riots because these innocent people wouldn't keep getting killed In the real world we don't get to just throw everything into two simple piles labeled "good" and "bad". When a riot happens, that's bad, but a riot is always the symptom of a problem, usually that the needs of a large group of people are being ignored. The riot itself is not the problem, it never just crops up out of nowhere. The shooting of innocent people by police IS a problem in and of itself. Riots don't exist in a vacuum, you don't get to say "that's not a productive way to solve the problem", when you're talking about a problem that's being ignored by all the people that have the power to solve it.
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MizPiz posted:The community being hurt is part of the point. Riots are literally a mass of people retaliating against a polity for neglecting them. They happen when people are backed into a point where the only chance to be heard is through violence. I just think if your issue is with the cops, you should be attacking the cops and politicians, not local business owners. Does ruining someone's livelihood who probably even agrees with you make cops and politicians stop doing what they do? No, it just hurts people who have very little to do with it.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I think the difference between then and now though is that our police in major cities are so much more advanced than they were back then and are basically entirely militarized and capable of shutting down any riot whenever they want to. The riots aren't hurting them, they are only hurting the community. spit on my clit posted:if the riots ever solved anything, we wouldnt keep having riots yeah I eat rear end posted:I just think if your issue is with the cops, you should be attacking the cops
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Tiggum posted:"If ibuprofen ever solved anything we wouldn't keep having headaches." you're equating murder to a headache people are more than a headache
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If they don't riot, no one ever listens to anyone from Sandtown-Winchester.
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It's weird but advantageous that there are more ways to kill a person than to kill a headache
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Tiggum posted:That's the whole point. How would attacking the police work? The problem is political. The effectiveness of rioting is that the people in charge are forced to instigate change because it's the only way to stop the riots. Put your money where your mouth is. Everyone talks about wanting dead cops, so....do that instead of meaningless gestures? I don't support killing cops, but at least be honest to your ideology. If you want all "pigs" to die, then don't beat around the bush, do it. But they won't, because they aren't convicted to their beliefs enough to go to prison/die for it.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Put your money where your mouth is. Everyone talks about wanting dead cops, so....do that instead of meaningless gestures? I don't support killing cops, but at least be honest to your ideology. If you want all "pigs" to die, then don't beat around the bush, do it. Oh my god
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gleebster posted:If they don't riot, no one ever listens to anyone from Sandtown-Winchester. if they do riot, people will look at the people in that town and say "glad im not there"
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I just think if your issue is with the cops, you should be attacking the cops and politicians, not local business owners. Does ruining someone's livelihood who probably even agrees with you make cops and politicians stop doing what they do? No, it just hurts people who have very little to do with it. Most of these riots take place because of problems that are much more important than a storefront or some merchandise. These are "our society is sick and it needs to be burned down to the foundation and rebuilt" kind of problems. When it has to happen, it's a bad thing, but it's bad because of what led the community to that point, not the act itself. Now, I graduated from a college where entitled white kids rioted because we lost a basketball game so obviously every circumstance isn't exactly the same.
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Basebf555 posted:Most of these riots take place because of problems that are much more important than a storefront or some merchandise. These are "our society is sick and it needs to be burned down to the foundation and rebuilt" kind of problems. When it has to happen, it's a bad thing, but it's bad because of what led the community to that point, not the act itself. In the real world, all riots are are an excuse for the local police department to request a bigger budget.
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people dont care about the reason for the riot, all they want is to loot and burn poo poo. people come from out of town, even from different states just to participate in this crap. they dont care about whoever died or whoevers football team lost, it's all the same to them.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Put your money where your mouth is. Everyone talks about wanting dead cops, so....do that instead of meaningless gestures? I don't support killing cops, but at least be honest to your ideology. If you want all "pigs" to die, then don't beat around the bush, do it. Jastiger was less embarrassing than this
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jastiger was less embarrassing than this Let's not get crazy here.
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I'm a pacifist but if your first interaction with a truly lovely situation and the poo poo that gave rise to it is when a riot has broken out, your thoughts on the subject are too drat late.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Jastiger was less embarrassing than this Explain how a riot where you loot businesses and destroy private property hurts the police in any way and doesn't just give them more fuel to demand more funding and become even more armed.
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“Instead of rioting why don’t you just shoot a cop?”
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Basebf555 posted:Most of these riots take place because of problems that are much more important than a storefront or some merchandise. These are "our society is sick and it needs to be burned down to the foundation and rebuilt" kind of problems. When it has to happen, it's a bad thing, but it's bad because of what led the community to that point, not the act itself. I'm going to have to say that this post is ridiculous. Setting aside how literally every society ever has had riots and unrest, and the complete lack of sympathy for people who get caught up in violent clashes beyond their control; you are literally calling for the collapse of society.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Explain how a riot where you loot businesses and destroy private property hurts the police in any way and doesn't just give them more fuel to demand more funding and become even more armed. The goal isn't to "hurt the police" you loving dullard
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Henchman of Santa posted:The goal isn't to "hurt the police" you loving dullard yeah its to take all the poo poo you can amongst the chaos
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Rioters are scum and should be shot by local businesses.
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Martin Luther King Jr. posted:Now I wanted to say something about the fact that we have lived over these last two or three summers with agony and we have seen our cities going up in flames. And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.
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